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Wideen
Eon Project
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2008.02.09 23:29:00 -
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I have reached a dilemma as far as my future specialization is concerned.
Thing is I fly all races, some better than others. But when it comes to battleships I have specialized in Minmatar (minnie bs 5) so I'm not too far away from a minnie dread.
Problem is that my friends who fly Naglefars' advice me NOT to get one as they can't tank worth anything, hence they get primaried and killed first in fleet battles, and on top of that they have terrible dmg, worst of all dreads (looking at their killboard when it comes to POS killing I can see that this is true).
So the issue is this: since I want to continue on to cap ships, I don't know if it's worth to continue on the minmatar line. I got advised to go with amarr caps since they tank the best and the Revelation has great dmg, but this would require me to train another BS 5 and large guns on top of that.
So I'm weighing between either Amarr or Gallente. What rly gets me contemplating is whether I'll enjoy the Amarr BS 5 more than the Gallente one to 5...
So from the perspective of battleships and upwards to capital class ships; would Amarr or Gallente be the better choice?
Sure it's all a matter of your playing style but there must be some other truth than the subjective one...
 Originally by: F'nog
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Concordokken Plox
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Posted - 2008.02.10 00:01:00 -
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Amarr
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.02.10 00:12:00 -
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Well, the Amarr Capital ships tend to have an incredible tank (handy if you get jumped) and i don't think any other Dreadnought has more staying power than the infinite ammo Revelation.
Not to mention the gargantuan base capacitor on those ships. The Gallente Carriers and Motherships have more damage potential than their Amarr counterparts though.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.02.10 00:36:00 -
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Most of the time you're not in your cap ship anyway, so unless you really love Amarr or Gallente BS I'd say the difference isn't significant enough to warrant training up an entirely different race.
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Wideen
Eon Project
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2008.02.10 11:03:00 -
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Tbh if it comes down to 'pure love' then I'd say Amarr. I enjoy greatly flying the harb for instance, and the proph but its dmg is just terrible so I have actually stopped trying with that one.
I fly Gallente command ships but gallente has never been my passion so to speak, the whole up close and personal. What rly holds me back from going with amarr is that they rly seem damn near impossible to fit (the BS line that is)...
I'd stay with minmatar if they just didn't have a crappy capital line up, I don't get off on paying 1.7billion for a ship that will get called primary and that doesn't even deliver the dmg as one might think it would.
Originally by: F'nog
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.02.10 11:06:00 -
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Amarr. Gallente caps have poor tank and the extra damage is barely worth it.
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Wideen
Eon Project
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2008.02.10 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Amarr. Gallente caps have poor tank and the extra damage is barely worth it.
From what I was told, a Revelation will outdmg a Moros, and tank godly while doing it?
Originally by: F'nog
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Jasai Kameron
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.10 11:15:00 -
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Amarr. Their battleship line is going to be much better with the new changes. Apoc will be a very nice ship with what amounts to an extra bonus now. All three benefit from the resistance change, with the Geddon especially being a dps monster on both shields and armour, given its price.
And, of course, Amarr caps are just better.
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Wideen
Eon Project
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2008.02.10 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jasai Kameron
Amarr. Their battleship line is going to be much better with the new changes. Apoc will be a very nice ship with what amounts to an extra bonus now. All three benefit from the resistance change, with the Geddon especially being a dps monster on both shields and armour, given its price.
And, of course, Amarr caps are just better.
ah I didn't know the Apoc will get another bonus, very nice. From toying with some setups, this ships seems relatively hopeless when it comes to dmg.
Pls bare with me, I just wanna get all these questions out of the way, since it's a big decision.
- 1. Is Amarr an AB race, instead of an MWD? Considering the cap you spare by not using one and the flexible range of laser turrets. (Yeah you'll get screwed in gatecamps but that's besides the point)
- 2. Is it rly possible to run a dual rep setup on amarr ships AND still have decent dps? Seeing as you either run out of PG and/or CPU while trying to fit it
Thanks.
Originally by: F'nog
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2008.02.10 12:28:00 -
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Revelation > Moros. Thanatos > Archon. If you want carriers go Gallente, if you want dreads go Amarr.
