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Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2008.02.12 02:13:00 - [1] I have always listened to different kinds of music, even if it's on a language a don't understand. I figured that if you can enjoy things like jazz or trance, where there are no words, it shouldn't matter if somebody is singing in a foreign language. As long as I like the sound of it, I'm fine. So there I was at the office listening to some Italian rock. A guy came in and asked "do you know Italian?". When I said no, we looked at me all confused. We spend some time talking about it, he didn't bought my jazz & trance theory so I started to ask around. To my surprise all the other guys at the office think the same way, if is not in English, they don't like it. But since all my coworkers are americans, I thought I might as well ask here to get some responses from the EvE international comunity and probably some more americans.
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2008.02.12 02:18:00 - [2] Doesn't need to be in english for me, but it can help. Can also hurt if the lyrics suck. But I think Im an anomaly here (Western Canada).
Isiskhan Gnostic Misanthropy	Posted - 2008.02.12 02:49:00 - [3] I listen to a lot of death / black metal and 99,99% of the lyrics are completely incomprehensible to me. Which is probably a good thing, as often they are pretty silly to start with. I see vocals in this sort of music as just another instrument - and yes, I enjoy hearing that sort of grunting in such context. I once read an interview with Black Francis of the Pixies, where he claimed that when he writes songs he often just focuses on the music, making some sort of random nonsensical vocal noises on top to go along with it. It's only when he's in the studio laying down the final tracks that he comes up with whatever arbitrary words fit that vocal gibberish on his demos. On the other hand, the reason I love bands such as The Dead Milkmen has a lot to do with the lyrics (and vocal delivery), which I find hilarious.
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:09:00 - [4] Most lyrics are bull, its the music that counts. So if the song is good, and the vocals impressive; Its all goooooood.
Dark Shikari Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:10:00 - [5] Often its better if the lyrics are in a foreign language, because then you don't realize how banal they actually are. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Cipher7	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:21:00 - [6] I don't understand Italian I can still appreciate Ave Maria. I love to hear foreign songs. The voice is just another instrument, you don't have to understand the language. I find English to be rather crude and slummy. The UK version of English is much better, but still crude. The most beautiful language to my ears is Latin. Italian, French, Greek and Russian are also beautiful languages.
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:33:00 - [7] I'm ever so mad that IMF (International Music Feed) was taken off the aire here in the US. I loved that network. It was great listening to music in Italian, French, German, or even some dialect of Finnish I've never heard of. I loved that channel. I listen to a lot of bands that don't sing in English. ------ Any factual errors or mistakes in spelling and grammar should be attributed solely to me and not my nation of origin.
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Cipher7 I find English to be rather crude and slummy. The UK version of English is much better, but still crude. Lol, wut? I find british english to be right up there with internet-speak (see previous sentence). Never mind americans dropping "u"s from words, brits don't pronounce half the bloody syllables. Ive been told that the farther you get away from the "motherland" of the language, the worse the pronunciations get, but near as I can tell, UK pronunciations come from an age where the majority had no education in basic language skills. Say all you want about US education, it's still better than what was prevalent at the dawn of standardized spelling. Kinda off topic, but, yeah. English aint the most fluid language, but it does break things up into harsh syllables better than some (thus the lack of fluidity...). For the same reason, I have a strange affinity for japanese vocals. Certainly doesn't do for opera, though.
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:01:00 - [9] I have a fair amount of songs in my playlist that aren't in English. Yes, most of them are Anime soundtrack tunes, but hey...I also have some Korean music, some J-hop, some German rap, some Breed77 tunes in Spanish, and Basshunter who loves the Swedish lyrics. ---- One day...one day General will be worth reading.
Gyfrex	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Shikari Often its better if the lyrics are in a foreign language, because then you don't realize how banal they actually are. QFT....I tend to listen to english, japanese (despite most groups lack of singing ability some of still sounds quite good) and traditional spanish music... I'm from england and most of my friends give me odd looks when they look through my MP3 player. ---
Against Miracles	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:44:00 - [11] I used to listen only to english language music that was played in the media. I never really cared about music back then, exept for a few bands. After getting an internet connection and finding out what I was missing, I stopped listening to most english language music. For years now I have mostly listened to asian music exclusively. I don't dislike english songs, but asian music just meets all my musical needs at the moment and seems to have this special feel to it that I like. Most people I know don't have a strong preference to the language of their music, but I would still say that english songs are in the majority for them.
