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Illyrinia Caldari Friendly Hostility	Posted - 2008.02.11 07:13:00 - [31] lol... you lost a thorax to a af? lol... loooolllll..... lol... loool.... hmmmm lol.... alliance members cant shoot ships that take from a corps can...lol... whew ive seen a harpy tear apart a domi, that, was funny, then tear apart a bc, and 2 cruisers. 1 word.... WEB You are trying to post to a locked thread CONCORD has been notified
Illyrinia Caldari Friendly Hostility	Posted - 2008.02.11 07:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Dez Affinity Originally by: Shogun Archer Dez, thanks for the tips, I appreciate that... (really) But whats te point of an alliance? If you are in the SAME FLEET with alliance mates, can you give me one good reason why they shouldn't have kill rights? Just one reason may be enough to sway my opinion if it is a good reason. I am an open minded guy... Some people use can flagging mechanics as a method to get a fight, say a cruiser vs a cruiser. Now if it worked the way you say it would be impossible to tell if you really are going to be fighting cruiser vs cruiser or a bunch of recons are gonna uncloak and kill you, who you are actually flagging yourself too. Alliances, okay I guess but there isn't much need for it. guilty of the recon/sb tactic.... You are trying to post to a locked thread CONCORD has been notified
Shogun Archer Gallente SINco. SYBERIS	Posted - 2008.02.12 01:13:00 - [33] Originally by: Illyrinia lol... you lost a thorax to a af? lol... loooolllll..... lol... loool.... hmmmm lol.... alliance members cant shoot ships that take from a corps can...lol... whew ive seen a harpy tear apart a domi, that, was funny, then tear apart a bc, and 2 cruisers. 1 word.... WEB Yeah a T2 assault frig with a char thats over a year old beat my 2 month old char in a T1 cruiser... barely. Do you always act like a jackass, or are you just high? the looollll part was especially douchey, but if that kind of expression makes you feel better about yourself, be my guest. I'm sure your ass has been kicked more than once. As a matter of fact, I looked your name up on Battleclinic and see that, yes, indeed, you have actually gotten your ass kicked quite a few times. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Illyrinia&filter=losses&page=3#recent So laugh it up all you want in the forums here, and keep taking it like a champ !!! Beside the point that this thread is not about what was lost or killed. Its about the fact that fleet/gang rules are a joke.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2008.02.12 01:32:00 - [34] Originally by: Shogun Archer And that's exactly what I think is ridiculous... whats the point of fleeting together or being in an alliance? Gang bonuses.
Shogun Archer Gallente SINco. SYBERIS	Posted - 2008.02.12 01:38:00 - [35] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Shogun Archer And that's exactly what I think is ridiculous... whats the point of fleeting together or being in an alliance? Gang bonuses. Point taken.. That and remote repping seem to be the best anyone can offer, and yes, two very valid plusses, granted... Still, does anyone know, (maybe some CCP people) why alliance mates that are in the same fleet/same syatem aren't allowed kill rights? Who are we tring to protect here? The person griefing or the people getting griefed? I want one reason why Alliance mates in the same fleet aren't allowed kill rights, not things that fleeted allies can still do (remote rep, gang bonuses)... Why the nerf on not allowing them to engage?
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2008.02.12 17:31:00 - [36] You already have more then what you had in the past. There has been a time when everybody and his grandmother could steal from your can. There was absolutely nothing you could do to prevent it except use Giant Secure Containers to mine in. There was lots of complaining on the forums about this. Then CCP succumbed and implemented thieving aggro rights. Both the miner and his corp get killrights on the thief. If that's not enough to kill the guy, don't attack him. Did you really have to shoot the guy? He was using this tactic to bait someone to shoot him. Was he stealing a fortune? To come back to your discussion, when alliance members will also get a chance to kill him when they're in a gang, it wouldn't take long before someone asks why his non-alliance friends in his fleet cannot shoot the thief. When that's implemented, why should non-fleet members not be allowed to shoot him either? Actually, now that I'm thinking about it... do we need somebody to actually steal something to be able to shoot him at all? It's a game mechanic that already exists for a long time. If you would have known it, you wouldn't have attacked most likely. You didn't and you got smoked.... Look at it as a valuable lesson that you learned.
Shogun Archer Gallente SINco. SYBERIS	Posted - 2008.02.12 22:44:00 - [37] Originally by: Agor Dirdonen You already have more then what you had in the past. There has been a time when everybody and his grandmother could steal from your can. There was absolutely nothing you could do to prevent it except use Giant Secure Containers to mine in. There was lots of complaining on the forums about this. Then CCP succumbed and implemented thieving aggro rights. Both the miner and his corp get killrights on the thief. If that's not enough to kill the guy, don't attack him. Did you really have to shoot the guy? He was using this tactic to bait someone to shoot him. Was he stealing a fortune? To come back to your discussion, when alliance members will also get a chance to kill him when they're in a gang, it wouldn't take long before someone asks why his non-alliance friends in his fleet cannot shoot the thief. When that's implemented, why should non-fleet members not be allowed to shoot him either? Actually, now that I'm thinking about it... do we need somebody to actually steal something to be able to shoot him at all? It's a game mechanic that already exists for a long time. If you would have known it, you wouldn't have attacked most likely. You didn't and you got smoked.... Look at it as a valuable lesson that you learned. Wow. Well said Agor. Honestly, you just put it into perspective to me. I really should just chalk it up as a learning experience and move on... We are at least able to aggro thieves now, so thats good. I know this game has evolved quite a bit from what it was in the early days... Thank you so much for laying it out that way. It's still a little weird and not realistic to a degree, but ok. It is what it is. Thanks
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.02.12 22:56:00 - [38] I think it's safe to say that the point of an alliance is lost in high sec...

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