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Sporked
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Posted - 2008.02.10 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Sporked on 10/02/2008 13:06:43
Originally by: Wideen
ah I didn't know the Apoc will get another bonus, very nice. From toying with some setups, this ships seems relatively hopeless when it comes to dmg.
Pls bare with me, I just wanna get all these questions out of the way, since it's a big decision.
- 1. Is Amarr an AB race, instead of an MWD? Considering the cap you spare by not using one and the flexible range of laser turrets. (Yeah you'll get screwed in gatecamps but that's besides the point)
- 2. Is it rly possible to run a dual rep setup on amarr ships AND still have decent dps? Seeing as you either run out of PG and/or CPU while trying to fit it
Thanks.
up the Apoc is getting a 7.5% optimal bonus to large energy turrets per level instead of the cap bonus and is having it's base cap upped to 7.5k instead. Unlike other ships, the optimal bonus benefits both pulse and beam lasers (with blasters and autos it doesn't really have any effect) so thats why it isn't 10% like with other range bonus'.
I'd say that on the battleships Amarr don't really need an AB or MWD considering the ranges they fight at and their slot layouts. They are best used with someone else doing the tackling and you pewpewing from a standoff position.
With regards to dual reps it really does depend on the ship. The Apoc can manage 8 mega pulse II and a dual rep setup because of it's monster cap. However a ship like the Abaddon without a turret cap use bonus and an armour resist bonus instead is better suited to buffer tanking with EANM II, 1600mm RT plates and a few heatsinks in the lows. The 'Geddon can pull of a hybrid gank/tank setup but, in my opinion at least, it should do one or the other because if you focus on say gank over tank it's an absolute beast. Again if you focus on tank it can pull of a pretty nifty dual rep tank if you downgrade to dual heavy pulse instead of the mega pulse, although it would lack the DPS to break the tank of another dual rep tanked battleship. Good in an anti-support role though.
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Alyth
Gallente
Dichotomy
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Posted - 2008.02.10 13:37:00 -
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Damn forums. Above poster was me.
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Wideen
Eon Project
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2008.02.10 14:15:00 -
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Thank you all for your replies, especially the one above me, that was very informative!
I have now started training towards amarr caps as I think that will give me the most pleasure, especially if considering the battleships.
Originally by: F'nog
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.02.10 14:19:00 -
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Amarr.
And naglafars can tank better than Moroses can :)
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.10 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Wideen
Originally by: Sokratesz
Amarr. Gallente caps have poor tank and the extra damage is barely worth it.
From what I was told, a Revelation will outdmg a Moros, and tank godly while doing it?
Moros has incredible anti-BS weapons in the form of 5 ogre IIs with 250% damage bonus ripping %R#^ apart, and the carriers get their damage bonus. In the latter case the archon both tanks alot better than the thanatos and it has alot more cap available to remote rep.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.02.10 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Amarr.
And naglfars can tank better than Moroses can :)
Not many fit it so it can ^^ Shield tank ftw.
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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2008.02.10 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 10/02/2008 18:34:44
Originally by: Xequecal
Thanatos > Archon. If you want carriers go Gallente
 
The best capitals in game are the Amarrian and Caldari ones.
Since Caldari isn't a mentioned option (and since faction shield mods cost far more than faction armor should you ever want to splash out) then I'd go with Amarr in your position.
The Thanatos fields a very weak tank compared to the Archon while gaining a pathetic amount of DPS, it is the worst carrier on the market by far unless you plan to... solo with it. The Moros is an excellent cap-killer if you can drop in on top of them but can't quite field the tank of a Revelation, nor reach the level of damage a Rev can inflict on large POS.
Some stats and EFTettry to back-up my opinions:
Revelation
Siege Mod, 3x Dual Giga Pulse
4x CR
2x Rep, 2x EANM, DC
EHP: 1,702,966
Def: 10,524
DPS: 3026
Dips slightly into fall-off vs a large POS but the loss of DPS is similarly slight.
Moros
Siege Mod, 3x Dual 1000mm Rail
5x CR
Rep, Exp, Kin, Therm, 2x EANM, DC
EHP: 2,227,276
Def: 8932
DPS: 2851
As you can see, not a huge ammount in it even including reloading times given the Moros' fun cap-killer role with blasters. 5x Curator II on each included.
