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Kiviar
Caldari
Vice-Presidential Action Rangers
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Posted - 2008.02.13 02:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
This is why I can't watch Lucky Star.
Lucky Star is a perfect example of anime's decline in quality over the past few years. I almost had to quit the fan-subbing group I'd been in for six or so years when new people started pressuring me to translate moe crap like Lucky Star. Thankfully other older members agreed with me, and since we were the ones who did all of the work anyway, we stuck to shows that had amazing things like story, and character development.
If you want my advice, if you are looking for a new anime show, and have only really seen recent things, go and look for something put out before 2003. There were some truly righteous TV shows made in the mid to late 90Æs.
That aside.
For music listening to foreign music is great. As it has been said before, not knowing the lyrics frees you and allows you to appreciate the greater scope of the music, and allows you to view voice more as an instrument. As an added bonus, if you canÆt understand the lyrics, bands like LÆarc en ciel, seem good.
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Elenath
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.02.13 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Often its better if the lyrics are in a foreign language, because then you don't realize how banal they actually are.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2008.02.13 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Friendly on 13/02/2008 06:47:00
not sure if I'm anomalous from the other respondents, since I didn't read the replies (lol), but I almost never listen to lyrics....
mind you, I often listen to opera and that's usually in a foreign language, but I generally listen for intonation, chord changes and the like regardless of what I'm listening to; I'm more interested in the structural and tonal changes than I am the words---for me, that's the point of a song more so than the lyrics. I'm probably in the minority, though :)
I know my work mates look at me strangely whenever I'm oblivious to what the singers are saying... tbh, I'm so attuned to the non-verbal cues that I often have problems hearing what a singer is saying regardless of the language.
edit: because of this, I can 'hear' English without 'understanding' it ... English is uuugggly. Spanish 'rap' is quite nice in comparison :) Still doesn't beat an aria, though :) Conversely, knowing what the soprano is singing about sorta spoils it for me, too ;) Ignorance is bliss, I guess ')
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/02/2008 16:15:30
Originally by: Kiviar
Originally by: Dark Shikari
This is why I can't watch Lucky Star.
Lucky Star is a perfect example of anime's decline in quality over the past few years. I almost had to quit the fan-subbing group I'd been in for six or so years when new people started pressuring me to translate moe crap like Lucky Star. Thankfully other older members agreed with me, and since we were the ones who did all of the work anyway, we stuck to shows that had amazing things like story, and character development.
If you want my advice, if you are looking for a new anime show, and have only really seen recent things, go and look for something put out before 2003. There were some truly righteous TV shows made in the mid to late 90Æs.
Thread hijack time!
What's happening is that studios like Kyoto Animation have realized that they can make more money by making mindless crap that panders to specific demographics [Lucky Star] than by making something actually worth watching. For Lucky Star in particular, I saw it coming; first we had Azumanga, which inaugurated the "slice of life school comedy" that is now so stereotypical. That was then perverted as a genre by PaniPoni Dash into a stupid "spot the Japanese culture reference" show.
Lucky Star took it one step further and made it into something, which, after watching it, you ask yourself: "how the hell was this crap ever popular?"
The other thing that hasn't made much sense to me is the whole "dancing anime" thing. Is it really the case that the only thing a company needs to do to make their anime popular is virally market it, and include dancing in it? 
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Often its better if the lyrics are in a foreign language, because then you don't realize how banal they actually are.
This. Did you ever translate a latin song? It's all baila and corazon... 
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Kiviar
Caldari
Vice-Presidential Action Rangers
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Posted - 2008.02.13 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Lucky Star took it one step further and made it into something, which, after watching it, you ask yourself: "how the hell was this crap ever popular?"
Because Japense people are seriously weird.
But seriously, anime, like all television, is someone trying to make money. The complex involving dramas of the past just dont cut it with current japanese viewers, so they dont get produced.
A big part of it is japanese people being obsessed with American tv shows like Lost, 24 etcetera, and not giving a crap about anime. Ironic.
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Etumretniw
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.02.13 19:25:00 -
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Yeah, I listen to some stuff in languages I don't understand, but sometime the lyrics are a big part of it you know?
For example, one of my all time favourite artists is swedish (I am from sweden) artist Thsstr÷m. His music is good, and his voice incredible (in a punk/rock kind of way), but what makes it really great IMO are the lyrics. Or, at least, they COMPLETE the songs, you know? I'm sure people who don't understand swedish can appreciate his music, but maybe not quite as much as I can. So yeah, good lyrics can make a song even better, but it's often not necessary IMO. 