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:45:00 - [12] I listen to foreighn music, it has an escapist quality to it when you can almost understand it but don't. The problem with English is that it is crude, used originaly to describe things and had words taken from other languages from peoples we intermingled with (French king lead to French words ect). It's utilitarian but for anything not music it is all we need. Yes I have lot's of J-pop also.... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Karma Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2008.02.12 12:16:00 - [13] I've been listening to j-pop for well over 8-10 years now... only started to 'get' the lyrics about 5 years ago or so. knowing the lyrics can enhance your appreciation for an already great song. but it can never make a crap song sound better. a more recent example, I have no idea what this person is singing about, but the song itself is great http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcBIX6ptLmY
Forando Interstellar Cowards	Posted - 2008.02.12 12:28:00 - [14] My music collection has a lot of weird stuff in it. Common for it, is not the language, but that it is groovy and makes me rock in my chair. To me lyrics is sub-par in the larger music picture. I mean, if you want to express something in music, but still rely so heavy on words, why not just write a book? Publishing a small paper with the words "She left me, now I'm crying. Buhu me! Love is evil!" or "My gun is loaded and go boom!", to me, sounds like a much cheaper solution than going into the studio. Guess, this is one of the reasons I've never really gotten hooked on repetitive groves with rap on top, to me it's just a audio book of cuss words unaccompanied by rhythmic, deep sounding, farts. I've found a lot of people I've met on the internet have really liked "Sorten Muld", a danish electronic/alternative/something, though they can't say no more words in danish than "+l"(beer). Likewise, I'm in love with an old Finnish lo-fi punk polka band called "Deep Turtle" since first live performance I saw locally back in the 90'. I wont even dare trying to pronounce what beer is called in Finnish. The music in itself is just too entertaining for me to pass. Enjoy, and fly safe..
Kyrall Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.12 14:59:00 - [15] Afterhours have released 2 versions of their latest album, in English and Italian. Not sure which version I prefer, interesting to listen to both and hear the difference though! - Sig follows: Originally by: Le Skunk PROOF OR kindly refrain from talking
Caldorous Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.12 15:32:00 - [16] Edited by: Caldorous on 12/02/2008 15:32:45 I tend to hear a lot of english songs but... for me english is a foreing language i also hear french and italian songs and some japanese and of course spanish, usually i don't mind the lyrics at all
Frezik Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment	Posted - 2008.02.12 17:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Dark Shikari Often its better if the lyrics are in a foreign language, because then you don't realize how banal they actually are. QFT. Listening to the radio makes me wish I couldn't understand what they're saying. Also, don't look up translations of what you're listening to. You'll just be disappointed. Besides that, there's a lot of really good music out there, and a lot of it happens to not be in English. Keeping yourself to one language artificially limits your enjoyment.
Dark Shikari Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.12 17:11:00 - [18] Originally by: Kirjava Yes I have lot's of J-pop also.... MOU IKKAI? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.02.12 18:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Most lyrics are bull, its the music that counts. So if the song is good, and the vocals impressive; Its all goooooood. QFE I've listened to swedish death metal, german metal, irish folk, columbian cha cha, japanese rap, and even some Marilyn Manson. I still dont sit down and try to read the lyrics. I really dont care. If people really did care they wouldn't be listening to techno/trance due to the lack of lyrics.
Frezik Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment	Posted - 2008.02.12 19:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Keorythe Originally by: Roxanna Kell Most lyrics are bull, its the music that counts. So if the song is good, and the vocals impressive; Its all goooooood. QFE I've listened to swedish death metal, german metal, irish folk, columbian cha cha, japanese rap, and even some Marilyn Manson. I still dont sit down and try to read the lyrics. I really dont care. If people really did care they wouldn't be listening to techno/trance due to the lack of lyrics. I suspect that if people actually listened to music, instead of using at background noise while they do something else, most of the top40 artists would be thrown on the street.
