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InsideYouBoy
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Posted - 2008.02.12 13:04:00 -
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with such a massive tank wouldn't it make it ideal?
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.02.12 13:07:00 -
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Probably because if you fit for a massive tank anyone with a brain is going to fly away from you and warp away if they want to leave.
Your dps is also similar to a squirrel that has just been run over by a mid-sized van.
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Xailz
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.02.12 13:08:00 -
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Cus it doesnt have a web and if u do then u dont have much of a tank 
Its good for keeping som1 on the gate at all times when gate camping but i wouldnt use it for pvp also u really need a MWD to be an effective pvp'er (dont flame me for saying that but it helps alot)
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Ernesto Hoost
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Posted - 2008.02.12 13:10:00 -
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If you do tank it, then you have no room for the mwd scram and web, and it has pitiful damage
It can be fitted for pvp, but it does not involve sticking a dirty great passive tank on it.
Its slow, does next to no dps, and can't tackle on its own, however you often see them hugging gates in low sec trying to get on a kill mail.
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Den enjen
Caldari
MAFIA
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Posted - 2008.02.12 13:11:00 -
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I use a drake in pvp.
But because it requires shieldtanking, all you midslots are used to build a tank, so its hard to fit a webber or a warpjammer in there. There's something you can win by using the rigslots, but not mutch.
But, against "soft" targets (haulers, frigates and such) the kills are easy made.
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.12 13:12:00 -
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Drakes are fine in PVP. For bait... 
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.12 14:01:00 -
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You can have the ultimate passive tank in a Drake, one so poweful that all but the best gank BS/CS will not be able to break your tank. Unfortunately you won't have room for a webber or a disruptor and your damage will be crap. What's the point of being able to tank 900DPS if the Rupture you are fighting can also tank your 180DPS all day long? You can turn the shield tanking down a bit and fit some BCS, then you're about where a Cruise Raven is at, but still don't have tackle gear.
Don't get me wrong, Drake's have their uses in PvP, just not in the traditional sense that people in Eve seem to focus on: a balance of tank and gank, turn on all your modules and hope for the best.
/makes fart noise
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2008.02.12 14:11:00 -
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If every other race had to give up their tanks for snares, you might see more Drakes in combat.
Having to bump people to stop them warping away during a fight means you only get to beat idiots, but at least missiles still hit when scraping at 0m.
Mission fitted drakes make a yummy crunchy noise as the faction gear gets ground into dust, why did you bring a knife to a gunfight?
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In General
No Quarter. Academy
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.02.12 14:13:00 -
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I love my drake. I am planning to buy it something really pretty for Valentines Day. But when its not looking I cry a little cas its pvp ability sucks giant, great hairy donkey balls!
I have to beg like a lil biatch at gatecamps for peeps not to blow everything up so quick so I can get in on at least one km 
A vaga jumped me when I was ratting recently and I wet myself a little with the excitment of it all, until the vaga realised its mistake (I'm guessing he had a bugged overview) and flew off again.
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zwerg
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.02.12 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: zwerg on 12/02/2008 15:27:20
 Originally by: In General
great hairy donkey balls!
best thing i heard to that moment when talking about "drake" and "pvp"
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benzss
Twisted Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.12 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: In General
I love my drake. I am planning to buy it something really pretty for Valentines Day. But when its not looking I cry a little cas its pvp ability sucks giant, great hairy donkey balls!
I have to beg like a lil biatch at gatecamps for peeps not to blow everything up so quick so I can get in on at least one km
A vaga jumped me when I was ratting recently and I wet myself a little with the excitment of it all, until the vaga realised its mistake (I'm guessing he had a bugged overview) and flew off again.
Hahaha, brilliant. Post of the day.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.02.12 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Omarvelous on 12/02/2008 19:20:17
I know its not ships and mods but:
Gate Camping HAM drake:
Highs:
7x HAM
Mids:
Named Warp Disruptor 20km
Named web
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Booster II
Named Medium Cap Injector (800 charges)
Lows:
2 x Ballistic Control Units
Damage Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit
Drones:
5x light ECM or light combat
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Forgot the rigs:
Anti-EM, Anti-Therm, Anti-Kin screens (cheap and reduce the damage you have to rep)
If you have skills for tech 2 hams and AWU V, go for tech 2 missiles, switch the tech 2 SB for a best named, and the reactor control for a power diagnostic II.
