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ceyriot Minmatar Crimson Rebellion	Posted - 2008.02.08 00:56:00 - [31] Originally by: HydroSan Originally by: ceyriot tbh, IF bob loses delve, IF they disband after that and don't stage a comeback, im saying Tri. Tri has class, skill, and is actually good at PvP. CVA would like to say a word about that. Tri brings it. admittedly, they just lost to SMASH a couple hours ago, but it was another slidshow with a cyno jammer, and tri's reinforcements arrived in the middle of the show. Sig removed. Political references are not permitted in signatures. If you would like further details please email [email protected]. ~Saint
Muff Joos Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.08 02:11:00 - [32] Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 07/02/2008 19:21:49 The way BoB is fighting, they may yet hold their space, and every day they stay alive increases their odds of suvival. Based on the massive destruction taking place it may take multiple trillions of isk to kick them out of Delve in what is looking to be a capital ship and POS war of attrition. But then again, maybe not, the enemies against them might just be too much. I am wondering though, what would happen if all the knowledge, skills and abilities of BoB were suddenly dispersed among the alliances of EvE. I am not referring to the BoB leadership, who I always expect to stay together along with many of their core players, but the rank and file grunts and their FC's, their logistics people and so on. I have to think that there will be no place for these people in the South. Where will they go, what will they do? (WoW, and Jita don't count as answers) *edit removed "shattered" from title They will likely end up in LOVEU.
Dog Solitude Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.08 02:33:00 - [33] Edited by: Dog Solitude on 08/02/2008 02:34:04 Originally by: Re Mi Where will they go, what will they do? (WoW, and Jita don't count as answers) Delve. /edit: no wait, period basis. /edit Ok, period basis AND Delve.
SaorAlba 0mega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.02.08 03:07:00 - [34] Originally by: ceyriot tbh, IF bob loses delve, IF they disband after that and don't stage a comeback, im saying Tri. Tri has class, skill, and is actually good at PvP. You can't nano up capitals m8, it just don't work for ya. Don't compare roaming with capital warfare. We all know how there campain ended up South. On topic I don't think BOD will be allowed to settle anywhere else. My guess is that they fall back to Fountain. A good move would be to take over the role of MC and do contract's. MC at that time will be busy defending their space you see, so they can fill the gap.
Re Mi Caldari Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.02.08 06:01:00 - [35] Originally by: HydroSan Originally by: ceyriot tbh, IF bob loses delve, IF they disband after that and don't stage a comeback, im saying Tri. Tri has class, skill, and is actually good at PvP. CVA would like to say a word about that. Now this is a nice post, the kind any Goon can be proud of. I was getting worried you all were losing your edge. Now that you mention CVA though, as I recall a certain BoB leader is Amarr. Where would he go? Hmmmmm..... Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
ceyriot Minmatar Crimson Rebellion	Posted - 2008.02.08 06:09:00 - [36] Originally by: SaorAlba Originally by: ceyriot tbh, IF bob loses delve, IF they disband after that and don't stage a comeback, im saying Tri. Tri has class, skill, and is actually good at PvP. You can't nano up capitals m8, it just don't work for ya. Don't compare roaming with capital warfare. We all know how there campain ended up South. On topic I don't think BOD will be allowed to settle anywhere else. My guess is that they fall back to Fountain. A good move would be to take over the role of MC and do contract's. MC at that time will be busy defending their space you see, so they can fill the gap. they don't need to nano caps, if they use a cyno jammer enough, or use their own caps, because they DO have them. Sig removed. Political references are not permitted in signatures. If you would like further details please email [email protected]. ~Saint
Bonefish O'Hallahan GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.02.08 07:01:00 - [37] bob is elite #1 quote this if you're down
Bonefish O'Hallahan GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.02.08 07:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Bonefish O'Hallahan bob is elite #1 quote this if you're down **** wrong alt
Scrouge MacDac	Posted - 2008.02.08 09:02:00 - [39] BoB spotted in PotBS. So no Jita for BoB, they are going to change EvE on PotBS. Thats why they cant get more ppl to fight, they just started to... I think they planed it in 19......
