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1Of9
Gallente
The Circle
STYX.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: 1Of9 on 11/02/2008 11:05:16
Well in SiSi at current build, Warp To Zero is over.
Closest distance is now 5km.
Even on overview you can set from 5000 meters to 100,000 meters.
Seems piwates are gonna have a party 
Edit: Im wondering if we gonna see a new explosion in bookmarks all over again 
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Commoner
Caldari
Emergent Chaos
Bedlam Consortium
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:07:00 -
[2]
Interesting.
The worst pvp'er in EVE :
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:10:00 -
[3]
PROOF OR kindly refrain from talking
SKUNK
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1Of9
Gallente
The Circle
STYX.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:11:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: Le Skunk
PROOF OR kindly refrain from talking
SKUNK
dude get on sisi and see for urself
i dont have 2 prove anything.
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Serge Tahlon
Gallente
Templars of Space
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:13:00 -
[5]
Edited by: Serge Tahlon on 11/02/2008 11:13:09
if that is true then it just goes to show that you can get any thing if you just whine hard enough. not sure if that is such a good overall strategy.
but i ll chime in...
proof
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NeoTheo
Caldari
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:14:00 -
[6]
PLEASE BE TRUE.
Warp to Zero was the biggest crap this game ever invented.
WELCOME BACK TO THE GOOD OLD DAYS, LIKE THE BAD OLD DAYS. :D
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:16:00 -
[7]
Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 11/02/2008 11:16:38
I don't really like this idea, mainly because travel already takes long enough as it is.
Traveling 18 jumps in an Interceptor with WTZ is about as entertaining as watching paint dry. Traveling 18 jumps in a bBattleship with WT5KM... well, pretty much your social security would expire before you got to your destination.
It's nice for pirates when people hang around gates a bit longer (and I'm joining a pirate alliance, so that is relevant to my interests), but we really don't need any more unentertaining time sinks.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: NeoTheo
PLEASE BE TRUE.
Warp to Zero was the biggest crap this game ever invented.
No, instas are the worst invention, and now they're coming back.
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1Of9
Gallente
The Circle
STYX.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:17:00 -
[9]
Aparently, when you right click over a celestial object (like a gate) your closest warp option is 5km.
But if you go to the submenu WARP WITHIN DISTANCE you still have the 0 (zero) distance as a choice. Just not the default anymore.
Furthermore, in the overview closest distance is 5km you can set, not zero.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:21:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
No, instas are the worst invention, and now they're coming back.
Lets not bring up Oveur himself stating that instas were a huge DB load to begin with...
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:23:00 -
[11]
I hope this is just a bug. I'm all for an EVE universe that feels bigger, but ... gah, I remember buying shuttles full of instas...
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:24:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
No, instas are the worst invention, and now they're coming back.
Lets not bring up Oveur himself stating that instas were a huge DB load to begin with...
Chances are that they will just not allow instas to be made (no bookmarks within XX Km of gates).
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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Pindleskin
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:24:00 -
[13]
mmm, high sec gank squads will love this :)
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:25:00 -
[14]
I just logged on and checked. Everything is warp to 0 as normal on the test server.
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:27:00 -
[15]
Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 11/02/2008 11:28:14
Well really, what did they expect people to do?
If you're in a hauler or transport, a non-nano'd battlecruiser or battleship, an ORE barge, or most especially a freighter, it can take a long time to reach that gate if 15km is the minimum distance. We're talking minutes. That can add an extra hour to a medium-sized trip, and give pirates plenty of time to just pick folks apart at their leisure.
Maybe 5km will work, I dunno.
EDIT: Ahhh, so it was a false alarm... whew. Sorry, old-school folks. 
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WowZilla
The Leeroy Jenkins Project
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:27:00 -
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I was speaking to a dev on sisi last night and indeed Warp to Zero is planned for removal in an upcoming patch. He confirmed this also included warping to gates.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:29:00 -
[17]
Originally by: WowZilla
I was speaking to a dev on sisi last night and indeed Warp to Zero is planned for removal in an upcoming patch. He confirmed this also included warping to gates.
Well, at least right now nothing has changed on the test server and the op is wrong.
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Capt NoeZ
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:30:00 -
[18]
Originally by: WowZilla
I was speaking to a dev on sisi last night and indeed Warp to Zero is planned for removal in an upcoming patch. He confirmed this also included warping to gates.
screenshot or it didn't happen.
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Kyanzes
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:32:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: WowZilla
I was speaking to a dev on sisi last night and indeed Warp to Zero is planned for removal in an upcoming patch. He confirmed this also included warping to gates.
