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Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.02.14 21:18:00 -
[91]
 Originally by: ElweSingollo
Thats a fairly substantial attack on the integrity of Ebank which has been made with zero reference to proof to back up those claims Taikun please either back up your claims that they are untrustworthy with proof or retract that slander (in coad terms thats known as Proof or STFU).
Against my better judgement I will rise to your flame bait.
My comments were not a substantial attack on the integrity of Ebank in any fashion. If anyone deserves to know of my particular concerns it is Ricdic. Accordingly, both him and I have discussed my concerns on occasion streching way back to EBanks inception.
He is at peace with my discomfort with doing business with EBank and knows the reasons surrounding it. I do not feel he holds any level of maliace towards me for my position and likewise I hold no malace towards Ricdic or EBank.
I simply FEEL my isk is better served with other investments and institutions management for reasons of charactor. This could change in the future given the make up of those involved with EBank. As such, I do not have to justify or prove my deeply held feelings with regards to my investments, nor provide "proof or shut the **** up" just because you say so. You will find your request wanting.
Taikun
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ElweSingollo
Starlancers
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Posted - 2008.02.14 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: ElweSingollo on 14/02/2008 22:21:36
Edited by: ElweSingollo on 14/02/2008 22:18:48
Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: ElweSingollo
stuff
Against my better judgement I will rise to your flame bait.
My comments were not a substantial attack on the integrity of Ebank in any fashion. If anyone deserves to know of my particular concerns it is Ricdic. Accordingly, both him and I have discussed my concerns on occasion streching way back to EBanks inception.
He is at peace with my discomfort with doing business with EBank and knows the reasons surrounding it. I do not feel he holds any level of maliace towards me for my position and likewise I hold no malace towards Ricdic or EBank.
I simply FEEL my isk is better served with other investments and institutions management for reasons of charactor. This could change in the future given the make up of those involved with EBank. As such, I do not have to justify or prove my deeply held feelings with regards to my investments, nor provide "proof or shut the **** up" just because you say so. You will find your request wanting.
Taikun
Twas not flame bait in way shape or form I merely responded to your post in which you attacked the trustworthiness of Ebank and I asked you provide proof of that untrustworthiness (your own words) here just in case you missed the bit where it was said I will quote it again and in fact bold it for you.
Originally by: Taikun
Edited by: Taikun on 14/02/2008 18:50:53
This thread is about a particular bond offering. I personally would have taken 10 billion of it if it wasn't for my own personal concerns about the trustworthiness of individuals involved with EBank.
This concern of mine is reinforced on a almost daily basis and this thread is no different. I have spoken with my investment isk. Tis a free market and I choose not to tie my isk up with operations who I feel are one temper tantum away from a signifigant scam.
You said that you would not invest because of indivuiduals untrustworthiness in regard to E-Bank, you said that you believe E-bank is "one temper tantum away from a signifigant scam" to me that reads as significant accusations againsty a operation who hold billions since you have that belief and are free in spreading the accusation about I merely ask that you provide proof of that... which you didn't.
As in your post above your resorted to emphasising your feelings are what make you write this I will take it as read you have no proof regarding the untrustworthyness of E-Bank and are relying on a form of hireheto uknown form of eve ESP that obviously the rest of us have no access too.
Oh btw if you did indeed feel my post was a flame bait then I beleive you will find the report button is next to this post
Oh and hello Ratty long time no see  .
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.02.14 22:37:00 -
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Anyway let's get back to the bond sale. I understand Taikun's views and approach in regards to his comments and I look forward to us changing Taikun's mind on EBANK in the future 
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=500043
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Leowen
Industrial Giants
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Posted - 2008.02.14 23:40:00 -
[94]
Originally by: ElweSingollo
Twas not flame bait in way shape or form ... blah
You said that you would not invest because of ... blah
As in your post above your resorted to ... blah
Oh btw if you did indeed feel my post was a flame bait then I beleive you will find the report button is next to this post
One of the worst things about this forum is the growing number of people who follow the strong opinions expressed by others, and try to adopt that style themselves. Trying to look like Billy Big B****x but really just looking more than a little silly.