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2008.02.13 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: LUH 3471 on 13/02/2008 20:05:43
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Often its better if the lyrics are in a foreign language, because then you don't realize how banal they actually are.
qft
it often is just amazing when one realises to what lyrics one has listenend before the whole time
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N Ano
The Dark Guards
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: N Ano on 13/02/2008 22:37:31
I'm icelandic but i listen to metallica (english for the metal nooblets) and i understand it. then again most of the music played on the radio is popular pop music from U.S.A and uk not much music apart form english played here altough a bit of icelandic but it generally is the sucketh
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Wild Rho
Amarr
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:39:00 -
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It's the overall sound that decides whether I like a song or not rather than the language, hell half the time I can't make out the words in songs written in English either.
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Calderio
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:54:00 -
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I like Rammstien, until one day I looked up a translation to some of there lyrics. Boy was I surprised. After I did that a few times I changed some of the songs that I listened too.
I still like them, but Ive changed some of the songs on my playlist to make it not so weird when people ask me if i knew what they were singing about.
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Throdax
Caldari
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.13 23:52:00 -
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Speaking for myself I only like music in English (and English is not my primary language) when the music involves lyrics (Finntroll being the exception, can't understand a word of what they saying, but every time I heard them I get the will to drink large kegs of beer and raid villages, could be cause it is Viking Metal )
Apart from that I'm a big collector of Psy Trance, Goa Trance and Trance so I guess lyrics is not everything, although it can create or destroy a song, I guess it all depends on the genre.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2008.02.14 00:32:00 -
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I like listening to music in other languages, particually Italian since imo they have a much nicer accent than most. German also is great for that hard-rock sound (see: Rammstein) but the lyrics themselves?... 
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Sharupak
Minmatar
Knights Of the Black Sun
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2008.02.14 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger
I have always listened to different kinds of music, even if it's on a language a don't understand. I figured that if you can enjoy things like jazz or trance, where there are no words, it shouldn't matter if somebody is singing in a foreign language. As long as I like the sound of it, I'm fine.
So there I was at the office listening to some Italian rock. A guy came in and asked "do you know Italian?". When I said no, we looked at me all confused. We spend some time talking about it, he didn't bought my jazz & trance theory so I started to ask around. To my surprise all the other guys at the office think the same way, if is not in English, they don't like it.
But since all my coworkers are americans, I thought I might as well ask here to get some responses from the EvE international comunity and probably some more americans.
Tell your coworkers its no different when they went ape**** over this...Linkage
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ry ry
StateCorp
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.14 10:19:00 -
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french hip-hop is pure win.
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Mark Lucius
Kinetic Vector
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.14 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
french hip-hop is pure win.
This. Prolly because I understand so little of it. 
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.14 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Thread hijack time!
For Lucky Star in particular, I saw it coming; first we had Azumanga, which inaugurated the "slice of life school comedy" that is now so stereotypical. That was then perverted as a genre by PaniPoni Dash into a stupid "spot the Japanese culture reference" show.
Catching up with the last decade of anime at a good pace and I can now (when putting it in an actualt timeline) see what you mean. Looks like as soon as they started putting CGI into anime they started to notice it was better to go moe.....
However, this somewhat made me laugh at what lucky star can do.
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Amberly Coteaz
Amarr
Blood Corsair's
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.14 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Edited by: Kirjava on 12/02/2008 19:14:50
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Kirjava
Yes I have lot's of J-pop also....
MOU IKKAI?
I freaking love this - I'm watching Fate/Stay Night just because of this to be honest.
I watched Haruhi because I stumbled accross this so my method of finding good anime so far has worked a charm.
Cant...get....out...of...head 
Make it go away
*bounces*
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.14 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Amberly Coteaz
Cant...get....out...of...head
Make it go away
*bounces*
This settles it, I am putting it in my signature.
Songs good though isn't it?
This may interest you aswell though...
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Posted - 2008.02.15 11:24:00 -
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Another Nightwish fan here.
Just sayin.
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Stephen HB
Mystical Knights
Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2008.02.15 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
It's the overall sound that decides whether I like a song or not rather than the language, hell half the time I can't make out the words in songs written in English either.
Same for me, I have a hugely varied playlist, everything from Rammstein to Celine Dion (shut up) to Happy-Clapper gospel tunes. I also have found that while several artists/groups consistently produce music I like, I also have single songs from dozens of others who never made anything else that did it for me.
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2008.02.15 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Stephen HB
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Celine Dion (shut up)
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