Well, at least right now nothing has changed on the test server and the op is wrong.
Give us the name of the dev. Give any proof.
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:38:00 -
[20]
dis is sum gud troll.
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ZerKar
Caldari
Zen'Tar
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:40:00 -
[21]
Yeah screen shot or no dice. If they do get rid of WTZ I am SO grabbing my Slasher and making Instas ALL over the place. I do not care one way or another about Pirates, I just do not need Nano-Fit my BS just so I can take it out to where I want to get it some time this WEEK. Travel has always eaten up more of my time in this game than I feel is needed.
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NeoTheo
Caldari
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:40:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Hannobaal
I just logged on and checked. Everything is warp to 0 as normal on the test server.
OHHH BOOOO, :)shame on me for falling for it! :(
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Flamewave
Contempt.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:54:00 -
[23]
The OP and cake have something in common. They're a lie.
So everyone just settle down.
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Mr RIP
Debitum Naturae
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:59:00 -
[24]
I wouldn't mind getting rid of WTZ. Travel through "dangerous" territory has become boring. I miss the good ol' days where low sec was actually dangerous.
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1Of9
Gallente
The Circle
STYX.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:59:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Flamewave
The OP and cake have something in common. They're a lie.
So everyone just settle down.
you still have the old value there. try to change it and u will see.
im gonna get some screenshots .. hold on
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The Herrick
Gallente
Bumsax United
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Posted - 2008.02.11 12:02:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Flamewave
The OP and cake have something in common. They're a lie.
So everyone just settle down.
Sorry for being a complete noob but what ship is that?
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.11 12:04:00 -
[27]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/02/2008 12:04:43
Awesome ;)
Just remember to make bookmarking things in a 5km radius off gates impossible ;)
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.11 12:12:00 -
[28]
Originally by: 1Of9
Here's the printscreen. I just took them from the undocking area in FD- in sisi. i am in POD.
[IMAGES HERE]
You see that it says "between 0 and 100,000" right. The 5,000 on top is the already set default for your settings. You can still type 0 and get WTZ.
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1Of9
Gallente
The Circle
STYX.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 12:13:00 -
[29]
damn .. nvm guys .. watching to my own screens i noticed i was not reading the entire message on the window
/me hides in shame
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.02.11 12:13:00 -
[30]
If this is true, which I highly doubt, it's one of CCP's stupidest moves ever.
"Hey, let's remove the ginormous lag-inducer that are BMs."
"OK, but let's re-introduce it later so we can **** people up!"
Really, if they're going to do this, there better be a dev blog. Otherwise it's just asinine. The devs know what it will do to the DB, so why even bother.
Anyone with a brain will know how to make BMs, so at best this keeps the slag away for a few weeks. Then Contracts overlow with BM sellers. This can't be their plan.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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1Of9
Gallente
The Circle
STYX.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 12:14:00 -
[31]
this is embarrassing .. my bad ..
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Flamewave
Contempt.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 12:14:00 -
[32]
Originally by: The Herrick
Sorry for being a complete noob but what ship is that?
It's a Sleipnir.
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1Of9
Gallente
The Circle
STYX.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 12:14:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: 1Of9
Here's the printscreen. I just took them from the undocking area in FD- in sisi. i am in POD.
[IMAGES HERE]
You see that it says "between 0 and 100,000" right. The 5,000 on top is the already set default for your settings. You can still type 0 and get WTZ.
yes that was my mistake all along .. 
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Sixtina KL
The Shoop Group
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Posted - 2008.02.11 12:17:00 -
[34]
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NeoTheo
Caldari
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2008.02.11 12:21:00 -
[35]
Originally by: 1Of9
this is embarrassing .. my bad ..
ROFL - you git man, i was nearly making a mess in my pants hoping this would be true.
/Time to get out more me thinks ;)
/Theo
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.11 12:32:00 -
[36]
It happens dont worry about it
SKUNK
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.02.11 12:37:00 -
[37]
We won't laugh at you... to your face... 
Nah, honest mistake, it happens. 
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
"The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it." |
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.11 12:42:00 -
[38]
Ouch, ridiculed by a DEV. That's gotta hurt. 
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The Herrick
Gallente
Bumsax United
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Posted - 2008.02.11 13:09:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Flamewave
Originally by: The Herrick
Sorry for being a complete noob but what ship is that?
It's a Sleipnir.
Ouch T2 ship skill reqs 
I wanted one it looked cool. Also thanks for not doing that old meme.
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NeoTheo
Caldari
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2008.02.11 13:36:00 -
[40]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We won't laugh at you... to your face...
