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Posted - 2012.02.16 12:51:00 -
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I just played around a bit, and so far I really dislike the fact that mouseover locks your overview.
Think about it. when you're in space, at least half the time your mouse is on your overview meaning its locked half the time.
In small fights it will be a hell to see who is closest, who warped off, who warped in, etc
And i dont even want to think about what it does to missions/plexes/incursions where you have about 50 targets or 1000 man fleet battles.
what the hell was wrong with the old system, when holding ctrl locked it?
that made sense. you only hold ctrl if you're gonna lock something and thats the only time you need the overview to stop moving. |
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:50:00 -
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i just went afk for 10 mins on one of the busiest empire gates. Accidentally left my mouse on the overview. Whoops!
does anyone at ccp actually still play eve? 
anyway, i read above me that some people actually like it. so make it optional, give us a dropdown where we can choose between hold-ctrl or mouseover for overview freeze. Or take it out again :( |
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:00:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:When using more than 1 monitor, the overview will freeze on the monitor without current mouse focus on it. This happens even when running in fixed window mode.
The freezing of overview on the monitor without focus is really bad for people duelboxing in pvp sorting by distance, and will cause deaths i fear
edit: nvm guy above me already explained it |
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:31:00 -
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Aquila Draco wrote:Sorry but...
Why noone of ppl who complains after every patch dont come to SiSi and test anything there and give feedback before change goes live???
You ppl like when devs spend their time in vain on reading complains after change is live and then changing changes because few ppl dont like it?
because i pay money for TQ.
edit: i'm all for occasionally testing stuff on sisi, but don't act like it's a responsibility we have. People do it either because they can spare the time, or because they want to get some kind of advantage out of it |
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:31:00 -
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Elanor Vega wrote:
I am not talking about mains of that ppl that complain.
I am talking about botting alts that finance that combat records of some ppl.
And for your information, EVE is not all about pew pew combat, there are other kinds of combat that don't give you killmails.
I have no f'ing idea what you're trying to get at. If you suspect anyone specific int this thread uses a bot alt call them out.
BTW, I don't need bots. i make enough to 'finance my combat main'
Now am i allowed to complain about the overview changes? please sir? or did you have any actual arguments to bring into the discussion that i missed?
Ranger 1 wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:khm,khm
Overview changes broke someones botts? Check the combat records of the people who are complaining then check the non-existent combat records of those that arnt. Then check yourself. Feel free to check mine. Most of the complains here center around a muscle memory issue that will take a day or so to retrain... get used to putting your mouse over the overview when you want to freeze it to target or broadcast, and over other critical area's (like changing already locked targets, activating/deactivating modules, changing your heading) at other times. The ctrl/freeze behavior needed to change, badly, and this HAS been mentioned many times. for obvious reasons. The issues that do need tweaking are the column width/header issues, and multiple client behavior when the mouse changes screen. Neither one is major, and will likely be a fairly quick fix. Placement of new target and broadcast targets when the overview is frozen may need to be looked at as well. I fully understand the desire for heavily combat oriented pilots to not have to look around or try to do something differently when in the midst of combat. We wish to be able to do certain things without having to think about it, so as to pay attention to more important things... this means when a change occurs it will likely receive a poor reception at first. This is understandable, but frankly some of the responses have been pretty silly. I would suggest trying it for a few days before you pass judgement, allow yourself time to get used to it. The advantages are pretty obvious once you get past old habits.
Yes and no. Of course we can get used to the new mechanics, but it is not an improvement. Go check some PVP videos or go out and shoot some some people yourself. You'll notice that more than half of the time your mouse is in the overview area. Locking the overview when needed is great, but having it lock up all the time is not. |
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:51:00 -
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so in a fleet of 200, 199 have to suffer so the FC can broadcast more easily?
also Ranger 1, please tone it down with the 'you're all stubborn and need to get used to it' comments. Do you seriously think 90% of the posts in this thread would be about the overview locking if it were a case of old habits die hard?
here, i drew a picture: http://onebit.us/x/i/16b8cfc6.jpg
I think that overview layout is representative for the majority of combat oriented players
green is where 90% of the action took place, red is where we have to all the time now. Not to mention you first have to move your mouse OUT of the overview if you want it to update :S
(im sorry its a pve picture, i only had 3 screenshots in my folder) |
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:01:00 -
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i cringed when this almost turned into a I HAS MORE KILLS THAN YOU SO I KNOW BETTER kinda thread, however
Ranger 1 wrote:Feel free to check mine.
i hadnt checked yet.  You do know the year is 2012 right? i cant even remember what the mechanics were like in 2010 but i know that CTRL'ing on the overview still worked. You're still free to have an opinion but please stop lecturing people that 'they don't know any better' |
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:38:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Funkert wrote:i cringed when this almost turned into a I HAS MORE KILLS THAN YOU SO I KNOW BETTER kinda thread, however Ranger 1 wrote:Feel free to check mine. i hadnt checked yet. You do know the year is 2012 right? i cant even remember what the mechanics were like in 2010 but i know that CTRL'ing on the overview still worked. You're still free to have an opinion but please stop lecturing people that 'they don't know any better' You do realize that Ranger 1 is merely my industrial alt, not one of my more combat oriented characters right?
i'll take that as a yes to my question then
(also what then is the use of 'feel free to check mine')
ontopic: we never fly bigger than 50 man gangs, but we very rarely use broadcasts for targeting. And fc's seem to have done fine up to this point ^^ every single pilot ive spoken to that had undocked today disliked the new OV though |
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:16:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Problems that are not CCP's fault:
Habitually having the "default" position of your mouse to be constantly over the overview. This is merely muscle memory and can easily be changed.
Have new targets appearing on grid always appear at the top of the list (but just under any broadcast targets)... which will
probably need a visual clue that these targets are new and outside your normal sort order.
first part: this is not just 'habitual', this is 'optimal' in most cases. you want us to start doing something 'suboptimal' just to prove that we can change our habits?
second part: sounded good the first time i read it, then i though about it.
scenario1: you're involved in a hisec war and you're fighting WT's on the perimeter gate in jita. Every ship that's new to the grid will end up on top?
scenario2: you're in a 400v400 fleetbattle and one group of 20 hostiles keep warping on and off the grid (bombers perhaps). Your FC decides to ignore them. So every time they uncloak your other targets will get pushed 20 spots down? |
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Posted - 2012.02.17 01:31:00 -
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im getting out of these forums again because its making my hair gray and my teeth grindy
I am aware that people play the game in different ways and use their UI in different ways too.
However, I assume that my playstyle and especially my UI usage are common for alot of people. I say this having seen lots of screenshots and video's of people playing EVE.
And at the moment, for my activities, the overview locking is very frustrating and has me A: make more mouse movements and B: actually see less of what is going on around me
so, to sum it up:
JUST GIVE US A DAMN BUTTON CCP |
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