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Boma Airaken Spectre Six	Posted - 2008.02.08 06:30:00 - [1] It has come to the attention of the ASM that the Caldari Navy is now exporting Achuran White Song Birds for fun and pleasure, and that Gallentean FON terrorists have been attempting to intercept the shipments, resulting in the death of females of the species. This is a direct affront to Achuran culture and customs. As a result, the ASM has begun a rescue program to ensure that none of these creatures leave Saisio III for frivolous and decadent reasons. Anyone intercepting a shipment of these birds is strongly urged to contact me via NeoCom to negotiate its surrender to the rescue program. Of course, a finders fee will gladly be paid. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.02.08 06:48:00 - [2] I guess I'm a criminal in conservative Achur eyes then, already owning two of them. Oh well, not like it changes anything. I was hated just for existing.
Boma Airaken Spectre Six	Posted - 2008.02.08 06:53:00 - [3] It was a very simple statement of intent to recover as many of the birds as possible from the hands of the Caldari Navy and the Gallentean terrorists Ms. Sakoda. Nobody is calling you a criminal in the eyes of the Achura or asking for any melodrama.
Tigerfish Torpedo Underworld Protection Agency The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.02.08 13:57:00 - [4] Birds? Female of the Species? Sir, it was only a month or two ago that I stormed a large industrial tower within the confines of Concord patrolled space. The tower, which held a great many women and children, was near to destruction when our adversaries decided to pay us for their lives. With such acts of cruelty going on within this universe, who really cares about the lives of some Birds? Tiger, CRMSN.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.08 14:27:00 - [5] If we didn't care about the irrational things, we wouldn't be human.... - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Tigerfish Torpedo Underworld Protection Agency The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.02.08 18:57:00 - [6] Speak for yourself. I'm Caldari, with an Amarrian upbringing. Tiger.
Demetri Slavic Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.02.08 21:17:00 - [7] Wait, what? The Caldari Navy is exporting song birds, since when did the Navy start exporting birds? And then Gallentean Terrorists are attacking Caldari Navy Convoys to retrieve these birds? Do you have some proof to back up these claims Mr Airaken? I'm having some trouble taking your word for them.
Boma Airaken Spectre Six	Posted - 2008.02.08 21:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo Birds? Female of the Species? Sir, it was only a month or two ago that I stormed a large industrial tower within the confines of Concord patrolled space. The tower, which held a great many women and children, was near to destruction when our adversaries decided to pay us for their lives. With such acts of cruelty going on within this universe, who really cares about the lives of some Birds? Tiger, CRMSN. We all place different levels of value on different things depending on their significance to US, Mr. Torpedo. I am not asking anyone to care about the lives of birds, the lives of women, or the lives of children, or even fedos for that matter. What I am doing is making a simple request to take in the birds from those who come accross them due to their very significant place in Achur culture. I am very sorry if this has been difficult for any of you to understand.
Boma Airaken Spectre Six	Posted - 2008.02.08 21:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Demetri Slavic Wait, what? The Caldari Navy is exporting song birds, since when did the Navy start exporting birds? And then Gallentean Terrorists are attacking Caldari Navy Convoys to retrieve these birds? Do you have some proof to back up these claims Mr Airaken? I'm having some trouble taking your word for them. Transcript of an encouter reported to me by an ASM sympathizer: Kiken Yuatakkeimo Caldari Navy Level 1, QL -7 Caldari Navy Assembly Plant, Kamokor The Achuran White Song bird has been sacred to the Achura throughout their recorded history. The creature mates only in the mountains of Saisio III, and naturally is exceedingly rare. Recently, the remnants of the old Achuran government made a gift of two such birds to the State, a male and a female. These particular birds are quite special, in that they have been genetically modified to mate off-planet. This is a matter of tremendous importance for us, from both a diplomatic and an ecological standpoint. Twelve hours ago, the birds were stolen. Gallentean eco-terrorists hijacked the diplomatic courier mid-transit. Now, I don't think anyone ever needs an excuse to gun for the Gallente, but these guys are more worthless than the Federation Navy. The terrorists were last spotted at Kamokor. It's likely they are using a series of acceleration gates to hide the true location of their base. You'll have to approach and activate each acceleration gate you find to progress further to the terrorists' base. Track down the terrorists, and recover the White Song birds.