~19km range so park right on the gate. tech 2 missiles with decent skills will get you 450 (410ish ignoring drones) dps, and you can tank 325 dps as long as you have cap charges.
You trade your ridiculous tank, for 2-3x more dps and the ability to tackle. Its the best setup I could figure out AND still be able to tackle. The Drake lacks the grid to fit this tank with HAMS and a MWD - if you must go with a MWD, then forget the tank, go ewar and gank.
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nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.12 19:24:00 -
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If they were good in PvE and PvP, there would be drakes everywhere! Now that would get a bit dull. =)
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CEO
Shrapnel Industries
"You like to blow s*** up, and we like to make that possible."
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.12 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Big Al
Probably because if you fit for a massive tank anyone with a brain is going to fly away from you and warp away if they want to leave.
Your dps is also similar to a squirrel that has just been run over by a mid-sized van.
My feelings exactly since I stopped flying it... I can't believe I did for so long 
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Originally by: Praxis1452
you win eve
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Grim Starwind
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Posted - 2008.02.12 21:58:00 -
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When I used to pirate - I would sit at the gate in a semi-tank/gank drake and it worked fine with HAM's on it. I could out-tank sentry fire and most damage from players while still having decent damage, and yes, i even had a MWD, web and scram fitted =) It was enough to easily pwn cruisers, haulers etc.. while tanking sentry fire. You just gotta know how to fit it and have good skills.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.12 22:12:00 -
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Hehehe, Drakes
Originally by: Avaricia
look a goon lol
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OrcishMonkey
Caldari
Dirt Nap Squad
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.13 00:20:00 -
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[Drake, New Setup 4]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]
Auxiliary Thrusters I
Auxiliary Thrusters I
Auxiliary Thrusters I
Hobgoblin II x5
MUAHAHA
speed drake FEAR ME!
=P
yes i have used this and currently have it in my hanger, and it works moderatly well actually.
with my skills it goes 1.3k/s has 301 dps and a 267 dps active tank and is cap stable =)
so if you ever want a cruiser in a bc sized package fly this =P
and remember the motto of the caldari,
caldari/pvp/solo now pick two and you have caldari
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Mr Twinkie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.13 00:47:00 -
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its a gang boat for pvp... either way it sucks and once ur the last 1 left.. well doesnt matter cause ur tank will break
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PMBhauler
Pod Me Beautiful
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Posted - 2008.02.13 01:07:00 -
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We have Drake of DOOM ops from time to time.
Rules:
Drakes only
No one can fit strictly tank, must have some form of EW and Point
Insure your drakes because we are coming back in pods.
Ideas that have formed: Nano-drakes, Jamming Drakes, Remote rep drakes, etc etc
We then leave our space looking for a fight, which we always find. We dont care if Carriers are fielded (prefer they not be) or that we are outnumbered/outclassed as we want a good, no-*****footing around straight up fight to the death. We bring it and its a ton of fun.
The only thing we avoid is mega blobs (100 ships for 10 enemies come on get real). Most of the time we come out on top, sometimes not so (like when the enemy fields 4-5 carriers spider tanking support). All in all we don't care about stats. Total loss for our people is usually around 10m in mods, We use mostly rat loot/named tech 1 and it takes members about 30 minutes to and hour to recoup losses, if any.
Its amazing the dps 15+ drakes can put on a single target when people all listen to FC and stick to primaries. We have broke armor tanks with 2 carriers remote repping.
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Schena
Isodyne Research and Production
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Posted - 2008.02.13 01:26:00 -
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PVP in most Caldari ships are a bad idea, atleast solo pvp.
Shield Tank, PVP, Solo
Choose two
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Jei'son Bladesmith
The Storm Knights
The Cool Kids Club
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Posted - 2008.02.13 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Big Al
Probably because if you fit for a massive tank anyone with a brain is going to fly away from you and warp away if they want to leave.
Your dps is also similar to a squirrel that has just been run over by a mid-sized van.