He didn't accuse of anything, he expressed his personal feeling. He never mentioned any proof so why ask him to show some? Jeez.
Aaaanyway, while I'm here I may as well drop in my $.02 on this bond. I'm somewhat with Taikun in his post above whereby some of EBANK's publicity recently is steering me away. Not because I suspect a scam, though I am naturally a cautious person. I consider EBANK to be as safe an unsecured investment as you can get, but it is still essentially unsecured and imho the ROI on this bond doesn't reflect that. Factor 1.
I also have a particularly strong distaste for bad PR, and you really need to get a handle on your outward communication. Specifically, if you see fit to have on your BoD some characters whose interpersonal skills are less than legendary, it may make sense to restrict their representation of EBANK to the boardroom. Enough said. Factor 2.
Good luck with your bond, I'm out on this one, though will watch with interest as EBANK works to repair the damage incurred over the last week or so.
Leo
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.02.15 00:40:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Leowen
Specifically, if you see fit to have on your BoD some characters whose interpersonal skills are less than legendary, it may make sense to restrict their representation of EBANK to the boardroom.
For what it is worth, membership on Ebank's BoD should not automatically be a total gagging though my innocuous advice in this thread here leads me to believe that: A: To be able to post anything on these forums I must resign from Ebank. B: If I choose to be part of Ebank I can not ever post anything again on these forums. C: Some of you just live for drama and kicking down other people's sandcastles regardless. Doesn't make a difference what I or anyone else does, someone's gonna say "ooooooh, you are so unprofessional". Well point of fact is as far as banking goes I am not professional. Banking is not my job nor am I inclined to make Eve my job. I often try to bring a sense of perspective to Ebank's deliberations by pointing out that we are trying to create what all of you think a bank should be though we have few of the same legislative recourses or regulatory hindrances. Furthermore, we are all of us not banking professionals. We do a lot of research on banking, we spend a lot of time trying to make what happens in real life possible in Ebank. (Which ain't easy.) But no one deposited because of our joy-joy customer service uber methods. Or at least no one who was the least bit aware I was on the board deposited for that reason. So, yes, I can on occasion be less than savory to some of you. I will endeavor to restrain my utter dismay at this ... ... revelation. However, truth be told, what confidence my involvement brought was not due to my winning smile in the first place. This post was not posted as an ebank director but as a person who reserves the right to have a life and, like you, a voice. Any one so dismayed may contact me in game if you wish to express a furtherance of some negative opinion regarding myself. I'd also suggest that if you have a problem with someone specific try using in game methods to resolve it before derailing and/or attempting to troll anyone's threads or posts. If you can not bring yourself to resolve this in game Ebank does have forums and I'm sure that the administrators will allow you to express your opinions even the content of that opinion might not be allowed here.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.15 18:23:00 -
[96]
4 days remaining on the Bond sale. After that, sale will be closed and the Bond will begin.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.15 19:45:00 -
[97]
I'll take 3 billion worth please.
Next Ebank Ricdic wallet update I will have over 3 billion in the sweep account.
Always a pleasure doing business with you folks.
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Proud member of the Caldari Death Squad
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Banni Vinda
The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.15 19:49:00 -
[98]
Put me down for 2 bonds please. Isk will be transferred later when I can get ingame.
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Jaarlax
Ratty Corp PLC
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.02.16 12:40:00 -
[99]
can you increase mine to 2 bonds please
i just put in a transfer of the 2nd bil from my checking account
thanks
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Slain Slaughter
R.P. Frizzink inc
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Posted - 2008.02.16 19:51:00 -
[100]
1 bond please. |
Mr Horizontal
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.17 13:40:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Tachypnea
Im interested in investing in this, but do not have 1 billion isk worth of funds available. If there are others in the same boat as me, maybe we could get together and pool some isk and buy 1 bond? If youre interested lemme know via convo in eve or in this thread.