Tigerfish Torpedo Underworld Protection Agency The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.02.08 21:34:00 - [10] Well, Mr Airaken... If these birds are indeed so special, I will do what's right with them. You said that they were special owing to the way that they can mate off planet, correct? Well, then, it seems fitting that I release them in space, above Thakala III. You needn't bother thanking me for my generosity. Though some financial donation would certainly be appreciated to recruit a man specially able to sweep the deck of my ship following their jettison into space. Just doing my civic duty, you understand. Tiger.
Boma Airaken Spectre Six	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo Well, Mr Airaken... If these birds are indeed so special, I will do what's right with them. You said that they were special owing to the way that they can mate off planet, correct? Well, then, it seems fitting that I release them in space, above Thakala III. You needn't bother thanking me for my generosity. Though some financial donation would certainly be appreciated to recruit a man specially able to sweep the deck of my ship following their jettison into space. Just doing my civic duty, you understand. Tiger. Part of our problem, Mr. Torpedo, is that these birds are in fact genetically altered to mate off planet, which is one of the reasons for the rescue program, in order to keep them confined. If you find any and jettison them in space leaving them to their death, technically we are attaining the same goal, though I strive to avoid something that would be seen as rather atrocious to the Achur.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.09 02:43:00 - [12] Edited by: Stitcher on 09/02/2008 02:44:22 Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo Speak for yourself. I'm Caldari, with an Amarrian upbringing. Tiger. I fail to see how that disqualifies you from being human... My point is that it is human nature to sometimes identify more with the plight of an entirely different species than with the plight of members of our own. Similarly, it is entirely human to bicker about such a statement. We are not the world's most rational creatures, Captain, as your own deliberately controversial statements prove... - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Daelin Blackleaf	Posted - 2008.02.09 02:59:00 - [13] Perhaps Mr Torpedo should have phrased his statement differently and asked why, in the face of all the horrors the cluster has to offer, our own perpetration there-of, and our growing numbness and nihilism we should give a damn about a few birds. Though of course Mr Airaken did mention a finders fee, which may be enough to get a few interested. I also imagine a few traditionalist and loyalist Achura may take issue with the Federations actions... not that getting the people of the State riled at the Federates is much of a challenge.
Tigerfish Torpedo Underworld Protection Agency The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.02.09 04:33:00 - [14] This finders fee wouldn't consist of feather stuffed cushions, I trust? More importantly, what is the price of 'Song Bird' in the more upmarket restaurants these days? Tiger.
Koshmarnaya Akula Ebon Seraph Order of the Black Cross	Posted - 2008.02.09 06:23:00 - [15] I honestly wish you the best in keeping them planetside and returning those that have been taken.
Kathryn Dougans B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.02.09 15:08:00 - [16] The "Friends Of Nature". Hmm, I've encountered them before. They appear to be ideologically opposed to any genetic engineering of creatures. There was an incident I was involved in regarding engineered furriers. As regards to the Achuran White Song Birds, there are several areas of concern. The birds are native to a relatively small habitat on Saisio III. This makes them vulnerable to ecological mishaps, disease, unlucky bad weather and so forth. This makes conservation of their habitat important to maintain the population. This would place constraints upon developments in the habitats. Obviously, since the birds are so important culturally, then such conservation and protection would be forthcoming. Genetically engineering the birds, such that they can live outside Saisio III, is potentially beneficial in that it makes the population less vulnerable to ecological mishaps. However, there are several potential problems. If the birds are no longer dependant on their specific habitat, then protecting the habitat is less important. This means pressure to develop the area commercially, by non-Achuran interests. White Song Bird theme parks for tourists for example. This may be unacceptable for Achuran culture, although I admit I do not know Achuran culture. Engineering them fundamentally changes the birds. Can they really still be called Achuran White Song Birds? Again, this may be an affront to Achuran culture, as well as whether it is right to alter a wild species out of convenience. The so called "Friends Of Nature" are probably claiming to be acting for the benefit of the Achurans, by abducting the birds and thereby preventing the development of the habitat, or by claiming that g-engineering them is against "nature". However, if they knew anything about effective biodiversity conservation, then they would know that without support and consent from the local people, conservation schemes are ineffective at best, or patronising to the local people, as "experts" tell them how to live their lives. I would say that this is a matter for the Achurans to resolve, and neither the Gallente "Friends of Nature" or the Caldari State have any business being involved.
