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Serwincent jr Caldari Gemini Sun	Posted - 2008.02.08 21:42:00 - [1] Hi all. I have been in the game a long time now and have high LP reading, high standings with empiers and npc corps. So what left for me to do as a PvE player without getting run down by PvP players? I cant do lvl 5 missions, they are in red space and thay can probe me down (and they do) inside the missions gates and **** up my missions. High Cosmos lvl mission's are in red space. I cant run trade runs with my freigther in green space, concord and navy force is to week to protect me against pvp players. Mining i can do but its boring in the long run. And some things i dont understand: Way can i use capital ships in green space. i know CCP have made the game that way, but way cant we? Way cant we carry secure containers in hauler ship and dock on a carrier any more? and can only carry ammo? They have destoyed the carriers ability. Way have they 2 times made it harder for BS missile ship's to use torps, and the last time made them useless? I know that PVP is a big part of EVE, but it cant be to big and to strong, its making the rest of the communty in EVE space out in the cold or blocking it all. I know there risk to take when i fly into red space, but thats all up to me if i do or not. Way cant i have that ability in a bigger part of the game? To chose risk or no risk when i trying to play the game for fun, my fun. If a trader in empier carring bad stuff trough a gate he or she is getting a fee and or loosing there ship, by the hands of concord and nave forces. Way cant PvP players that are attacking other ppl get a fee to A BIG one :)? And i think CCP must set a higer limit the standing. say taking actions on all ppl with standings like -0.1 and down in all yellow or green space.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.02.08 21:46:00 - [2] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 08/02/2008 21:49:41 This is the worst amalgamation of Eve whines I have EVER seen. 8/10 trolling though if it truly be trolling.
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.02.08 21:48:00 - [3] Ok look at it this way: Why can't a high sec player get BS rats, huge bounties and sec/LP increases and be able to get the same kind of ISK rewards as those that risk more in low-sec/0.0? Why can't all high sec asteroid belts have high-end ore so that people can mine in peace and get the same amount of ISK as 0.0 pilots? Think about it. Where would everyone mine, mission, rat etc if that were the case, and what would happen to risk v reward. btw: If you think torps are now "useless", you're using them wrong. Learn different ways to use ships and mods and then you may see benefit.
Serwincent jr Caldari Gemini Sun	Posted - 2008.02.08 21:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Squirrrel Ok look at it this way: Why can't a high sec player get BS rats, huge bounties and sec/LP increases and be able to get the same kind of ISK rewards as those that risk more in low-sec/0.0? Why can't all high sec asteroid belts have high-end ore so that people can mine in peace and get the same amount of ISK as 0.0 pilots? Think about it. Where would everyone mine, mission, rat etc if that were the case, and what would happen to risk v reward. btw: If you think torps are now "useless", you're using them wrong. Learn different ways to use ships and mods and then you may see benefit. Take it the rigth way, i know all the, if and when i need to go to 0.0 But when i dont, i still getting run down by pvp players.
Vanlade Amarr Blood Holocaust	Posted - 2008.02.08 21:57:00 - [5] Empire space if safer, but not safe. You are responsible for your own security, not CCP and not Concord. Concord provide consequences but cannot always prevent the crime from occuring. Your own decisions about how you play eve limit what you can do, if you want that to change then change the way you play.
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:04:00 - [6] I don't think it's hard to see that the 'end game' of eve is player-factional PvP. If you don't like the end game, you're kinda stuck playing the limited early-mid game. -------------------- Jonas 'Jonesey' Arniman callsign: nethervoid CEO Shrapnel Industries "You like to blow s** up, and we like to make that possible."* PubChan: SHRAP
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Serwincent jr And some things i dont understand: Way can i use capital ships in green space. i know CCP have made the game that way, but way cant we? If YOU can pilot a cap ship in high-sec, so can the evil big bad pirates. Think about it. Quote: Way cant we carry secure containers in hauler ship and dock on a carrier any more? and can only carry ammo? They have destoyed the carriers ability. Because it was being abused, made no logical sense, and what do you care? You can't fly one and don't use one :) Quote: Way have they 2 times made it harder for BS missile ship's to use torps, and the last time made them useless? Because every other race's "high damage" weapon is short range. Gallente: Blasters? Short range, high damage. Rails? Long range, low damage. Minmitar: Autocannons? Short range, high damage. Artillary? Long range, low damage. Amarr: Who cares? Quote: I know that PVP is a big part of EVE, but it cant be to big and to strong, its making the rest of the communty in EVE space out in the cold or blocking it all. You are out in the cold. EvE is a PvP game. Almost everything hinges on that point. Quote: I know there risk to take when i fly into red space, but thats all up to me if i do or not. Way cant i have that ability in a bigger part of the game? Because you choose not to. Quote: To chose risk or no risk when i trying to play the game for fun, my fun. You do have the choice. You've made the choice not to risk anything, so you don't gain anything. Quote: If a trader in empier carring bad stuff trough a gate he or she is getting a fee and or loosing there ship, by the hands of concord and nave forces. Way cant PvP players that are attacking other ppl get a fee to A BIG one :)? I don't understand that. Quote: And i think CCP must set a higer limit the standing. say taking actions on all ppl with standings like -0.1 and down in all yellow or green space. If all you want to do is shoot spaceships with no risk and never lose anything, go play Freelancer. -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons. THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK. MEDIC!