EBANK bonds are intended to attract higher net-worth individuals who are willing and able to lock away ISK for extended periods of time. If you have 1.5b or less, I suggest you make use of the Savings and Checking accounts. This has the advantage to you of being instantly accessible should you require the ISK back in an emergency as well, as the ISK in the bond is tied up for 2 months.
Before you say the bond's rate is higher than the savings account, it is, but not nearly as much as you'd think because the accounts have daily compounding. In real terms, this means that over 60 days, the bond only outperforms a savings account by 0.7%:
Savings account over 60 days:
500,000,000 * ((1+0.00102)^60) = 531,539,178.23
Bond over 60 days:
500,000,000 * 1.07 = 535,000,000.00
So the question you should ask is whether the 3.46m difference in return is really worth the effort of buying a bond via a syndicate and whether that same 3.46m is worth having your ISK disappear for 2 months versus having instant access to it.
Last but not least, there will be more EBANK bonds
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Tachypnea
Blue Moon Rising
Blood and Steel
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Posted - 2008.02.17 17:14:00 -
[102]
Thank you horizontal. I retract my previous statement.
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Jaarlax
Ratty Corp PLC
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.02.17 18:12:00 -
[103]
way to attract more customers Mr H lol
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Mr Horizontal
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.17 18:27:00 -
[104]
Well, Ratty, all I'm trying to say is the bonds are in extension to the existing savings and checking accounts!
So put the first 500m in a Savings account, the next 1b in a Checking account and subsequent blocks of 1b in a bond.
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Syrion1984
Gallente
PezCo - Ice Services
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.18 15:23:00 -
[105]
I'd love to purchase one bond, but nowhere on the http://www.eve-bank.net/ website do I see an option to register for an account.. Any help please?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.02.18 15:50:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Syrion1984
I'd love to purchase one bond, but nowhere on the http://www.eve-bank.net/ website do I see an option to register for an account.. Any help please?
On the Ebank Faq the first paragraph describes the account creation process.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean.
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Syrion1984
Gallente
PezCo - Ice Services
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.18 15:58:00 -
[107]
Cheers for that 
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Ryu Kibegami
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:25:00 -
[108]
Money transfered to sweep account for 1 bond
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SencneS
Amarr
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:19:00 -
[109]
I'm going to offer this one time for one person.
If you are unable to come up with 1billion ISK but still wish to take part in this offer I will go half in with you.
Here is how it works.
You will send me 500mil ISK, Which I will deposit into my sweep account along with my 500mil ISK.
I will then purchase the bond.
Assuming the bond is completed by EBank, at the end of 60 days, You will get your 500mil back + your half of the interest gained on the Bond. If for whatever reason EBank choses to cancel the bond you will get your 500mil back.
First person to deposit the ISK and post on this thread gets go half in a bond with me.
Continuation:-
If there is enough demand I will also track and purchase bonds on people's behalf, Send me (My character SencneS) the ISK in game, going from the top down I'll purchase bonds until I am unable to purchase any more. You'll get the interest of the bond depending on the part of the bond you're purchasing.
Player 1 - Sends 400mil
Player 2 - Sends 200mil
Player 3 - Sends 500mil
Player 1 gets 40%
Player 2 gets 20%
Player 3 gets 40%
Assuming no one else send money, Player 3 would get 100mil back from me at the closing of the bond offer. At the end of 60 days player 3 would get 40% of the interest etc.
This will be done manually via an excel sheet for tracking. As this is my own personal doing and not that of EBanks. I'm offering this service by myself and not as a part of EBank, Although the bond itself will be secured by EBank, this personal offer is not to be considered a part of EBank.
This is all about how much you trust me, do no address questions about this offer with any other members of EBank. You can EVE-Mail me or contact me in game if you have questions.
If at the request of EBanks board of directors they do not wish me to continue this offer I will stop and all ISK will be returned to their owner.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.19 18:59:00 -
[110]
Closed.
Everyone who has publically and privately contacted us about buying into this Bond will see the Bond appear in their EBANK account summary page within the next 48 hours. I'll post again once this is complete.
The maturation date for the Bond will be exactly 60 days from today. This date will be displayed with the Bond when it appears in your account page.
