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PaulAtreides	Posted - 2004.04.01 10:48:00 - [1] Edited by: PaulAtreides on 01/04/2004 10:55:30 Cataclysm Enterprises who are still part of TPA (The Pheonix Alliance) are pirates. The have been repeatedly shooting down allied ships in the region with claims that they made a mistake (Happened to my Alliance 2ce). Personally I have a vendetta against them because they shot me down in my own region. They claimed that I was a pirate and that if I can prove otherwise they would return my valuables that they L0073d from me (Around 300 million worth in minerals, excluding implants and a Battleship with mods)(omgwtfpwned). I asked then if Galavet (CEO RKK) would be sufficient proof of this...he (Hyop) said yes. I invited Galavet to the convo and he confirmed everything for me. After Galavet left the convo, Hyop changed feet and said he will have to take a corp vote on the subject first and will get back to me the following day. At this stage I became very suspect of anything that they said to me. The next day I followed through with formality and convo'd him again... his first words were...Sorry to inform you... His explanation as to why they decided to keep my minerals: Quote: [ 2004.03.29 16:56:20 ] Hyop > for your stuff [ 2004.03.29 16:56:27 ] Hyop > the corp [ 2004.03.29 16:56:57 ] Hyop > decided that we cant do that...as we lost like 2billions in the last FA war And for some reason I should be punished because you guys donÆt know how to fight and throw your ships in the enemyÆs path, hoping that sacramental will somehow slow them down? Quote: [ 2004.03.29 16:57:06 ] Hyop > but [ 2004.03.29 16:57:22 ] Hyop > i personally think, its not fair Great Consolation Prize!! More stone-cold logic followed shortly: Quote: [ 2004.03.29 16:59:39 ] Hyop > look at this their way [ 2004.03.29 16:59:54 ] Hyop > they lost alot of ships fighting pirats [ 2004.03.29 17:00:17 ] Hyop > and they where after you thinking they where after pirats [ 2004.03.29 17:00:37 ] Hyop > we know the are wrong [ 2004.03.29 17:03:56 ] Hyop > ists all about personal loss [ 2004.03.29 17:04:18 ] PaulAtreides > not just personal loss [ 2004.03.29 17:04:29 ] Hyop > but you should see the 7 guys who risked their BS while going after "pirates" [ 2004.03.29 17:04:56 ] Hyop > i can understand both parts in this [ 2004.03.29 17:05:21 ] PaulAtreides > well...tbh i cant see how you keeping that is right [ 2004.03.29 17:05:44 ] PaulAtreides > you should earn your money back by killing other pirates [ 2004.03.29 17:05:47 ] Hyop > we lost bs fighting vs m0o/evol and the other corps going to pirate This is somehow my fault? At this stage in the convo Cataclysm shot down a RKK ship. Quote: [ 2004.03.29 17:08:23 ] Hyop > one second, we just killed a rkk [ 2004.03.29 17:08:28 ] PaulAtreides > doh [ 2004.03.29 17:08:39 ] Hyop > as the hire pirates [ 2004.03.29 17:08:54 ] Hyop > and we dont care [ 2004.03.29 17:09:14 ] Hyop > i will give you 50m [ 2004.03.29 17:09:27 ] Hyop > to cover your losses w00t IM RICH!! Of course I did not accept. Quote: [ 2004.03.29 17:24:18 ] Hyop > paul [ 2004.03.29 17:24:19 ] Hyop > sorry [ 2004.03.29 17:24:37 ] Hyop > i got a conversation with rkk open atm [ 2004.03.29 17:24:55 ] Hyop > as they dont like what we just did :) [ 2004.03.29 17:25:05 ] Hyop > its like that every evening [ 2004.03.29 17:25:28 ] Hyop > pirate-no pirateanymore-anti-pirate [ 2004.03.29 17:25:55 ] Hyop > wisch we just decided to be pk¦lers [ 2004.03.29 17:25:57 ] Hyop > :) [ 2004.03.29 17:26:11 ] PaulAtreides > i dont understand? [ 2004.03.29 17:26:14 ] Hyop > pod around and tell everxbody to stuf [ 2004.03.29 17:26:30 ] Hyop > stfu [ 2004.03.29 17:26:32 ] Hyop > :) The convo terminated at this point, and I immediately got hold of Raven DeBlade of Bladerunners. Bladerunners are a highly respected anti-pirate corp and are also considered a top PvP corp. I told Raven DeBlade of my plight and his response was "Hyop sounds retarded" - I fully agree. I asked Raven to look into the matter for me as CE are supposed to comply with TPA code and they have most certainly not done so. The next day I convo'd Hyop again to ask him again for my positions back. Quote: [ 2004.03.30 19:52:49 ] Hyop > hi [ 2004.03.30 19:52:55 ] PaulAtreides > hi there :) [ 2004.03.30 19:53:19 ] PaulAtreides > has Raven gotten hold of you? [ 2004.03.30 19:54:07 ] Hyop > raven? [ 2004.03.30 19:54:12 ] PaulAtreides > de blade [ 2004.03.30 19:54:20 ] Hyop > yes [ 2004.03.30 19:55:00 ] Hyop > bringing that this way around has lowered your chances to 0% btw :) [ 2004.03.30 19:55:18 ] Hyop > my whole corp is ****ed [ 2004.03.30 19:55:24 ] PaulAtreides > my chances were always 0%...lets not kid each other I asked why him and his corp have decided to take this stance. His response: Next Page... Want to work for me?
