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Lord Evangelian Gallente LEAP Corp	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:21:00 - [1] I just went for a cig and was thinking, Jita is carebear/trade central with an abnormal amount of highsec ganking. The number of people in local is in its hundreds, CCP have tried alot of thinks to combat this, but as far as I have seen no one has thought of this idea as a solution. Lower/raise the sec status every week of a system depending on the number of outlaw activity, by this I mean: - System (Fot this case Jita): lower raise sec status by 0.1 if 100 ships are destroyed per week. This would eventually turn jita into lowsec...and like the rest of lowsec in eve Deserted...:) Jita would eventualy move to another system and the same thing would happen lol... PS: if you think this is insta-epifail, flame away its purely the rablings of me while smoking lol... --------------------
Aceoil D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:26:00 - [2] Bad idea indeed. The amount of complaints and petitions this would cause would cripple the CCP customer service response times, and cause people to leave EvE en masse. Jita is the market hub. We are just going to have to deal with it. In the same way your local mall is a market hub, and the parking spots fill up fast on weekends.
Raiz N'Hell Gallente Deep Space Ventures Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:27:00 - [3] Silly idea. About as silly as the whole 'fail' fad that has taken on lately... Kind of like 'pwn' of 2000. _________________________________ CEO of DeepSpaceVentures Mining/Industry/PVP/PVE 6-8+ Mil SP Pilots Welcome! Multiple systems to rat and play in.
Jesnen Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:32:00 - [4] ccp should just put a inactivity timer on accounts logged into jita, 30mins without doing anything = disconnect. That would cut down on the number of people in jita nicely.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:33:00 - [5] My first post on this forum: Jita, Concord, donuts, and chaos... People didn't go for it then, either. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:35:00 - [6] Originally by: Jesnen ccp should just put a inactivity timer on accounts logged into jita, 30mins without doing anything = disconnect. That would cut down on the number of people in jita nicely. they should take all production lines out of jita as well so people dont idle and do stuff there too.
Lord Evangelian Gallente LEAP Corp	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Roy Batty68 My first post on this forum: Jita, Concord, donuts, and chaos... People didn't go for it then, either. :( lol ok.... Lock request....Im off to watch [nsfw]this[/nsfw] while I wait for the firewall to come up so I can play and get my EVE fix... --------------------
William Darkk Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:45:00 - [8] Really, I think the solution to Jita-like things is to have the fees NPCs charge rise with the amount of people in system. It makes sense if you think about it from a real world perspective - how much does an apartment cost in NYC vs BFE Alabama? -------------------------------------------------- <3 my Drones
Kwint Sommer Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:45:00 - [9] Why do there seem to be so many people that don't understand or just don't care about how the economy works..... Let me try to explain something, Jita is where virtually all public trade in moon minerals and advanced materials occurs. These are what all T2 stuff is made from. Without it we don't have T2. Introduce instability to the trading of these and you get fluctuations in availability and price of T2 stuff. Make it impossible to have extremely centralized trade (as your posts suggests) and you'll see a severe reaction in T2 prices.... 5% Mining & Manufacturing Implants
Angel DeMorphis Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Lord Evangelian Lower/raise the sec status every week of a system depending on the number of outlaw activity, by this I mean: So, if I live in a downtown city, I get police protection. However, the more murders/robberies/whatever crime occurs in that city, the less police protection I get? Not only would this idea be bad for Eve, it just doesn't make sense. My sig taken from this site. [IMAGE REMOVED]
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.02.15 19:05:00 - [11] They don't want to move Jita. It's on the best server hardware that they have, it has its own server, and, sure, it's laggy, but it's monitored and as stable as it can be. The worst thing that can happen from CCP's point of view is players leaving Jita to move somewhere else. That would mean a lot of work for CCP in monitoring and setting up the new place so it can handle the 800+ people that would flock to it. A lot of work for no difference in the end. They don't want people to move.