Dirtee Girl Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.02.12 19:06:00 - [21] nightwish is a good example for me i have no idea WTF she's saying but it sounds cool . honestly i have problems being able to understand lyrics in english anyways i dont know if it's my hearing or just some kind of habit but i always focus ont the instruments and the lyrics just blend in from my point of view . * *
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.02.12 19:11:00 - [22] Edited by: Kirjava on 12/02/2008 19:14:50 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Kirjava Yes I have lot's of J-pop also.... MOU IKKAI? I freaking love this - I'm watching Fate/Stay Night just because of this to be honest. I watched Haruhi because I stumbled accross this so my method of finding good anime so far has worked a charm. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Dark Shikari Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.12 19:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Kirjava Yes I have lot's of J-pop also.... MOU IKKAI? I freaking love this - I'm watching Fate/Stay Night just because of this to be honest. I watched Haruhi because I stumbled accross this so my method of finding good anime so far has worked a charm. THE MARKETING IS WORKING! (P.S. You can find the higher-quality version of that first song "Sakuranbo," here. There also exists Touhou Ikkai.) Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.02.12 19:43:00 - [24] Meh, it happens alot to me. This for Code Geass and I can't find the one for Clannad atm.... How do yuo find new anime series DS? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Dark Shikari Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.12 19:47:00 - [25] Originally by: Kirjava How do yuo find new anime series DS? I generally don't--every once in a while I convince myself to try something... and if I can't tolerate something within the first 10 minutes of watching it, I don't watch it. This is why I can't watch Lucky Star. This quote from Lurkmore pretty much summarizes it: Quote: "Which end is the head?" ...is what they talk about for 8 minutes in the first episode. Konata asks her friends which end of a chocolate cornet should be eaten first, along with other food related talk. Most people will generally quit watching the show by this segment, and not even the suggestions that they should watch up to episode 5 before deciding if it was crap or not could help them. The question of "Which end of the chocolate coronet do you eat first?" is considered the anime equivalent of "Do you know what they call a quarter-pounder with cheese in Paris?". Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Sqalevon The Ragnarg Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.02.12 19:53:00 - [26] I'm personally not bothered by not knowing what the lyrics mean because they are in a language I don't know. For me it's the music that counts, and perhaps the sound of the singing and not the actual meaning of the words. I love Paolo Conte without having a idea what he's singing about, except for some of the english bits, but from the way he sings it, I get a general idea of what he want's to tell. So yay for good music.
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.12 19:57:00 - [27] Having seen some other replies I'm going to toss another couple of ISK in... I'm very much a "lyrics person". I love the lyrics of songs. Some songs, while the music is merely passable...if they have exceptional, really well-written lyrics, then the songs are worth listening to. Though likewise if the music is awesome and the words are dismissible I'll still like it...I just tend to notice good lyrics. ---- One day...one day General will be worth reading.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2008.02.12 20:01:00 - [28] When I was watching FMA I came across this one. I like it very much.
Terianna Eri Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.12 21:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Dirtee Girl nightwish is a good example for me i have no idea WTF she's saying but it sounds cool . honestly i have problems being able to understand lyrics in english anyways i dont know if it's my hearing or just some kind of habit but i always focus ont the instruments and the lyrics just blend in from my point of view . Nightwish fan mode activated! I'm with you on this... Tarja could be singing from the bloody phone book for all I care and it'd still sound great. __________________________________
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.02.12 22:20:00 - [30] Edited by: SoftRevolution on 12/02/2008 22:21:53 Depends on the type of music I guess. Singing isn't necessarily about the meaning of the words. If it's just a bloke with a guitar then the lyrics are more important. If the singing works as texture then less so. I find bloke-with-guitar a bit unlistenable in other languages. Not hard work but a lot of that music doesn't really work without the song. If the singing is more there for texture then it's less of a problem obviously. I mean how hard do you really listen to the words of songs in English? If it's Bob Dylan probably quite hard but if it's My Bloody Valentine probably much less so. EVE RELATED CONTENT

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