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Dimitry Kalashnikov
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Posted - 2008.02.15 23:38:00 -
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I'm a bit conflicted when it comes to employment history. When flying with my original character, I had a hard time picking a fight because he was from '05 and thus people presumed "OMG HIGH SP! AVOID OR DIE!". Before I continue let me state a few things in my own defence.
-I am aware that SP does not equal skill
-I am aware that not everyone reacts in this manner
-I am aware that there are many people which started before '05
Now thats out of the way, frankly, I've been through enough PvP ops with TONS of different people and see the reactions people express when they see a presumed high SP character. It's either a) Engage with a big gang or b) Run. Of course some people engage, there are exceptions to all rules.
Personally I believe that if we remove the dates on employment history it would be better for PvP. I realize that reasons of recruitment, employment history dates are important, but maybe they can be somehow provided at the player's discretion via ingame means? Now this is just a sketch idea and I haven't thought it through completely and it's sure to have holes and such so please don't spaz out. I also thinks this adds somewhat of a bigger challange to PvP, because you don't know what to expect as much.
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The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun! |
Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.16 01:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Aprudena Gist
employment history should be erase if a paied character transfer is done.
Now THAT I agree with. I purchased this character (with isk) and did the character transfer and now everyone thinks I was was dumb enough to join Goonswarm. 
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The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun! |
Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.16 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: K'racker
employment history is pretty far down the list of things to check if you're worrying about engaging someone. right in there with their bio.. ;p better off paying attention to flight characteristics if they're on grid with you, or pounding the scanner for ship type.
You see you're right, you SHOULD be looking at flight characteristics and ship type. Unfortunately, thats not always the case. People usually just Right Click + Show Info then dock.
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The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun! |
Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.16 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Elienee
Only corp thief's, corp grievers, and extreme PVP oriented characters want to remove the employment history. Its a great tool to see what a player have been up to. Its also a telltale on those who jump to NPC corps, when their corp get wardeced (this seems to apply too both carebears and lowsec pirates).
Hence the reason it was suggested that corp history only show to the corp you've applied to or are planning to apply to through some ingame feature. That is the sole reason for Corp History, simply as part of the recruitment process. It's just used by others as a means of determining whether or not you should engage the pilot (and its not even accurate, mostly based on assumption). It's the same as how people are asking to have local removed because people use it as a method of detection.
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The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun! |
Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.17 18:11:00 -
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Ok, its evident that some people are either not reading fully or not understanding. In the end, this is the system that I'd like to see.
1) When someone right clicks and clicks show info, there is no employment history tab.
2) When someone applys to a corporation, all members of the corporation/alliance can now right click and show info and see the employment history.
3) When someone does a character transfer, that will be shown in the employment history that the character was transfered on X Date and Time.
This will enable corporations to still catch spies and such but the employment history as it is now is frankly quite flawed. Lets say I wanted to join BoB and fit all their requirements, I probably wouldn't because I have Goonswarm on my employment history. *I* have never been on Goonswarm before, but the previous owner of this character was. So why should I suffer his choices. Sins of the father and all that.
Furthermore the comment has been made that:
"Employment history is a awesome tool for gang spotting, etc, especially if you remember who's friends with who and such things."
and I 100% agree, but the fact of the matter is, thats not how it was intended to be used. I hate to associate EVE with real life but realistically speaking we don't all walk around earth with our Resumes taped to our chests.
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The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun! |
Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.18 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Danari
I like the history the way it is. Some of my funnest solo kills came back when I had the ASCN tag and got improbable fights such as maller on claw, blackbird on jag, moa on ishkur, etc. [Tri][VSQ]Danari in these same ships 100 times out of 100 won't get aggressed.
On the reverse, I've had some impressive surprises, such as a battle-iteron, and Ramireza in an Osprey on a toon named Caldari Citizen... bbq me. Would I have taken on Ramireza in any cruiser in the game in my Sabre? Oh hell no.
The way I see it, none of those fights occur because there's nothing to represent lack of street cred to prompt aggression.
