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Vector Magician Sicarri Covenant Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.13 15:36:00 - [31] Quote: Setana was referring to the fact that the posted setup only utilised 5 med slots - face palm fail? FTW lol
Lavraen Minmatar Black Podding	Posted - 2008.02.13 15:48:00 - [32] A Drake is the big juicy maggot on the end of a fishing line? Lavraen
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.02.13 15:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Brutoth Tain Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Setana Manoro Drake has 6 meds, fail ? It does have 6 meds - fail more? Setana was referring to the fact that the posted setup only utilised 5 med slots - face palm fail? I forgot the shield boost amp - this (lack of math ability and reading) is what I get for no coffee this morning! __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
jimmyjam Wise Guys Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2008.02.13 17:32:00 - [34] Originally by: InsideYouBoy with such a massive tank wouldn't it make it ideal? Drakes are great for pvp its really just a matter of the role you put it in like being bait for instance. -----------------------------------------------
zwerg Macabre Votum Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.13 17:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Ki An IMBA damage done: 20k ? that domi wasnt even tanking man.. surely was afk
Majon Tremkor Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.02.13 18:48:00 - [36] Originally by: Skelator Alowishus, Wouldn't the damage increase dramatically if the pilot had topped out Missle Skills? With maxxed missile skills, T2 Launchers, BC5 and Racial Drone Spec to 4 it puts out decent damage even while heavily tanked. Throw in a BCS or two and it's not bad. Of course you still have no scram/web and you're still slow but you can sit there, take a beating and dish out some pain. Works best in gangs of 3-5, IMO.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.02.13 19:27:00 - [37] Originally by: zwerg Originally by: Ki An IMBA damage done: 20k ? that domi wasnt even tanking man.. surely was afk Or maybe my corp mate used his l33t skills to prevent tanking. Probably didn't tank though. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Slayed Caldari Toys R Us Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2008.02.14 15:44:00 - [38] for those who say that caldari ships cant do solo PVP are just to stupid to fit a caldari ship. caldari is t3h pwn for any kind of PVP ]
zwerg Macabre Votum Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.14 16:07:00 - [39] Originally by: Slayed for those who say that caldari ships cant do solo PVP are just to stupid to fit a caldari ship. caldari is t3h pwn for any kind of PVP proof or stfu. tbfh i never died to a caldari ship, even more to other races ( even amarr )
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2008.02.14 16:45:00 - [40] Never died to Caldari OR Amarr ships? So...you just haven't pvped very much at all then?
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.02.14 17:48:00 - [41] Originally by: zwerg tbfh i never died to a caldari ship, even more to other races ( even amarr ) yes thats a very stupid thing to say as it just illustrates your immense failings. Caldari aint the best SOLO pvp boats but proportionately you will see more pvp in a gang than solo by a long shot. Drakes fulfill several roles well, depending on the gang but as others have said before, its reputation has more to do with an assumed weakness than from any real issues, much like the "amarr problem". I dont really fly em much anymore appart from when some nostalgia overcomes me or for a change but this setup is probably the better one I have seen for a passive tank. x7 heavy Mid x2 lse, x1 em and x1 therm hardeners, 10mn MWD, 24km scram lows 1 bcu 3 spr rigs x3 purgers great tank, moderate dps that will still comfortably take down cruiser sized craft quite quickly. Alternative setups will swap out the scram for an invul field, more bcu for dmg over spr or a bait set up which drops the mwd and bcu for more tank (lse and sprs). pretty versatile and by no means a bad choice of ship for a low-moderately skilled player, particularly one which is missile specced. Its an anti support ship and probably works best in low sec pirating or in 0.0 to add beef to a gatecamp. Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.14 18:31:00 - [42] Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik great tank, moderate dps that will still comfortably take down cruiser sized craft quite quickly. So a battle cruiser class ship that can kill a cruiser, Drakes really are awesome. What do you mean by "moderate dps" btw That set up with 7T2 launchers faction missiles and a T2BCU does less dps than a Rupture...