KeratinBoy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.08 11:02:00 - [40] Originally by: Re Mi I do not buy what you are saying. And I think you are missing the point really. Goon propaganda aside, BoB has held on to their space surprisingly well considering how outnumbered they are. Most alliances in a similar situation would have been completely crushed. I disagree. POS shotting and waiting on timers, like skills in this game, takes time. We are in Delve now, systematically putting things to the sword. Quote: I also think you are missing the point of the post. BoB does have expertise in the arenas of PvP and logistics that is as good as anyone in the game. You of course dispute that, but the fact you do not own Delve proves otherwise. They also have the knowledge, skills and organizational ability to run a major war, which is self evident. Those skills would be passed on to other alliances if BoB were to be shattered. They won't simply dissipate. People talk about BoB as a roving gang wreaking havok. They do not talk about all the Northern alliances gaining BoB logistics and capital expertise and integrating that into their alliances as they bring on former BoB FC's and pvpers. Such a move could make them vastly stronger because they would gain tremendous leadership talent and people who understand teamwork and how to best make use of it. Killing BoB could create multiple mini-BoBs, all of them with the potential to grow into something spectacular. Teamwork? BoB left allies to die, where's the teamwork? Molle's had to ,er, remonstrate with the rank and file to bring battleships when he says bring battleships. Members aren't logging in to help other members bust out of systems we camp. What teamwork is that? Luckyduck's speech to RISE, fantastic leadership talent there. Finally, BoB as a "roving gang wreaking havoc"? Er, we didn't want that territory anyway? Ghostreaving Wolfpacks, anyone?
Re Mi Caldari Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.02.08 13:16:00 - [41] Edited by: Re Mi on 08/02/2008 13:19:08 Originally by: KeratinBoy I disagree. POS shotting and waiting on timers, like skills in this game, takes time. We are in Delve now, systematically putting things to the sword.... ...Teamwork? BoB left allies to die, where's the teamwork? Molle's had to ,er, remonstrate with the rank and file to bring battleships when he says bring battleships. Members aren't logging in to help other members bust out of systems we camp. What teamwork is that? Luckyduck's speech to RISE, fantastic leadership talent there. Finally, BoB as a "roving gang wreaking havoc"? Er, we didn't want that territory anyway? Ghostreaving Wolfpacks, anyone? Sloppy, damn sloppy. Lacks humor and not enough burn to light a 15 watt light bulb. exhasperated Try again. Maybe a serious post this time? That might work. So all BoB are garbage, don't use teamwork, and don't know how to pvp, and you are flying through Delve like a stroll in the park, is that what you are saying? That doesn't seem credible to me. Silly actually. For whom the bell trolls, it trolls for you! Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Madchen Amick	Posted - 2008.02.08 14:07:00 - [42] Edited by: Madchen Amick on 08/02/2008 14:07:45 nm.
KeratinBoy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.08 14:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 08/02/2008 13:19:08 Sloppy, damn sloppy. Lacks humor and not enough burn to light a 15 watt light bulb. exhasperated Try again. Maybe a serious post this time? That might work. So all BoB are garbage, don't use teamwork, and don't know how to pvp, and you are flying through Delve like a stroll in the park, is that what you are saying? That doesn't seem credible to me. Silly actually. For whom the bell trolls, it trolls for you! As you may have noticed in this conflict, moving the goalposts when things don't go your way doesn't work very well. Considering the way you post, I presume you are capable enough in English to understand what I posted and are just being obnoxiously obtuse for lack of any quality rebuttal. Do you have anything concrete to riposte with or are you just chestbeating hurfdurf in the hopes that someone important is drunk enough to believe you?
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.02.08 14:17:00 - [44] BoB are strong because they have a strong core. So.....