Archon
Hi-slots of choice
4x CR
2x Rep, Exp, Kin, Therm, 2x EANM
EHP: 1,347,580
Def: 5061
DPS: 1000
Thanatos
Hi-slots of choice
5x CR
2x Rep, Exp, Kin, Therm, EANM
EHP: 947,525
Def: 3176
DPS: 1250
These are without SB's and leadership mods/skills but work fine for comparative purposes. Your options are 250 more DPS or around 1800 more nhp/s repped, improved resists for added benefit when being remote repped, more capacitor, and significantly more EHP. Why anyone would choose the Thanatos beyond already having Gallente BS V for other reasons is beyond me.
EDIT: CCC's on all set-ups of course.
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Wideen
Eon Project
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2008.02.10 21:01:00 -
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Very nice reply, thank you!
The way I see it is, when it comes to the capitals is: I do like the Moros' versatility when it comes to its drones, to fend off smaller targets, but that's about it. If I'm buying a dread I want it built to last so to speak, so I wouldn't mind the 'tank-ability' of the Rev. Although, somewhere in the back of my mind I get the feeling that the only thing a Rev could actually hit is a large POS (or something that is vely vely static and large).
And besides, isn't it just so much more fun to take the harder road? 
Originally by: F'nog
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Alyth
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.02.10 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Wideen
Very nice reply, thank you!
The way I see it is, when it comes to the capitals is: I do like the Moros' versatility when it comes to its drones, to fend off smaller targets, but that's about it. If I'm buying a dread I want it built to last so to speak, so I wouldn't mind the 'tank-ability' of the Rev. Although, somewhere in the back of my mind I get the feeling that the only thing a Rev could actually hit is a large POS (or something that is vely vely static and large).
And besides, isn't it just so much more fun to take the harder road?
The broad side of a moon sized barn is all most seiged dreads can hit to be honest. Lets face it, when Dreadnoughts get deployed in their intended roles I think the only thing that matters with regards to your tank is how far away from the letter 'A' your characters name is. When you have anything more than 3 or 4 other capitals shooting at you, your tank becomes pretty redundant very quickly.
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Niffetin
Gallente
Omni Research
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Posted - 2008.02.10 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Revelation > Moros. Thanatos > Archon. If you want carriers go Gallente, if you want dreads go Amarr.
This guy is either a) a Troll or b) A ******* idiot.
Damage Bonus on a Carrier is useless.
Simple as that.
Go for Amarr, that is what I will do (Archon + Paladin = Wub!)
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2008.02.10 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Niffetin
Originally by: Xequecal
Revelation > Moros. Thanatos > Archon. If you want carriers go Gallente, if you want dreads go Amarr.
This guy is either a) a Troll or b) A ******* idiot.
Damage Bonus on a Carrier is useless.
Simple as that.
Go for Amarr, that is what I will do (Archon + Paladin = Wub!)
If that's true, then the best carrier is actually the Minmatar one because it's the best at remote repping.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2008.02.10 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Niffetin
Originally by: Xequecal
Revelation > Moros. Thanatos > Archon. If you want carriers go Gallente, if you want dreads go Amarr.
This guy is either a) a Troll or b) A ******* idiot.
Damage Bonus on a Carrier is useless.
Simple as that.
Go for Amarr, that is what I will do (Archon + Paladin = Wub!)
If that's true, then the best carrier is actually the Minmatar one because it's the best at remote repping.
Not really. Minmatar one is best at remote repping. Amarrian one is best at _being remote repped_.
Both are important, but coming down on the side of the Amarrian one, because it also boosts it's own tank with a resists bonus.
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Vaygr
Minmatar
Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2008.02.10 22:36:00 -
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The minmatar capitals arent that bad at all. If you already have minmatar bs V then you should check them out. The nidhogger has the exact same slot layout as a thanatos with a larger base cap so it would have an equal to if not better tank plus its the best for remote reps.
A shield tanked Naglfar has a better tank and dps then a rail moros. Minmatar have a solid dread and carrier so I guess it comes down to do you really want to spend another two months training another race's bs and weapon to lvl V.
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