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Serwincent jr Take it the rigth way, i know all the, if and when i need to go to 0.0 But when i dont, i still getting run down by pvp players. I'm not meaning to offend you, I don't truly understand what you're trying to say with the first line. I'm guessing you mean that you know all that risk v reward stuff, and that applies when you go to 0.0. It doesn't seem to apply to high sec though, since you don't see that the risk is that much less? It obviously is, so I would presume you are doing something wrong to get yourself attacked such as: Presenting too good a target for people. (Either by ship type, or someone (passive) scanning your ship and determining you good for popping. Living in an area frequented by people who sit around hubs and trade lanes shooting high sec running targets. Autpiloting assuming you should be safe(r) due to the sec. Whichever it is, many other people manage to not get popped in high sec and live in 99.9% peaceful freedom. As for low-sec issues - its much like 0.0. People will go there to shoot targets. I really don't understand what you're failing to comprehend about the way the game works and the people that play it. Sorry.
Serwincent jr Caldari Gemini Sun	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Vanlade Your own decisions about how you play eve limit what you can do, if you want that to change then change the way you play. The limit wasnt there in early times of the game. Only when you have played the game a long time, then its just stops, and eve lossing ling times players. And if you pvp ppl dont see oure veiw of the game and tell us to find a other game, EVE will loos many players.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Squirrrel Originally by: Serwincent jr Take it the rigth way, i know all the, if and when i need to go to 0.0 But when i dont, i still getting run down by pvp players. It obviously is, so I would presume you are doing something wrong to get yourself attacked tbh I'm tempted to find him in Empire and suicide him -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons. THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK. MEDIC!
tek tek Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Serwincent jr I have been in the game a long time now..words Ok I am not to sure how long you have played. But from some of the whines you spewed it makes you look like a newb. Some of the biggest carebears I know that have at least put in a year in game, grasps the concept of this game.....You, not so much. You are either trolling, or you bought you character and you might have maybe 2 months in game. Lead follow or get the hell out of the way!
Serwincent jr Caldari Gemini Sun	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:21:00 - [12] Originally by: tek tek Originally by: Serwincent jr I have been in the game a long time now..words Ok I am not to sure how long you have played. But from some of the whines you spewed it makes you look like a newb. Some of the biggest carebears I know that have at least put in a year in game, grasps the concept of this game.....You, not so much. You are either trolling, or you bought you character and you might have maybe 2 months in game. Well i can tell you that i still remember when it was smal rats by the gates in empier(green space) And lvl 3 missions was the highest. and we didnt have BC's or Destroyers. Is wes a great time
MenanceWhite Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Ralara Edited by: Ralara on 08/02/2008 22:07:09 Quote: some cryllic stuff I don't understand that. I think he means that if you get caught by customs at a gate while carrying drugs/etc you get fined a %of the market price. He wonders why they can't fine suicide gankers in highsec too. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Serwincent jr And some things i dont understand: Way can i use capital ships in green space. i know CCP have made the game that way, but way cant we? I dunno. Probably for the same reason you can't get Epic Armor from the newbie quest NPC in Stormfront, or whatever. Noob space yields noob rewards. Noob zones yield noob rewards. Same principle as any other MMO. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Serwincent jr Caldari Gemini Sun	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:26:00 - [15] quote]some cryllic stuff I don't understand that. I think he means that if you get caught by customs at a gate while carrying drugs/etc you get fined a %of the market price. He wonders why they can't fine suicide gankers in highsec too. Thx. i had a typing err there.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Serwincent jr quote]some cryllic stuff I don't understand that. I think he means that if you get caught by customs at a gate while carrying drugs/etc you get fined a %of the market price. He wonders why they can't fine suicide gankers in highsec too. Thx. i had a typing err there. Fine them? They blow their ship up! -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons. THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK. MEDIC!