Frug True Foundation R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.02.15 19:43:00 - [12] I've noticed other market hubs getting better (at least for what I search them for) in recent months. That means Jita is less appealing. Personally I don't view Jita as a problem. I pass through it frequently. Rarely do I get stuck, and I'm always prepared to get stuck when I go there. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Hae t'Redd Baptism oF Fire VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.15 20:02:00 - [13] Every time I read a 'nerf Jita' thread it reminds me of the people who complain about how TV shows are corrupting their kid, but they still let the kid watch. If you don't like Jita, don't go there. Rens and Ammar are ----> that way.
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2008.02.15 20:10:00 - [14] Edited by: Korizan on 15/02/2008 20:11:26 The very idea of dynamic security ratings I do find interesting. However doing it effectively would be a challenge. THere is also the issue of newbie zones which should be impossible to change. But I could see lowsec turning to 0.0 or even highsec before returning to its normal levels do to other influences. But I think there would be too many technical & gameplay issues that would come up to let it happen. But it is interesting to think about
Haradgrim The Wild Bunch INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.02.15 20:17:00 - [15] Dynamic security is what EVE is missing imho, however, if they put it in; the sonic manifold createed by the collective wail of every carebear and newb loosing their ISK making hubs would destroy the universe, so that idea was shelved Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
ExcellciuM Exair Industries United Connection's	Posted - 2008.02.15 23:37:00 - [16] I can imagine the red sea that is 0.0 spreading like wild fire over the entirety of eve within a month or so. The red hole that is Jita will be the first to go followed by the systems that border with 0.0 and low sec, Orvelle will drop like a light, Piekura will have mass gankage at the Ice field as all those flashy red blobs invade. Sobaseki will run riot with Tri's super caps within hours. I do hope the empires have their cyno jammers ready
Finuval Amarr The SAS The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.02.15 23:42:00 - [17] I tend to avoid Jita for the simple reason is Amarr is becoming quite the trade hub too and it's closer. I think someday Amarr will become as congested as Jita.
Technovar Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.02.16 00:10:00 - [18] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Why do there seem to be so many people that don't understand or just don't care about how the economy works..... Let me try to explain something, Jita is where virtually all public trade in moon minerals and advanced materials occurs. These are what all T2 stuff is made from. Without it we don't have T2. Introduce instability to the trading of these and you get fluctuations in availability and price of T2 stuff. Make it impossible to have extremely centralized trade (as your posts suggests) and you'll see a severe reaction in T2 prices.... Hmm...so there'll be a free market, and competition? This is bad....how? Perhaps some of us have a pretty good idea how the economy works, but still would like to see the tendency towards forming a superultramega hub countered, perhaps in a way that mirrors the issues in a real market. Taxes and rents should be insane in Jita, not just annoying. However, that should be a response to how much trade is going on there. Crowd more people into an area, and crime will go up. There are natural limits to super-hubs forming. Jita exists mostly due to the lack of many of them in this model.
Technovar Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.02.16 00:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Angel DeMorphis Originally by: Lord Evangelian Lower/raise the sec status every week of a system depending on the number of outlaw activity, by this I mean: So, if I live in a downtown city, I get police protection. However, the more murders/robberies/whatever crime occurs in that city, the less police protection I get? Not only would this idea be bad for Eve, it just doesn't make sense. Well, it's more due to population, but there's a point at which an urban core exceeds the capacity of the police to inhibit crime. I'm not quite in favor of the OP, but the crowded areas should be responding to the crowding. Limited total number of CONCORD spawns per hour? Eh, that'd get exploited quickly. I'm in favor of taxes, fees and rents going up in proportion to crowding, at the very least.
Wadaya Caldari Trailerpark Industries	Posted - 2008.02.16 00:34:00 - [20] God please sticky this thread so there aren't new ones about Jita every day. Wad
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP	Posted - 2008.02.16 00:58:00 - [21] I think interbus is a good idea and have always wondered why it hasn't been implemented. I think that most of the fears people have about it ruining courier contracts aren't valid. Moving freight, or valuable items should be left to courier missions. While the small stuff should be left to interbus. Things that interbus should be able to handle (in limited quantities): - Ammunition - Non Special Ship Fittings (no faction items) I believe that even if it was introduced in this way there would be alot less people in jita. I know I wouldn't go to jita if I could buy my guns and ammo at a decent price,and quantity without going into the den of the lagmonster. Weapons Linking
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.02.16 01:20:00 - [22] Originally by: Jesnen ccp should just put a inactivity timer on accounts logged into jita, 30mins without doing anything = disconnect. That would cut down on the number of people in jita nicely. I like this idea a lot, seeing jita at 1300 on weekends is disgusting when a 100 person fleet battle wont load for at least 30% of the participants. The only concern I have is how many mouse moving bots will this bring into eve and what kind of performance hit will be caused by all those ****ty alts relogging constantly when they get booted.