Nah, honest mistake, it happens.
like, you know, errr, if i pay you.... can you make it real? ;)
heh.
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2008.02.11 13:57:00 -
[41]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We won't laugh at you... to your face...
Nah, honest mistake, it happens.
so I should stop making Instas ?
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1Of9
Gallente
The Circle
STYX.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 14:00:00 -
[42]
Originally by: ApaKaka
Ouch, ridiculed by a DEV. That's gotta hurt.
lol it does
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2008.02.11 14:22:00 -
[43]
hahaha, wranglOWNED
But ya ever intentionally removing WTZ would be stupid since it would only lead to laggy BM spam again. So I wouldnt worry about it too much.
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.11 14:23:00 -
[44]
Good man! You almost gave me a heart-attack! 
Don't do it again. Ever.
The prospect of slow-boating as little as 5k in my freighter is very unappealing. (As if it warping side-ways wasn't enough to irk me. Fix!)
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Indigo Johnson
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.11 14:27:00 -
[45]
If you now have the option of setting a default, does that apply to Autopilot as well?
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.11 14:32:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Indigo Johnson
If you now have the option of setting a default, does that apply to Autopilot as well?
Neg.
Autopilot always warps to 15k.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.02.11 14:43:00 -
[47]
Ahhhh, phwe. For a momnet, I thought it is gaem over for me.
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Angela Toren
Amarr
Toren Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.02.11 15:10:00 -
[48]
I think this thread should be stikied just for the lolz.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 15:23:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
No, instas are the worst invention, and now they're coming back.
Lets not bring up Oveur himself stating that instas were a huge DB load to begin with...
Chances are that they will just not allow instas to be made (no bookmarks within XX Km of gates).
/yawn.
/bookmark XX+1km
/WarpTo XX+1
Result: Poaster = moron.
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Delichon
Caldari
The First Foundation
Stella Polar
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Posted - 2008.02.11 15:30:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Janu Hull
/yawn.
/bookmark XX+1km
/WarpTo XX+1
Result: Poaster = moron.
/double.yawn
/Devs make XX=105 km
/X tries to warp at 100km to a bookie that is 105 km from the gate - leaving him exactly 5 km from the gate as intended.
/Result: Devs laugh at X
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 15:36:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Delichon
Originally by: Janu Hull
/yawn.
/bookmark XX+1km
/WarpTo XX+1
Result: Poaster = moron.
/double.yawn
/Devs make XX=105 km
/X tries to warp at 100km to a bookie that is 105 km from the gate - leaving him exactly 5 km from the gate as intended.
/Result: Devs laugh at X
I think you get the point about just how ridiculous this is.
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Vriomiunx
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Posted - 2008.02.11 15:38:00 -
[52]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We won't laugh at you... to your face...
Nah, honest mistake, it happens.
Yeah. Guess who somehow managed to link to a page with a fancy advert for fleshlight..?
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.02.11 16:07:00 -
[53]
That sound you're hearing is my heart breaking 
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.02.11 16:11:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Vriomiunx
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We won't laugh at you... to your face...
Nah, honest mistake, it happens.
Yeah. Guess who somehow managed to link to a page with a fancy advert for fleshlight..?
Guess who will be banned if he doesn't shut up.
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
"The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it." |
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Deverian Tarik
Caldari
Hunt and Salvage Inc.
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.02.11 16:54:00 -
[55]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Vriomiunx
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We won't laugh at you... to your face...
Nah, honest mistake, it happens.
Yeah. Guess who somehow managed to link to a page with a fancy advert for fleshlight..?
Guess who will be banned if he doesn't shut up.
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Auron Shadowbane
Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2008.02.11 17:02:00 -
[56]
Originally by: WowZilla
I was speaking to a dev on sisi last night and indeed Warp to Zero is planned for removal in an upcoming patch. He confirmed this also included warping to gates.
I was speaking to Zilla's mum on the phone yesterday and she told me her kid (Zilla) is wearing a dead rabbit is a hat during sleep!
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2008.02.11 17:31:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn
Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 11/02/2008 11:17:16
I don't really like this idea, mainly because travel already takes long enough as it is.
Traveling 18 jumps in an Interceptor with WTZ is about as entertaining as watching paint dry. Traveling 18 jumps in a Battleship with WT5KM... well, pretty much your social security would expire before you got to your destination.
It's nice for pirates when people hang around gates a bit longer (and I'm joining a pirate alliance, so that is relevant to my interests), but we really don't need any more unentertaining time sinks.