Jen Oniera Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu	Posted - 2008.02.10 11:52:00 - [17] Edited by: Jen Oniera on 10/02/2008 11:52:37 The point of contention, which appears to have eluded the esteemed protagonists in this debate, is that this is not a matter of economics, genetics or political frictions between our respective factions: the Song Birds are sacred to our peoples and that these exports are occurring is a direct affront to our culture.
Number 17 Caldari COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.02.10 13:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo Speak for yourself. I'm Caldari, with an Amarrian upbringing. Tiger. Clearly you caldari blood is fading Torpedo-Haan, as no real caldari would neglect economic benefit like you are doing. By the way, threatening to kill 2 birds makes you look pathetic. Kuno "Number 17" Raikkoken Director Cold-Wing
Sahriah BloodStone Caldari Underworld Protection Agency The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.02.11 05:15:00 - [19] Your point Miss Oniera contradicts itself. You say these birds are sacred, yet your people genetically mutate the poor creatures to your convenience. If your 'God' intended for these creatures to live and breed off world don't you believe he would have made it so? By changing them you have put there lives in danger, a foolish act against such important commodities
Boma Airaken Spectre Six	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone Your point Miss Oniera contradicts itself. You say these birds are sacred, yet your people genetically mutate the poor creatures to your convenience. As far as we are aware, it is the Caldari performing the genetic modifications, not the Achura. Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone If your 'God' intended for these creatures to live and breed off world don't you believe he would have made it so? By changing them you have put there lives in danger, a foolish act against such important commodities Who said anything about a god? Last time I checked those interested didn't want them genetically modified or breeding off-world. In all honesty I can't imagine who let you out of your cage. Did you even read anything posted by others here? Your lack of comprehension is apalling at best. Thank you, Ms. Oniera for your brief and extremely accurate asessment of the situation.
Boma Airaken Spectre Six	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Kathryn Dougans I would say that this is a matter for the Achurans to resolve, and neither the Gallente "Friends of Nature" or the Caldari State have any business being involved. A breath of fresh air. Your worldview is admirable Ms. Dougans.
Tigerfish Torpedo Underworld Protection Agency The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.02.12 20:34:00 - [22] Mr 17, such an interesting name... You acquired it in a penal colony I'll assume? Moving on... My reasoning for wishing to sacrifice the birds is more symbolic than pure wickedness. Besides, I have no pride at all in my Caldari roots. Following the death of my father, I have little desire to ever return to my homeworld. My home is within Amarrian space now, close to the City of Gods. I started following their religious ways a long time ago, and consider my life truly saved, from what it might have been. Only recently has my political position swayed to darker powers, but this hardly seems the time, nor place, for such idle conversation. With regards, Tiger.
Tuan Tumelo	Posted - 2008.02.14 15:28:00 - [23] Sir, once again im going to have to correct you. The Achuran's genetically engineered the birds to be able to breed off planet in hopes of increasing the number of members in the species. The Caldari Navy was only used as a middleman to help get them to their intended destination. The Caldari Navy did not engineer them, nor did they even request them. They were entrusted, by some of the highest Achuran-authorities, with moving the birds to their new habitats, and nothing else. Notably, they failed in this. Perhaps the idea of someone attacking a ship carrying a pair of special birds so that the species would not go extinct seemed silly, but in any case, the Gallentean Eco-terrorist attacked it (though admittedly, their is evidence of mercenary involvement). They were unable to defend themselves and thus came into possesion of the birds. If anything is a crime here it is that the Navy did not take the job as seriously as they should have, and still do not (though the frequency is decreasing, I have noted).
Anton March Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.14 16:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Number 17 By the way, threatening to kill 2 birds makes you look pathetic. Unless, of course, you do it with one stone.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.02.14 21:11:00 - [25] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 14/02/2008 21:12:28 It strikes me as an odd quirk of biology that what is beautiful is so often fragile and highly specialized. Specialization allows a species to thrive until conditions change, at which point the species becomes rare and, eventually, extinct, giving way to that which is hardy and often homely. It's as though the universe itself were playing out the concept of wabi through evolutionary biology (that's, "all the more beautiful because it is brief," for you non-Achura) as a matter of routine. Were the white songbird to die out as a result of some natural event, it would be simply sad. To hasten the event through human action of limited, short-term benefit seems hamfisted and thoughtless-- an application of crude will in opposition to the flow of the universe-- regardless of who is doing it. Good luck in your efforts, Mr. Airaken.
