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steveid
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Posted - 2008.02.07 20:53:00 -
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I see a lot of these threads that look at things CCP could or should do and the trouble with them all is if you build a system people will get around it.
Petitions will be the equivilant of stopping the drugs trade with policemen. It wont work. No matter how hard CCP works to combat the ISK trade they will only be able to stem the flow.
You want a method that will work?
1) Get rid of NPC corps for players over a month old. autoforce them into their own 1 man corp if they dont do it on their own, but allow them to keep the NPC corp chat if they want to.
2) Make it so that if your corp is war decced and you either leave to another corp or drop back into your 1 man corp then the war deccing party has a full 7 days kill rights on you.
3) Raise the limit of war dec's for corperations. Maybe 5 or 10 dec's allowed, and an infinate amount of war dec's allowed on corps with less than 5 people in them (subject to them affording it).
4) Make cloaking devices very CPU heavy so that anything that doesn't have a bonus on it or isn't capital sized cannot fit it.
Allow the community to police itself. You spot a bunch of macroers, simply war dec them and make their life hell.
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Ricardo Phallus
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Posted - 2008.02.07 20:55:00 -
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Posting in a "How to stop macros thread",
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.02.07 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 07/02/2008 21:05:06
Macros don't cloak, farmers cloak. Macros are kind of on permanent autopilot.
CCP never gave us a lot of details about it, but there were mutterings of introducing killer ore in the Trinity expansion. I think it was called Augumene or Banidine. It would eat through th ships hull or something as long as you had it in the cargohold. The rumor was that regular miners would be able to tell the difference between this ore and veldspar on the overview, but macro programs wouldn't. Macro mining problem solved.
Of course that ore was never introduced so we don't know if that's really what its purpose was. Maybe they never found a way to make it look like Veld to a macro program.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.02.07 21:03:00 -
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This looks a lot less like "how to stop macros" and a lot more like "how to get more targets without suicide ganking."
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Posted - 2008.02.07 21:04:00 -
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you forgot
5) ruin eve
thanks bye
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.07 21:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Tarminic
This looks a lot less like "how to stop macros" and a lot more like "how to get more targets without suicide ganking."
Or a "Let's alienate 37% of the Eve Population" idea. Guess lets punish (and drive away) 1/3 of the eve population because of a couple....
Of course this might also be a "Lets drive off 37% of Eve so that there are fewer people on the servers" idea too...
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Caligulus
Legion of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2008.02.07 22:00:00 -
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Macro's aside for a moment.
It's one thing to be able to war dec a "group" of people or even follow them around dec'ing their corps as they jump ship to a new one. It is an entirely different matter to do this to a single person in a "default" corp where they've essentially surrendered. This moves the the situation from griefing to outright harassment and if I recall correctly that IS against the EULA.
Unfortunately the methods you've proposed open the door wide open for those that would abuse this to simply pick on one single person repeatedly for "****s and giggles".
The answer isn't in mechanical enforcement of the policy as you've identified in your post. The real answer is to make the situation socially unacceptable. Allowing the community to enforce it. If a community as a whole rejects something it is infinitely harder for that something to reside in that community.
So the real question is how do we deal with the toolboxes among us at the community level? Accountability is one methodology and shame is another. However, those particular aspects meaningless in an anonymous environment.
If CCP were to eliminate some of that anonymity (linking alts and the like to a "family" (player)) it would be far easier to socially shun a part time macroer (trade embargo said person).
The ISK selling shops would be a different story. You can't attack them directly as they don't give a damn about the community or their peers. You can however aggressively persecute those who do buy ISK to dry up the market.
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Agif
Templar Republic
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Posted - 2008.02.07 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: steveid
I see a lot of these threads that look at things CCP could or should do and the trouble with them all is if you build a system people will get around it.
Petitions will be the equivilant of stopping the drugs trade with policemen. It wont work. No matter how hard CCP works to combat the ISK trade they will only be able to stem the flow.
You want a method that will work?
1) Get rid of NPC corps for players over a month old. autoforce them into their own 1 man corp if they dont do it on their own, but allow them to keep the NPC corp chat if they want to.
2) Make it so that if your corp is war decced and you either leave to another corp or drop back into your 1 man corp then the war deccing party has a full 7 days kill rights on you.
3) Raise the limit of war dec's for corperations. Maybe 5 or 10 dec's allowed, and an infinate amount of war dec's allowed on corps with less than 5 people in them (subject to them affording it).
4) Make cloaking devices very CPU heavy so that anything that doesn't have a bonus on it or isn't capital sized cannot fit it.
Allow the community to police itself. You spot a bunch of macroers, simply war dec them and make their life hell.
I stopped reading this after i read point 1)
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.07 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
This looks a lot less like "how to stop macros" and a lot more like "how to get more targets without suicide ganking."
This
You totally missed explaining the part about how this would actually be used to stop macro's as opposed to kill everybody else.
If your suggestion was implimented, macro operators would simply recycle their characters every month so that they can stay in NPC corps, while any body else older than a month could be the target of unlimited griefing.
Please retry your suggestion after think about it longer than the time it takes to type it.
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Maraude Fury
Minmatar
Shadow Of The Light
Scorched Earth Directive
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:43:00 -
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Actually your "Random undock confirmation" button wouldn't work, as some of the new macro programs use an image processing program to compare a static picture of a button with the screen, and then move the cursor to the center of that icon no matter where it goes.
This is used in automated sofware installs in some odd industrial applications, as the OS's desktop colors/locations get changed around by the users.
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Lets Burn It All Down
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Wadaya
Caldari
Trailerpark Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:14:00 -
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Jesus, can't we have stickies on Jita, Macros, Isk Sellers, etc. Hard to get anything out of forums when it's the same crap everyday in a new thread about it.
Wad
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:47:00 -
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Why make such a fuss over something that has a solution already built into the game....if they are truely mining unattended
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Suze'Rain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.08 03:49:00 -
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from my experience, nowadays, I see *considerably* more isk farmers that arent "macros" at all, but presumably sweatshop teams with actual players behind the screens.
(I hate to generalise, but my local system in lowsec had 50-odd farmers a day the last month.... except chinese new year, when the population returned to about 6. sad, but true. )
Most of the "solutions" like random button placement, etc, are simply idiotic. Eve's UI is bad enough. Getting rid of npc corps will do nothing but facilitate greifing on thousands of players who are'nt farmers. the Drug analogy is entirely wrong - drugs you nail the dealers, and educate the users. with Isk farming, we need to start nailing the users (the isk buyers) with harsher penalties (Account suspension for first offence, ban for second, perhaps). Eliminate the market, and the Farmers will move on to new games to leech them instead.
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Liliane Woodhead
Intergalactic Charwomen
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Posted - 2008.02.08 04:09:00 -
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A) dont buy isk
B) give macroers all the anti-macroers threads to read
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Metro Trade
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Posted - 2008.02.08 11:28:00 -
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sorry i'm a noob  , does i'm right?
1) Macro : real account used with an external program for mining ore/ice and haul stuff?
2) Farmers : ?? mission runner, 23/24 players in hub mission (i know some "anti-macro who play 23/24 in the same hub") ??
btw i'm totally against isk buying/selling
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.08 12:38:00 -
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Stop Macro's what? Who is Macro? Why does his <something> need to be stopped?
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