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Mercenary Services	Posted - 2008.02.08 14:29:00 - [45] Originally by: sakana BoB are strong because they have a strong core. So..... BoB is strong because they actualy let the fighting do the talking. Instead of talking about the fighting Quote: CCP Chronotis Amarr boost is coming in a future dev blog, lets keep this on topic
7sunami Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.08 14:37:00 - [46] Edited by: 7sunami on 08/02/2008 14:45:05 Why BoB is losing, BoB are devs, they cheat, BoB sucks at pvp, K:D ratio K:D ratio, My indepth one line analysis why BoB is losing, BoB titan dies for the nth time or maybe not. ADD: What's next, after BOB is dead Whats up with these spammy topics? Same thing everyday :)
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.08 14:53:00 - [47] Originally by: 7sunami Edited by: 7sunami on 08/02/2008 14:45:05 Why BoB is losing, BoB are devs, they cheat, BoB sucks at pvp, K:D ratio K:D ratio, My indepth one line analysis why BoB is losing, BoB titan dies for the nth time or maybe not. ADD: What's next, after BOB is dead Whats up with these spammy topics? Same thing everyday :) it's cus we're dead. Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal
Maladora GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.08 15:01:00 - [48] Originally by: ceyriot Tri brings it. admittedly, they just lost to SMASH a couple hours ago, hehehhehee. this is pretty funny
Re Mi Caldari Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.02.08 15:14:00 - [49] Originally by: KeratinBoy As you may have noticed in this conflict, moving the goalposts when things don't go your way doesn't work very well. Considering the way you post, I presume you are capable enough in English to understand what I posted and are just being obnoxiously obtuse for lack of any quality rebuttal. Do you have anything concrete to riposte with or are you just chestbeating hurfdurf in the hopes that someone important is drunk enough to believe you? Don't get all emo. As the CAOD official goalpost mover it is only my job. Its not personal. BTW, SirMolle thanked me personally for moving the goalposts. Seriously, the OP assumes the possibility that BoB breaks up, which in my opinion would be an epic event for EvE, and tries to predict how that will affect different alliances as all those pvpers. Your response is "we are l33t and ownz Delve, wtf BoB lusers, the awesome". Who cares TBH, thats so 2007. You gave zero information in your post and were off topic. What do you expect? Yes, I smacked you in the face, but you deserved it. As a Goon, I demand better trolls from you from now on. I know you can do better, that last one was pathetic. I have faith in you, try again. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Caldari Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.02.08 15:26:00 - [50] Originally by: 7sunami Edited by: 7sunami on 08/02/2008 14:45:05 ADD: What's next, after BOB is dead Sigh Thats the point of the OP. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Pax Uranus Sofa.Kingdom	Posted - 2008.02.08 15:32:00 - [51] Originally by: Re Mi Originally by: Jhyme I don't think there will be multiple mini-BoBs. It's more likely that whatever is left will stay together. I also think there will be a lot of auctions of high sp characters, and we'll see many former BoB pilots losing their capital ships in silly ways because they're piloted by the next wave of scius. How many FC's does it take to train up and make a fleet work? Answer: One. How many logistics people does it take to train up a good team? Answer: One. Now throw several hundred of those people out into the world of EvE. Some of them are bound to land in a PvP alliances where they will be used to maximum effect. Even if 2/3 of BoB quits EvE, the knowledge base they gained from being in BoB will endure in the remaining 1/3. Yes, I'm sure there are hundreds and hundreds of this caliber leader in BoB Frankly this sounds more like a relatively new BoB grunt trying to perform some perception inroads work before jumping ship and selling himself by saying "Hay I was in BoB so I must be uber and you are stupid not to hire my leetness!" The number of true leaders, catalysts and difference-makers in Eve is actually pretty small. This is why you tend to hear the same names repeated over and over again, and not a bunch of clamoring for the pipe dream glories of Grunt #106975. Or maybe I just got trolled.
KeratinBoy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.08 15:32:00 - [52] Originally by: Re Mi Seriously, the OP assumes the possibility that BoB breaks up, which in my opinion would be an epic event for EvE, and tries to predict how that will affect different alliances as all those pvpers. Your response is "we are l33t and ownz Delve, wtf BoB lusers, the awesome". Who cares TBH, thats so 2007. You gave zero information in your post and were off topic. What do you expect? Yes, I smacked you in the face, but you deserved it. As a Goon, I demand better trolls from you from now on. I know you can do better, that last one was pathetic. I have faith in you, try again. You been at the ****** sandwiches? Your OP, at best, reads like a pre-emptive feeler for BoB members to advertise their wares to prospective interested corps/alliances. You now seem reduced to repeating the thrust of my remarks back at me like I'm magically going to fall for it. You brought up their experience and L33TN355, which is primarily based on (successful) propaganda. Until the last hamster dies under the cruel lash of it's CCP oppressors and after, there will be people who believe all the folderol about BoB's capabilities. If anyone reading this is one of those, please evemail me as I have some magic beans you'd be interested in.
Re Mi Caldari Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.02.08 15:43:00 - [53] Originally by: KeratinBoy You been at the ****** sandwiches? Your OP, at best, reads like a pre-emptive feeler for BoB members to advertise their wares to prospective interested corps/alliances. You now seem reduced to repeating the thrust of my remarks back at me like I'm magically going to fall for it. You brought up their experience and L33TN355, which is primarily based on (successful) propaganda. Until the last hamster dies under the cruel lash of it's CCP oppressors and after, there will be people who believe all the folderol about BoB's capabilities. If anyone reading this is one of those, please evemail me as I have some magic beans you'd be interested in. Admittedly, its not the best post I have written while bored at work, but you actually have it wrong. I am using the Goon posting system. Seriously? You sell magic beans? Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.08 15:49:00 - [54] Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: 7sunami Edited by: 7sunami on 08/02/2008 14:45:05 Why BoB is losing, BoB are devs, they cheat, BoB sucks at pvp, K:D ratio K:D ratio, My indepth one line analysis why BoB is losing, BoB titan dies for the nth time or maybe not. ADD: What's next, after BOB is dead Whats up with these spammy topics? Same thing everyday :) it's cus we're dead. its official bob is dead!!!!!