What are you talking about?
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The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun! |
Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.18 13:13:00 -
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I had no choice but to buy my toon. I was one of those unfortunate people that didn't listen when people told me "Don't sell your main!", but I did and put the isk on my alt because I was quitting. Upon my return (addicted) I was forced to sell my carebear alt to buy this PvP character.
However the thing is, I don't have a problem with people running away from the age of THIS character. It's the main that I sold, which obviously, I no longer use. So you can see that the main point of this thread was based on past experience and not self interest. I didn't even think of the character transfer thing till someone mentioned it, and frankly it's a great idea.
I will however say one last time. I do not want Employment History wiped clean. I simply want it concealed from the average Joe and make it only visible to corps that you join or are trying to join.
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The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun! |
Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiun
Erasing the employment history on a char transfer doesn't make sense. What keeps say a scammer from transfering his character twice between two of his accounts or between the account of a friend and his own?
The idea of the employment history was that in eve your reputation counts. You can't just use the "get out of jail" card if you screwed up.
Of course the existence of char transfers itself has watered down the principle. So imo it would be best to just ban all character transfers and be done with it.
Not erase. Just have a little marker in there saying "Character Transfered on X Date and Time".
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The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun! |
Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.19 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiun
Edited by: Wu Jiun on 19/02/2008 13:44:44
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
I mean wow, are you just dumb or something?
Take your medication ahole.
Edit: And yes erasing the employment history has been proposed in this thread.
Lol, thats my sig 
I mean wow, are you just dumb or something? |
Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.19 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiun
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Edit: And yes erasing the employment history has been proposed in this thread.
Lol, thats my sig
Ouch. Ok, i firmly apologize. For me it looked like you were throwing insults at me although i just meant to comment on some of the ideas raised here (not by you specifically though).
Thats the intention of the sig.
I mean wow, are you just dumb or something? |
Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.03.04 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Deadman
3) When leaving a Corp you should have to give a reason for leaving (not just other) and this should show up on your employment history.
Well wouldn't this be kind of redundant? I mean people would just put what they want without having any means of proving what they wrote making it as about as useful as Corp Member Titles.
I mean wow, are you just dumb or something? |
Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.03.04 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Robis Doyal
im from 06 and just got my ship killed in basgerin by a poorly skilled player named tori in a ship just 1 class above mine and she made away with great ship equipment she has only been around a year or less you can't judge a person by their start date
No, you can't. But people do. Haven't you been reading?
I mean wow, are you just dumb or something? |
Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.03.04 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Robis Doyal
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Originally by: Robis Doyal
im from 06 and just got my ship killed in basgerin by a poorly skilled player named tori in a ship just 1 class above mine and she made away with great ship equipment she has only been around a year or less you can't judge a person by their start date
No, you can't. But people do. Haven't you been reading?
im replying to the orignal post... moron
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
-I am aware that SP does not equal skill
-I am aware that not everyone reacts in this manner
-I am aware that there are many people which started before '05
So I ask again. Haven't you been reading?
I mean wow, are you just dumb or something? |
Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.03.04 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Robis Doyal
Edited by: Robis Doyal on 04/03/2008 16:28:50
Im afraid it is you that are a dumb tard my friend. You stated a matter of conflict in-game and what you think would resolve the problem. Pointless? Yes because nothing will happen, thread was a waste of space, time, and gameplay. However making this thread led other (such as me) to post on what we think about and situations where this has ocured or was disregarded. So back to my post i offered an experiance that just happend today to add to the list of posts. Therefor...
1. I am not dumb(which i might add is a childish word)
2. Your a moron if you did not guess to have irelevent posts added to your irelevent thread.
3. Moron adds class use it to boost your charisma skill.
4.Pwn3
I see. So stating an idea in the forum because you think nothing will happen makes it pointless? Well you've pretty much summed up that you shouldn't be listened to. As well I believe that the first person to resort to hurling insults immediately shows that he has no argument and furthermore, is the "dumb" one.
I mean wow, are you just dumb or something? |
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