Serwincent jr Caldari Gemini Sun	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Serwincent jr quote]some cryllic stuff I don't understand that. I think he means that if you get caught by customs at a gate while carrying drugs/etc you get fined a %of the market price. He wonders why they can't fine suicide gankers in highsec too. Thx. i had a typing err there. Fine them? They blow their ship up! So they do with traders to and give them a fine. Trye it.
tek tek Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Serwincent jr Originally by: tek tek Originally by: Serwincent jr I have been in the game a long time now..words Ok I am not to sure how long you have played. But from some of the whines you spewed it makes you look like a newb. Some of the biggest carebears I know that have at least put in a year in game, grasps the concept of this game.....You, not so much. You are either trolling, or you bought you character and you might have maybe 2 months in game. Well i can tell you that i still remember when it was smal rats by the gates in empier(green space) And lvl 3 missions was the highest. and we didnt have BC's or Destroyers. Is wes a great time Yea the good old days. It was a much more hostile of an environment at that time. Of course you were there so you would know first hand. Which really confuses me about your statement about PvP'rs running you down. Maybe it is just a translation thing. Lead follow or get the hell out of the way!
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:35:00 - [19] Originally by: Serwincent jr Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Serwincent jr quote]some cryllic stuff I don't understand that. I think he means that if you get caught by customs at a gate while carrying drugs/etc you get fined a %of the market price. He wonders why they can't fine suicide gankers in highsec too. Thx. i had a typing err there. Fine them? They blow their ship up! So they do with traders to and give them a fine. Trye it. What? If a PvPer tries to smuggle, they get shot. If a trader tries to smuggle, they get shot. If a PvPer opens fire on someone in high sec, they get destroyed. If a trader opens fire on someone in high sec, they get destroyed. I don't see the point in what you're saying. -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons. THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK. MEDIC!
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:36:00 - [20] Edited by: Squirrrel on 08/02/2008 22:38:19 Originally by: Serwincent jr Originally by: Vanlade Your own decisions about how you play eve limit what you can do, if you want that to change then change the way you play. The limit wasnt there in early times of the game. Only when you have played the game a long time, then its just stops, and eve lossing ling times players. And if you pvp ppl dont see oure veiw of the game and tell us to find a other game, EVE will loos many players. Ok I think i'm beginning to see what you're getting at now. Really you're talking about the problem of hitting a ceiling in game, a problem that many MMO's suffer from, and new content is usually introduced that usually means more levelling of skill/level/some form of pvp/pve points etc to be more powerful/get better stuff etc. Having Cap ships in high sec for example would be lovely for high sec carebear types I'm sure. They would then have the chance to fly them right? However, the fact they can only do so is their own choice, limited by their ability and courage to go to lower sec space. Plus, it would soon also become boring. PvE players aren't the only ones that hit this ceiling. Many PvP players low-sec/0.0 have said the same thing. You claim space, fight some fights and then it starts to get old, you get T2, you fly Faction whatever, people hit different points in what they want and CAN achieve in the game, then get bored and drift away or desire for something else. All I can realistically propose to you is that if you've hit your ceiling in PvE, then you probably have piles and piles of ISK laying around and nothing to do with it. Therefore take the chance of doing something slightly or radically different. Join a 0.0 corp or become a pirate - whatever. You have isk to lose and a career to fall back on should the ISK start to dry up. If you've tried ALL the options, and it's not your type of fun, then I'm afraid I can't suggest anything else than maybe take a break. Eve is probably the only game I've come across that has a ceiling adjustment, in that you can lose everything, skill points and items. It's brutal. That's what makes risking a little from time to time a bit of a rush. Ball is in your court though I guess.
Serwincent jr Caldari Gemini Sun	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Ralara I don't see the point in what you're saying. That tell us more about you that it dos about me
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:44:00 - [22] Destroy Eve's uniquely hostile risk v. reward levels so that carebears can have the experience of flying high sec cap ships and seeing rare ore in their cargo hold? I say expletive deleted to that.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Serwincent jr Originally by: Ralara I don't see the point in what you're saying. That tell us more about you that it dos about me No, it doesn't. What's your question about smuggling? You asked why don't PvPers get shot when smuggling? They do get shot when smuggling. They get killed when fighting in High Sec... They lose standing. It's not me, it's you who doesn't understand how the game works. Odd, for someone who's been playing since Castor... -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons. THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK. MEDIC!
Serwincent jr Caldari Gemini Sun	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:53:00 - [24] LOL. I have no ISK. I have 4 capital ships My corp is in 0.0 space. I do run PVP op's with the corp But i never pick on player that are in ships that dont cant defend them sefl. thats low live act. So i know what you all ar saying, but i dont think you se what am trying to say. Way do CCP let ppl get ganked in missions ond in empier when its so much space else to gank ppl?