Gloomy Gus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.08 16:41:00 - [55] Originally by: Re Mi Where will they go, what will they do? Actually we're already in negotiation to rent them some space for carebearing in Delve true story Originally by: JakeNoble well id just like to say kilz is an epic****got plz
KeratinBoy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.08 16:44:00 - [56] Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 08/02/2008 15:49:38 Admittedly, its not the best post I have written while bored at work, but you actually have it wrong. I am abusing the Goon posting system. Seriously? You sell magic beans? Hahaha, I'm bored, too. (Is it a prerequisite for posting here? :iiam: ) Things have improved mightily with a cup of tea and some jaffa cakes, though. I do indeed have magic beans, six of them. Bids start at 50 million per.
7sunami Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Scrouge MacDac BoB spotted in PotBS. So no Jita for BoB, they are going to change EvE on PotBS. Thats why they cant get more ppl to fight, they just started to... I think they planed it in 19...... Newflash: BoB spotted in Jita. Could it be that BoB is looking for a new home? Jita residents not happy: "You're not welcomed here. You bring lag". Jita residents hopes BoB wins war: "Lag some other system" \0/
Kilostream Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.08 18:19:00 - [58] Originally by: Re Mi ....Where will they go, what will they do?.... They will go to 'places' and they will do 'stuff'. BoB, like anyone else has it's dead wood and hangers-on, they will desert the sinking ship and go wherever, doesn't matter really - they're dead wood and hangers-on. For the rest of them - well, it depends on whether they disband or not, I guess. The North burned last year, and RZR lost all it's space, but it hung on and did not break up, whereas D2 disbanded - so you can't tell in advance what will happen exactly. However, if BoB do disband, it's pilots are not suddenly going to align with the coalition - I think it would be fair to expect another BoB-like organisation to emerge. If they do not disband, with the dead wood cut out I think a somewhat leaner BoB will emerge anyway. As for what they will do - again difficult to say - I doubt they would go for large-scale territory holding right off the bat, more likely a period of consolidation, relaxing, and enjoying the freedom of being truly mobile again. I know one of the unexpected pleasures of losing all our space last year was the freedom to mothball the cap fleet, jump into little HAC squads or whatever and just go out and see what mischief we could get ourselves into. The other thing of course is that it also depends on what happens to the coalition itself - I know we all get called "bandwagonners" and whatnot, but the truth is, a lot of people at odds with each other realised they had a common goal - everyone hates BoB because they are sneering, condescending gbshtes that needed kncking down a peg or two. The coalition was formed for one reason only - if that reason no longer existed...then the coalition would no longer have a reason to exist - I think a lot of standings would get reset, and things would become a lot more fractious for a while. Basically, it's all up in the air, but I think the one thing you can safely predict won't be happening is everyone stopping fighing and living happily ever after!
Spoon Thumb Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.09 00:39:00 - [59] You know maybe some would just go off and have some fun, not care necessarily care about trying to join the alliance with the best rep or stroll in some place and say "I'm exBoB, follow me nubs" Also there are pleanty of things to do in Eve and I expect a bunch will probably go find something different to do for a while. Doubtless they all have alts in various corps all around Eve, so you'll just see the switch from focus on BoB to whatever the alt corp is doing. You've got to be a fairly sad person to have zero friends and contacts whilst you spend all that time grinding out missions or whatever for isk. Don't underestimate the pulling power of playing with people you know vs. some massive faceless alliance who are probably going to look on you with suspicion and all the baggage associated with the BoB tag Also don't expect immediate flooding of corps and alliances with uber pvpers. After spending a long time in BoB, a lot of members are going to think "Hey, you know what? I'll take my time and find a really good corp or look around for something a bit different, get to know people before jumping straight in again" Or maybe not. Still those are the things I'd have in the back of my mind as a member of BoB. Thinking long term "what if" is also not a sign of imminent defeat or everyone jumping ship, but a natural reaction to the very real possibility that Bob are pushed out of Delve. But it is a maybe, and I'm sure they're not all going to give up now, having come so far Khaldari khanidpublic: RP channel for Kingdom loyalists Recruiting
Re Mi Caldari Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.02.09 04:20:00 - [60] I guess I am mostly in agreement with the two posts above. Great posts both. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation

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