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.02.14 19:00:00 - [43] Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 14/02/2008 19:01:46 Originally by: Ernesto Hoost Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik great tank, moderate dps that will still comfortably take down cruiser sized craft quite quickly. So a battle cruiser class ship that can kill a cruiser, and tank like a teir 1 bs, Drakes really are awesome. fixed for you. But you are absolutely right- a ship that sustains a fire rate simular to a cruiser class but can sustain that rate of fire for much longer in a "battle" shouldnt be called battlecruiser. thats the problem with all the EFT warriors on this forum. They think in terms of seconds rather than in terms sustained damage. Moderate damage means that in a small fleet/ gate skirmish a drake is going to be much more useful/effective than your rupture. It's nice enough to fly but for it to be really effective the rigging makes its "cost effectiveness" a little bit skewed. Regardless if you dont like em dont fly em. Who gives a sht. Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon Ghost*You do, but this is compensated for by lag
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.14 20:18:00 - [44] Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik But you are absolutely right- a ship that sustains a fire rate simular to a cruiser class but can sustain that rate of fire for much longer in a "battle" shouldnt be called battlecruiser. thats the problem with all the EFT warriors on this forum. They think in terms of seconds rather than in terms sustained damage. Moderate damage means that in a small fleet/ gate skirmish a drake is going to be much more useful/effective than your rupture. I don't know how you set up your Battleships...but they tank alot better than a Drake I find it funny that you accuse me of being an EFT warrior when your only reason to fly a drake is based on its passive tank figures. Let's see..roaming gang, drake is too slow, and can't align fast enough Battleship gang, Drake doesn't have the punch or range Remote repping gang. Drake can't fit LRR or have a drone bay useful for repping. There is nothing that it can do in pvp that isn't done better by several other ships. But as you say, who gives a **** if you want to fly around in a brick shaped coffin with the firepower of a taranis
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2008.02.15 01:27:00 - [45] Taranis has 600dps??
Crowdad	Posted - 2008.02.15 04:06:00 - [46] Edited by: Crowdad on 15/02/2008 04:12:27 Edited by: Crowdad on 15/02/2008 04:08:24 Drakes do do puny DPS... They can tank okay, but even a cyclone can break a drake's tank. This is how I fit my cyclone for pvp, I think it does its job quite well. The cap injectors to keep the shield booster running, sacrificing resistance to take advantage of the cyclone's boost bonus. With a fit like this I think any solo bs will go down with 3 cyclones eventually, even cap neutral dual repped domi's. It takes some creative flying though... Here's the fit: [Cyclone, PVP] 2x Nanofiber Internal Structure II 1x Overdrive Injector System II 1x Damage Control II 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 1x Invulnerability Field II 1x 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 1x Large Shield Booster II 5x Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 3x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Hellfire Rage Assault Missile 4x Vespa II 28062 effective HP 5494 shield, 201/s, E/T/K/Ex=38/50/63/75 1887 cap, -59/s, +45/s, lasts 1m51s (but you don't always run the booster or mwd) 1560 m/s 347 DPS, with decent skills. This fit should go for 35-40m isk. Which isn't that bad for a battlecruiser, not at all... edit: semantics edit2: fit missed a launcher
WildTurkey	Posted - 2008.02.15 12:12:00 - [47] ok so this is my Alt - Don't want to give away any info :) THE DRAKE is by far one of the best solo PVP ships for someone that has been in EVE for LESS than 6 months - After only 5 months my Alt has 450DPS and can PERM TANK 500DPS and yes this set up DOES have a 24km Scram with a set up costing under $120 million isk. (all T2 except rigs) I agree that there are better ships but these too have their down falls.. this is my drake set up an, old corp mate had a drake after about 5 months in the game with 550dps - good resists and 25K shield with scram and web. so to anyone why says that a Drake does Crap damage with a good tank i say #CRAP# tanking 500dps will allow for me to do great damage to the fool that warped in next to me..... it also is GREAT for gate camping i have taken out 3 cruisers at a gate while under fire from every one - i have also jumped into a gate camp of 2BC and 1BS and done enough damage and tanked enough to scare them (even more so when my mates drake came in to help) :P The ONLY time i have lost a Drake was in a Gate camp with 4 Megathrons + multi other ships 12 in total (long kill mail) ---- lasted 40seconds :(