Travel in eve is too fast eve is supposed to be a huge place but you can get from one end of 0.0 to another in about an hour thats rediculous please get rid of wtz.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.11 17:33:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn
Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 11/02/2008 11:17:16
I don't really like this idea, mainly because travel already takes long enough as it is.
Traveling 18 jumps in an Interceptor with WTZ is about as entertaining as watching paint dry. Traveling 18 jumps in a Battleship with WT5KM... well, pretty much your social security would expire before you got to your destination.
It's nice for pirates when people hang around gates a bit longer (and I'm joining a pirate alliance, so that is relevant to my interests), but we really don't need any more unentertaining time sinks.
Travel in eve is too fast eve is supposed to be a huge place but you can get from one end of 0.0 to another in about an hour thats rediculous please get rid of wtz.
Feel free to set your default warp to distance to 5, 15 or even 50Km if it makes you enjoy the game more.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:36:00 -
[59]
Seriously though just make a minimum 5-10k sphere around all gates and no need for instas and no need for zero warp.
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flashfreaking
LFC
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:51:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Seriously though just make a minimum 5-10k sphere around all gates and no need for instas and no need for zero warp.
Never flew a freighter, have you?
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Red Thunder
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:57:00 -
[61]
hahahaha rofl pwnage at its best :D
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:07:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn
Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 11/02/2008 11:17:16
I don't really like this idea, mainly because travel already takes long enough as it is.
Traveling 18 jumps in an Interceptor with WTZ is about as entertaining as watching paint dry. Traveling 18 jumps in a Battleship with WT5KM... well, pretty much your social security would expire before you got to your destination.
It's nice for pirates when people hang around gates a bit longer (and I'm joining a pirate alliance, so that is relevant to my interests), but we really don't need any more unentertaining time sinks.
Travel in eve is too fast eve is supposed to be a huge place but you can get from one end of 0.0 to another in about an hour thats rediculous please get rid of wtz.
Feel free to set your default warp to distance to 5, 15 or even 50Km if it makes you enjoy the game more.
The point is, the game is more enjoyable when OTHERS have to warp to 15 km.
WTZ was the worse thing that ever happened to PVP on this game.
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:14:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
The point is, the game is more enjoyable when OTHERS have to warp to 15 km.
WTZ was the worse thing that ever happened to PVP on this game.
Which do you prefer: WTZ or Insta's?
If you remove WTZ, the only ways that I can think of to prevent insta's are to prevent all bookmarks anywhere on the same grid as a stargate and/or to randomize warp destinations so that you arrive randomly +5 km of your intended location.
By the time WTZ was introduced into the game, the only people who were not already using it were noobs who are just as vulnerable to attacks leaving the gate as arriving at it. WTZ has only improved the game, not made it worse.
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Jaabaa
Minmatar
Dental Drilling Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:17:00 -
[64]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Guess who will be banned if he doesn't shut up.
Priceless
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:23:00 -
[65]
You can either keep WTZ, or completely remove the ability to warp to any gate with X km. As the latter would crowd even more people into highsec and put even more emphasis on speed over anthing, I prefer the former.
There is no 'n' in turret
There is no 'r' in faction
There is no 'a' in Scorpion
There is no 'e' in Caldari
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Lodhi
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:26:00 -
[66]
Originally by: 1Of9
Edited by: 1Of9 on 11/02/2008 11:05:16
Well in SiSi at current build, Warp To Zero is over.
Closest distance is now 5km.
Even on overview you can set from 5000 meters to 100,000 meters.
Seems piwates are gonna have a party
Edit: Im wondering if we gonna see a new explosion in bookmarks all over again
ffs quit crying 5k is nothing.
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ghosttr
Amarr
ARK-CORP
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:32:00 -
[67]
I would be happy to see wtz gone, i thought it was a bad idea to begin with. The shorter travel time made possible by wtz has impacted eve in some negative ways, it gave us more blobs and more mega alliances that control more space. 5k is a good idea, because its not enough to merit instas, as you usually land in a 5k sphere anyways
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Ragornok
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 20:06:00 -
[68]
I still think that making the minimum "Warp to..." distance a ship characteristic would have been the best bet.
The smaller and faster the ship, the further it has to be from the gate at the end of warp.
The bigger and slower the ship, the closer it can get.
Work it out so that there is a certain time of vulnerability, even if just 5 seconds or so, that it takes them to get to the gate.
Start with base numbers for ship classes....
Stick intercepters out to 15km+
Cruisers at 10km
Battleships at 5km
Haulers at 3km
And then tweak it from ship to ship as needed.
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