Dude....your sig....is Epic Win
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.13 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: PMBhauler
We have Drake of DOOM ops from time to time.
Rules:
Drakes only
No one can fit strictly tank, must have some form of EW and Point
Insure your drakes because we are coming back in pods.
Ideas that have formed: Nano-drakes, Jamming Drakes, Remote rep drakes, etc etc
We then leave our space looking for a fight, which we always find. We dont care if Carriers are fielded (prefer they not be) or that we are outnumbered/outclassed as we want a good, no-*****footing around straight up fight to the death. We bring it and its a ton of fun.
The only thing we avoid is mega blobs (100 ships for 10 enemies come on get real). Most of the time we come out on top, sometimes not so (like when the enemy fields 4-5 carriers spider tanking support). All in all we don't care about stats. Total loss for our people is usually around 10m in mods, We use mostly rat loot/named tech 1 and it takes members about 30 minutes to and hour to recoup losses, if any.
Its amazing the dps 15+ drakes can put on a single target when people all listen to FC and stick to primaries. We have broke armor tanks with 2 carriers remote repping.
That is the best idea for using drakes I've heard yet 
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Originally by: Praxis1452
you win eve
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Niffetin
Gallente
Omni Research
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Posted - 2008.02.13 07:45:00 -
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Drake sucks for PVP.
No one shoots it first because they know it will take a beating and it doesnt do damage.
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.13 07:52:00 -
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IMBA
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.13 08:31:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Ki An
IMBA
roffle 
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Originally by: Praxis1452
you win eve
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Skelator
Stronghold corp
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Posted - 2008.02.13 09:19:00 -
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Alowishus,
Wouldn't the damage increase dramatically if the pilot had topped out Missle Skills?
Our Knights/GhostFleet are available for small honorable contracts.
Phasmatis Velox Equitatus
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.13 10:18:00 -
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Edited by: Setana Manoro on 13/02/2008 10:20:22
Originally by: Omarvelous
Edited by: Omarvelous on 12/02/2008 19:20:17
I know its not ships and mods but:
Gate Camping HAM drake:
Highs:
7x HAM
Mids:
Named Warp Disruptor 20km
Named web
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Booster II
Named Medium Cap Injector (800 charges)
Lows:
2 x Ballistic Control Units
Damage Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit
Drones:
5x light ECM or light combat
***Edit***
Forgot the rigs:
Anti-EM, Anti-Therm, Anti-Kin screens (cheap and reduce the damage you have to rep)
If you have skills for tech 2 hams and AWU V, go for tech 2 missiles, switch the tech 2 SB for a best named, and the reactor control for a power diagnostic II.
~19km range so park right on the gate. tech 2 missiles with decent skills will get you 450 (410ish ignoring drones) dps, and you can tank 325 dps as long as you have cap charges.
You trade your ridiculous tank, for 2-3x more dps and the ability to tackle. Its the best setup I could figure out AND still be able to tackle. The Drake lacks the grid to fit this tank with HAMS and a MWD - if you must go with a MWD, then forget the tank, go ewar and gank.
Drake has 6 meds, fail ?
Originally by: Schena
PVP in most Caldari ships are a bad idea, atleast solo pvp.
Shield Tank, PVP, Solo
Choose two
No, it isn't.
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Brutoth Tain
Independant Recon and Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2008.02.13 11:50:00 -
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Try this
7x HAMs
10MN MWD
24km Scram
web
2x Invuls
LSE
3x BCS
1x RCU
3x Purger rigs for some passive recharge or extenders for greater buffer
This setup has impressive dps for a Drake and a modest tank .
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.13 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Schena
Shield Tank, PVP, Solo
Choose two
You never encountered a Sleipnir I see.
Anyway the trouble with the Drake is not with the ship but with the pilots that don't want to give up some tank for mobility, tackle and damage (and ewarfare).
Basically most try to PvP in what is a slightly modified mission fit, that doesn't work for the other races and doesn't work for the Caldari either...
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Brutoth Tain
Independant Recon and Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2008.02.13 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
Originally by: Setana Manoro
Drake has 6 meds, fail ?
It does have 6 meds - fail more?
Setana was referring to the fact that the posted setup only utilised 5 med slots - face palm fail?
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