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.15 12:30:00 - [48] People don't use them for PvP much because all the newbies use Drakes to mission run with about 700K SP in missiles tops in combination with a max tank setup, and then try it out in PvP to find out they do wet paper bag DPS and die to gangs or fail to catch anyone in said setups. So they get dissapointed in drakes and give up altogether, while the simple fact is that the Drake requires SP and thinking about PvP fits rather then fitting it the same way you would for killing rats to be effective just like any other BC. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Crowdad Cold templars The Fifth Race	Posted - 2008.02.16 22:57:00 - [49] Edited by: Crowdad on 16/02/2008 23:03:47 Originally by: WildTurkey After only 5 months my Alt has 450DPS and can PERM TANK 500DPS and yes this set up DOES have a 24km Scram with a set up costing under $120 million isk. (all T2 except rigs) With 4x Dread Guristas BCS and 7x dread guristas heavy assault launchers with KINETIC ammo, and 2x Bay Loading Accelerator I rigs: dps goes up to 637. 20km range.(fitted on EFT 2.4.1 with all lvl 5 skills). This is obviously an unrealistic fit, the coming fits have only 2x BCS. Now, same thing except with t2 launchers, ammo and a more realistic 2x t2 BCS is 526 dps. Kinetic damage... and a puny 16.9km range. With t2 heavy launchers and scourge fury ammo, its 409. 40.5km range. Which is a much more realistic fit that anyone would have, so you could change ammo and fire at 84.4km with Caldari Navy Scourge for 402 DPS. Unless you gimp your range I don't see how you can get 500dps.
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.17 05:11:00 - [50] We got our arse kicked by a Drake heavy gang today, they were supported by a Basilisk and two carriers, they had some very nice remote repping going was very hard to kill them, the amount of dps the Drakes put up surprised a lot of us, they were out damaging BS's on the killmails...
Aaron Mirrorsaver R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.17 06:15:00 - [51] it doesn't need to fit scram/web when you have tacklers in your gang. if you mean solo pvp sure no drake. but drake in gang is good. they do adequate dps and tank like crazy imagine 10 drakes. 2 arazu 2 rapier 2 inty and 2 falcon in a gamg. in a gang where your guaranteed fight and no empire docking station hugging rubbish, thats what the drake is for. Go Hard, or go Home.
Cypress Cavalero Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2008.02.17 11:07:00 - [52] simple answer drakes are epic fail.. no dps even with t2 launchers, slow as hell, cant tackle well, dont suit e-war due to everyone passive tanking them, anyone with a brain cell kill o the rest of the gang first, also they dont hold up against neutron mega or torp raven so basically they are a big sack of usless.
Gypsio III Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.17 12:18:00 - [53] Quote: simple answer drakes are epic fail.. no dps even with t2 launchers, slow as hell, cant tackle well, dont suit e-war due to everyone passive tanking them, anyone with a brain cell kill o the rest of the gang first, also they dont hold up against neutron mega or torp raven so basically they are a big sack of usless. Oh man, this thread is hilariously awful, it's like some monumental Strategic Fail Reserve. That ^^^ post sums it all up, it's just every clueless noob myth about Drakes rolled into one. BTW, the Drake is a terrible bait ship, and not just for the reasons that should be obvious.
maCH'EttE Veto.	Posted - 2008.02.17 13:15:00 - [54] Originally by: Cypress Cavalero simple answer drakes are epic fail.. no dps even with t2 launchers, slow as hell, cant tackle well, dont suit e-war due to everyone passive tanking them, anyone with a brain cell kill o the rest of the gang first, also they dont hold up against neutron mega or torp raven so basically they are a big sack of usless. 617 DPS Tank - That's with a point, without I can get it to around 815 521 DPS Damage - Not too bad IMO 1,043m/s - Hardly interceptor speeds, but reasonable enough Yes, a Drake with full on Passive tank does no damage and is slow as hell, but you wouldn't ever use a Passive Drake for solo PVP, so the point is kind of... Well... Pointless. Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD) I got pwned!