Sepinor Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.02.16 01:29:00 - [23] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Why do there seem to be so many people that don't understand or just don't care about how the economy works..... Let me try to explain something, Jita is where virtually all public trade in moon minerals and advanced materials occurs. These are what all T2 stuff is made from. Without it we don't have T2. Introduce instability to the trading of these and you get fluctuations in availability and price of T2 stuff. Make it impossible to have extremely centralized trade (as your posts suggests) and you'll see a severe reaction in T2 prices.... Or.. you can hire people into your corp to mine and manufacture T2 items for your members, and supply fuel to your PoS's. Novel idea I know but loss of a market hub won't effect the game to the extreme you are talking of. I made a living in DAoC as a level 17 hero that could make siege weapons for only one guild. What would be so hard about getting a few industrialists into your corp?
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.02.16 07:59:00 - [24] Originally by: umop 3pisdn Originally by: Jesnen ccp should just put a inactivity timer on accounts logged into jita, 30mins without doing anything = disconnect. That would cut down on the number of people in jita nicely. I like this idea a lot, seeing jita at 1300 on weekends is disgusting when a 100 person fleet battle wont load for at least 30% of the participants. The only concern I have is how many mouse moving bots will this bring into eve and what kind of performance hit will be caused by all those ****ty alts relogging constantly when they get booted. I've never seen it anywhere near 1300, 700+ is max. I hope you're not relying on the map for your figures?
Lord Evangelian Gallente LEAP Corp	Posted - 2008.02.16 10:05:00 - [25] Jeez...I already spilled failsuace all over my screen... Why is this thread continueing lol.... --------------------
Gareth Thomas	Posted - 2008.02.16 12:42:00 - [26] When you Jump into Jita you should be presented with a list of stations to select from. You will then be docked into the station you selected in the list. When you select undock you should be given a choice as to which system you would like to jump to. This eliminates some of the lag caused by ships fly to and from each gate as it would be impossible to fly around inside the system. Just a thought.
Sikozu Prioris Suns Of Korhal deadspace society	Posted - 2008.02.16 13:30:00 - [27] I send my minions into jita every few days and nearly all the time I experience little lag at all. Dont know what people always complain about. Lol
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2008.02.28 08:56:00 - [28] CCP have said what causes the lag, and people logged in doing nothing don't. People moving stuff around / buying / selling, ganking etc are causing it. If you had just players sitting in the station, you could probably log all 40,000 players on at once in the same system and it wouldn't lag. Just as long as no more people actually 'did' anything than currently. That's the problem, the more people there, the more that are actually 'doing' things. If you do something that requires server attention, that's when it lags. (and no the chat system itself won't be much of the lag either).
Cat Casidy	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:11:00 - [29] wouldn't this idea quickly turn high fun zone lowsec areas quickly into 0.0? the idea seems counter-intuitive, your idea paraphrased... "more crime means less response from the police" , turning over control of a system to the lawbreakers and forcing law abiding people to pack and move, not to mention all the different pos rules that apply to the sec of a system causing untold ammounts of grief as system sec starts changing on a weekly/daily basis My two cents..... you owe me a nickle now btw
Taua Roqa Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:14:00 - [30] pure winrar for windows 95 second edition. i think dynamic sec rating would be cool, but i don't have to deal with the logistics of a huge corp so my opinion is pretty worthless. -------------------------------------------- [IMAGE REMOVED] Threads are stacking-nerfed; the more posts you add the less effective those posts are. My I/Q Ration!!!11

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