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:56:00 - [25] Originally by: Serwincent jr Way cant PvP players that are attacking other ppl get a fee to A BIG one :)? What would you consider a big fee? Other than losing your ships, mods and taking a security status hit of course. Please give an actual figure, as BIG is relative. Originally by: Serwincent jr And i think CCP must set a higer limit the standing. say taking actions on all ppl with standings like -0.1 and down in all yellow or green space. so you do one thing wrong as a 0.0 status player, and then are not allowed into high sec space until you rectify it? IS that what you are saying?
Serwincent jr Caldari Gemini Sun	Posted - 2008.02.08 22:58:00 - [26] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Serwincent jr Originally by: Ralara I don't see the point in what you're saying. That tell us more about you that it dos about me No, it doesn't. What's your question about smuggling? You asked why don't PvPers get shot when smuggling? They do get shot when smuggling. They get killed when fighting in High Sec... They lose standing. It's not me, it's you who doesn't understand how the game works. Odd, for someone who's been playing since Castor... Way cant pvp players get a fine when they gank ppl in high sec. Thats what i am asking. And stop shot ppl in high sec if you dont whant to loos your ship
Serwincent jr Caldari Gemini Sun	Posted - 2008.02.08 23:02:00 - [27] Edited by: Serwincent jr on 08/02/2008 23:03:02 Originally by: Squirrrel Originally by: Serwincent jr Way cant PvP players that are attacking other ppl get a fee to A BIG one :)? What would you consider a big fee? Other than losing your ships, mods and taking a security status hit of course. Please give an actual figure, as BIG is relative. Originally by: Serwincent jr And i think CCP must set a higer limit the standing. say taking actions on all ppl with standings like -0.1 and down in all yellow or green space. so you do one thing wrong as a 0.0 status player, and then are not allowed into high sec space until you rectify it? IS that what you are saying? You have to more that one wrong thing to get lover than -0.1 But so what, just like in RL, pay for your mistake
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.02.08 23:04:00 - [28] Originally by: Serwincent jr LOL. I have no ISK. I have 4 capital ships My corp is in 0.0 space. I do run PVP op's with the corp But i never pick on player that are in ships that dont cant defend them sefl. thats low live act. In your opinion thats low-life. In terms of a game that was originally marketed with the fact you could pirate, do you think Pirates IRL or in-game should always engage in fair fights that they may lose? Or would the sensible ones use tactics that evaluates a situation to determine the risk v reward? (Having said that, if your play style is that you throw caution to the wind as a pirate and don't really care, power to you. If that makes you happy, that's cool.) Originally by: Serwincent jr So i know what you all ar saying, but i dont think you se what am trying to say. Way do CCP let ppl get ganked in missions ond in empier when its so much space else to gank ppl? Again no offence, your English is good but seems to sometimes confuse what you are trying to say making it hard to determine what you actually mean. That may seem like a kick in the gut to you to say such a thing, but it's a fact from my point of view and I won't mess you around or patronise you by hiding it. There are ways to AVOID being ganked in missions and Empire space, the same way there are ways to reduce the chances of getting ganked in 0.0. It's not all or nothing, you can reduce your risks, the tools are in-game for you to use to avoid this the majority of the time, or at least reduce the likelyhood.
Serwincent jr Caldari Gemini Sun	Posted - 2008.02.08 23:05:00 - [29] Originally by: Serwincent jr Edited by: Serwincent jr on 08/02/2008 23:03:02 Originally by: Squirrrel Originally by: Serwincent jr Way cant PvP players that are attacking other ppl get a fee to A BIG one :)? What would you consider a big fee? Other than losing your ships, mods and taking a security status hit of course. Please give an actual figure, as BIG is relative. Originally by: Serwincent jr And i think CCP must set a higer limit the standing. say taking actions on all ppl with standings like -0.1 and down in all yellow or green space. so you do one thing wrong as a 0.0 status player, and then are not allowed into high sec space until you rectify it? IS that what you are saying? You have to more that one wrong thing to get lover than -0.1 But so what, just like in RL, pay for your mistake Sorry a ment -1.0 all the way
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.08 23:08:00 - [30] Originally by: Serwincent jr Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Serwincent jr Originally by: Ralara I don't see the point in what you're saying. That tell us more about you that it dos about me No, it doesn't. What's your question about smuggling? You asked why don't PvPers get shot when smuggling? They do get shot when smuggling. They get killed when fighting in High Sec... They lose standing. It's not me, it's you who doesn't understand how the game works. Odd, for someone who's been playing since Castor... Way cant pvp players get a fine when they gank ppl in high sec. Thats what i am asking. And stop shot ppl in high sec if you dont whant to loos your ship Losing your ship and losing sec status is not large enough of a fine?

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