Cypress Cavalero Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2008.02.17 13:52:00 - [55] Edited by: Cypress Cavalero on 17/02/2008 13:52:55 Edited by: Cypress Cavalero on 17/02/2008 13:51:46 yeah cos eft and real gameplay are one and the same so this drake with an mwd and its MASSIVE sig can do what? own a caracal really fast?
K1RTH G3RS3N	Posted - 2008.02.17 14:44:00 - [56] Originally by: Crowdad Edited by: Crowdad on 16/02/2008 23:03:47 Originally by: WildTurkey After only 5 months my Alt has 450DPS and can PERM TANK 500DPS and yes this set up DOES have a 24km Scram with a set up costing under $120 million isk. (all T2 except rigs) Unless you gimp your range I don't see how you can get 500dps. i believe he/she is refering to tankable dps... the uniform dps it can handle.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.17 14:56:00 - [57] EFT fight!!! Come on guys... Drake can work in a small gang, but a thorax has more DPS with a set of 5 med T2 drones and 5 electrons. Drake is slow, clunky and just plain boring to fly, and I have over 300 kills in one. I never soloed in it either. But w/e... all I can say is any drake brought out in a gang had better fit something to make it useful other than being the last ship to get pointed/fired on. A ship is a ship, and they all have their uses. Drake just fits for mission running rather well... and shield tanks suck in a gang when everyone else is remote repping armor (My onyx is sad because of this ) ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
Cyriel Longinus XERCORE	Posted - 2008.02.17 23:27:00 - [58] Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 17/02/2008 23:28:51 I used a Drake two nights ago in small gang during a suicide run thru deep space. At the fist encounter we jumped into 3 to 1 odds that favored the opposing side. I tanked nine blinky red things in my overview till they died or scattered. The fun lasted for a hours till later in another part of the region, we decided to see if we can take out the leader of a twenty-something man gang hunting the three of us. We jumped into their fleet, killed the target and few others. The whole fun costed me less than 80 million, which included full T2 fit and faction ammo ... it was well worth the ride. Using a Drake for PvP, oh hell yea .. I can fit a warp scrambler, heavy tank, remote rep and dish out high DPS with my nearly max'd out missile skills. For 80m ISK, It's a disposable brawler. The only drawback is that it's so dam clunky slow even with max'd nav skills. A fresh new alternative to Caldari PVP is the Onyx. It passive tanks likes a Battlecruiser. The focused script + field generator allows the Caldari pilot to free up a midslot for a MWD, making it possible for cruising speeds upward above 2kms. The DPS is not very high but is decent for cruiser class ship and the missiles do not consume cap, allowing power to be used for the generator and speed. The Onyx is an acceptble answer to the Caldari need for a solo PvP vessel.
Gypsio III Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.17 23:40:00 - [59] Quote: so this drake with an mwd and its MASSIVE sig can do what? own a caracal really fast? Solo any other BC or tanked HAC. Only the Myrm can match the Drake's combination of gank, tackle and tank. And nanoHACs will get a nasty surprise if they think "Oh, a useless Drake, it won't have a web...".
maCH'EttE Veto.	Posted - 2008.02.18 00:03:00 - [60] Originally by: Cypress Cavalero Edited by: Cypress Cavalero on 17/02/2008 13:52:55 Edited by: Cypress Cavalero on 17/02/2008 13:51:46 yeah cos eft and real gameplay are one and the same so this drake with an mwd and its MASSIVE sig can do what? own a caracal really fast? Yes, coz it's not like I ever tried... You know... PVPing with it [insert roll-eyes smiley here] You realise that I'm not the only BC who uses an MWD, even tho it gives me an OMGWTFMASSIVE sig... LOL Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD) I got pwned!

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