Nicoletta Mithra Amarr Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.14 21:46:00 - [26] Captain Jenneth, don't you think the concept of wabi was borrowed from nature and not the other way around? And while I would agree that human action is distinct from all other events, I firmly believe it's something very natural, even if it's hamfisted and thoughtless. And I think the image of the living nature you paint here is a bit starry-eyed. A pack of wild slaver dogs or any other predator out there is really beautiful and not really fragile, something you will of course come to understand when they decide to make you their prey. Anyways, these two birds Mr.Airaken is trying to "safe" might be the key for the species survival, because of their unique ethology. But what Mr.Airaken is trying to accomlpish here sounds to me not so much like preserving a species, but more like preserving the exclusive rights of the Achur to enjoy the Achuran White Song Birds. And that is what is really sad here, I think.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.02.14 23:08:00 - [27] Originally by: Nicoletta Mithra Captain Jenneth, don't you think the concept of wabi was borrowed from nature and not the other way around? Of course it was, but wabi doesn't generally apply to evolutionary biology and the life of a species, any more than it applies to geology or the life of a star. It has, however, been taken to refer to a human life. It's the scale of the process that provides its strangeness-- a form of wabi that humans, generally, cannot appreciate because it occurs over too long a span for us to think of it as "brief." As for the "natural" status of human action, this is a distinction without a difference. If a tree acts in defiance of its nature and causes destruction, it's not acting properly any more than a human in the same situation. As for "preserving exclusive rights," you make this sound like a pair of children fighting over a toy-- and perhaps to you, and maybe even for Mr. Airaken, that's exactly what it is. I don't presume to know. However, to me it appears that certain forces are trying to disturb and alter the shape of things-- a highly symbolic, spiritually significant piece of the shape of things, at that-- to their own will and benefit. This is broadly inevitable in some degree, but there seems no great need or purpose for this particular struggle. If this results in the extinction or disbursement of the white songbird, that will be a pity. It will not be the greatest tragedy; it will not even be very unusual. But it will be a pity, and I cannot say that I think Mr. Airaken is attempting is improper, whatever his reasons.
Nicoletta Mithra Amarr Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.15 00:44:00 - [28] If I make it sound like a pair of children fighting over a toy, it's because that's the impression I get if I look at how the concerned parties behave. I have great respect for everything within gods creation. I think living beings and therefore the Achuran White Song Birds have an intrinsic worth, which is independent from the symbols humans make them to be. So don't get me wrong, I don't think these birds are toys, but I think they are mistaken as such. And while it would be nice if these birds are preserved through MrAirakens efforts, it's a pity that he makes the impression that he wouldn't do the same for species which are not spiritual or cultural symbols of the Achur.
Boma Airaken Spectre Six	Posted - 2008.02.15 08:06:00 - [29] While I could perhaps have done this via private channels, I have chosen not to. Ms. Jenneth, Due to the level of personal tension between us when it comes to our people, I would like to thank you greatly for your good wishes in my current endeavor. For you to wish me luck when you could easily use this as an opportunity to attack Achuran seperatism, and even me, is admirable, and very valuable to me personally. I won't forget it.
Redpants Gallente Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.02.15 17:12:00 - [30] Interesting, I haven't heard about these birds in ages. My mothers aunt, being my great aunt had one. She kept it in a cage in the main living quarters of her home in Luminaire. I never thought much of the damn bird to be honest. It didn't sing that I can ever recall. Hell I don't even remember it doing much besides making a text book definition of "mess" in the cage. Occasionally she would let the cage door open hoping it would fly out and travel about the house singing like something you'd see in an old holoreel. But it never did, it just sat there on it's perch, ****ting all over the bottom of the cage. Now what did set this bird apart from any other bird I've seen is the way it would look at you. This bird would just stare at you sometimes, following you around the room as if it was thinking. It creeped me out when I was young. Still the damn thing never sang. "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."

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