Please make sure that the funds are in your EBANK account. Preferably in your sweep, but if you're ONLY buying 1 billion worth, it can be in your checking account.
That's it. 
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.19 19:16:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Imperius Blackheart on 19/02/2008 19:17:06
Damn just too late :( I was gonna request a 4th bond and just deposited the money.
There was apparently 25 billion of bonds left can I squeese one last one out of you?
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Proud member of the Caldari Death Squad
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Admiral Grevious
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Posted - 2008.02.19 19:29:00 -
[112]
Question - at the close of the bond...how will the funds be returned to investors? Into a checking account? Sweep?
Thank you.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.02.19 19:34:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Admiral Grevious
Question - at the close of the bond...how will the funds be returned to investors? Into a checking account? Sweep?
Thank you.
Since most people will already have money in the interest bearing accounts which are capped at 1B (the minimum value of this bond) I would assume it will be deposited into your sweeps account. Anything else would be breaking their own caps.
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.19 20:43:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Imperius Blackheart on 19/02/2008 20:49:23
Edit wrong thread.
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.22 08:47:00 -
[115]
Whats going on with this atm? My 4 billion is still in the sweep account.
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Proud member of the Caldari Death Squad
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Red Metal
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Posted - 2008.02.22 09:41:00 -
[116]
Same here ,also got 1 bill. in my sweep account .
Maybe it takes a bit longer to modify Ebank to show bonds.
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.02.22 12:34:00 -
[117]
Thanks guys. Hexxx is on a small break from Eve getting some RL issues worked out. He will be back in the next few days and finalise all this. It needs to be done manually like the first batch. Also, I do believe the clock has already started ticking for maturity so won't be much longer.
Finally, all bonds are sold
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=500043
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.22 13:15:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Ricdic
Edited by: Ricdic on 22/02/2008 13:13:44
Thanks guys. Hexxx is on a small break from Eve getting some RL issues worked out. He will be back in the next few days and finalise all this. It needs to be done manually like the first batch. Also, I do believe the clock has already started ticking for maturity so won't be much longer.
Finally, all bonds are sold
edit: I have updated our news article to advise client's who may not be following this thread.
Cheers all.
Thanks for the update Ricdic.
And sorry I never got back to you on that evemail you sent me a couple of weeks ago, not avoiding you bloody thing didn't show up until last night though.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.22 16:29:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Imperius Blackheart
Originally by: Ricdic
Edited by: Ricdic on 22/02/2008 13:13:44
Thanks guys. Hexxx is on a small break from Eve getting some RL issues worked out. He will be back in the next few days and finalise all this. It needs to be done manually like the first batch. Also, I do believe the clock has already started ticking for maturity so won't be much longer.
Finally, all bonds are sold
edit: I have updated our news article to advise client's who may not be following this thread.
Cheers all.
Thanks for the update Ricdic.
And sorry I never got back to you on that evemail you sent me a couple of weeks ago, not avoiding you bloody thing didn't show up until last night though.
Guys; the clock on the Bonds started the second I closed the Bond sale, so please don't worry about this aspect.
I do apologize for not having your Bonds visible sooner, I'm going to try and tackle this tonight and do some other work related to EBANK.
As Ricdic mentioned I'm in the middle of a semi-holiday from EVE for a few days to recharge my batteries. I'll be pretty quiet for the next few days and then get back to a more regular schedule.
We've still got this Bond sale to wrap up and after that, yet ANOTHER monthly EBANK report which will be in a brand-new format!
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.26 03:09:00 -
[120]
Update:
I think I've gotten Bonds to all those who reserved them. You should be able to login and view your Bond(s) on the account summary page. The maturation date is 4/19 for this one.
I think we have one or two private buyers that I'll take care of shortly but other than that, if you DON'T see your Bond(s) please let me know.
Lastly, yes, I know the maturation date isn't listed...but it's in the database. I'm still updating the interface on our test server, I'm hoping to release some new stuff before too long though.
We have a MASSIVE monthly report/newsletter that we're releasing at the end of the week. That's it for now.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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