PaulAtreides	Posted - 2004.04.01 10:56:00 - [2] Quote: [ 2004.03.30 19:57:02 ] Hyop > ok.. [ 2004.03.30 19:57:05 ] Hyop > your right [ 2004.03.30 19:57:07 ] PaulAtreides > well then why did you decide to do it? [ 2004.03.30 19:57:09 ] Hyop > we a pirats [ 2004.03.30 19:57:26 ] Hyop > read above [ 2004.03.30 19:57:32 ] PaulAtreides > right And there you have it. Pirate hunters now have a new target. TPA...I assume you will hand out punishment for treason to your codes of conduct... Flame away...(I mean flame elsewhere actually). Want to work for me?
John Zeppe	Posted - 2004.04.01 10:59:00 - [3] If this is true, I'm sure the PA will take appropriate actions against CE. Don't blame the whole alliance already.
hazeb	Posted - 2004.04.01 11:23:00 - [4] Edited by: hazeb on 01/04/2004 11:30:00 Edited by: hazeb on 01/04/2004 11:29:35 the PA take acting againts their own corps.. hahahahahahahahahah... give me a sec im still laffing. Yeah right! Paul, we had an incident with these guys this week. They seem to be a law among themselves. Shooting who ever they feel they want to. For a once respected anti-pirate alliance I am surprised the PA has allowed these guys fly under their flag. Our incident was resolved after we went give them some RKK loving. Haze
John Zeppe	Posted - 2004.04.01 11:29:00 - [5] Edited by: John Zeppe on 01/04/2004 11:30:23 Quote: the PA take acting againts their own corps.. hahahahahahahahahah... give me a sec im still laffing. Yeah right! Haze You think the PA wants to be recognized as pirates?
Judicator	Posted - 2004.04.01 11:30:00 - [6] Quote: the PA take acting againts their own corps.. hahahahahahahahahah... give me a sec im still laffing. Yeah right! Yeah. I can confirm CE killed one of our Scorpions and podded the pilot. Reason was they did not like the pilot. Since they did not feel like paying up we naturally had to go extract teh cash by force. In pure poetic justice styule we killed and podded the pilot that laide the final blow to our pilots pod. Their loss was a Megathron with nice stuff such as XL-C5, 425mm Proto's and tech 2 mods. Not bad for a scorpion and a clone. An Interceptor and its pilot was later terminated aswell. That matter is now resolved. -------------------------
hazeb	Posted - 2004.04.01 11:32:00 - [7] Jud, you forgot the mobile warp disruptor. :>
PaulAtreides	Posted - 2004.04.01 11:34:00 - [8] Yeah, I know about that incident...I was convo'ing Hyop when it was taking place...in fact I even have it in the logs up there ^^. Want to work for me?
Judicator	Posted - 2004.04.01 11:35:00 - [9] Quote: Jud, you forgot the mobile warp disruptor. :> Oh yea, we killed their fancy toy since we coudl not loot it. IIRC we need some fancy skills that are not in-game yet, damn you CCP! -------------------------
Nafri	Posted - 2004.04.01 11:44:00 - [10] mhh I wonder who might be this Scorp pilot? must be a pretty annoying Person with a very bad Pirate history damm you RKK your letting such scum in your corp Wanna fly with me?
hazeb	Posted - 2004.04.01 11:54:00 - [11] /me beats the evil pirate^h^h^h^h^h^h nafri with a stick. ;)
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.01 12:30:00 - [12] two words - Who cares? -------------------------------------------
Judicator	Posted - 2004.04.01 12:33:00 - [13] Quote: two words - Who cares? From your post it seems fairly evident that you don't. -------------------------
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.01 13:03:00 - [14] [ 2004.03.29 17:26:14 ] Hyop > pod around and tell everybody to stfu. That's a very refreshing attitude. It's also one the FADE corps took very recently. Perhaps CE should take a lot at that sector now. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Vincent Blade	Posted - 2004.04.01 14:08:00 - [15] thats nothing new, they were always pirates and they will be always pirates like RKK, CELES and all other corps named 'pirate hunter'. Vincent Blade TunDraGon
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.01 14:15:00 - [16] Quote: thats nothing new, they were always pirates and they will be always pirates like RKK, CELES and all other corps named 'pirate hunter'. ooo look, some trolling. How fun. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Vincent Blade	Posted - 2004.04.01 14:18:00 - [17] Edited by: Vincent Blade on 01/04/2004 14:22:54 Quote: Quote: thats nothing new, they were always pirates and they will be always pirates like RKK, CELES and all other corps named 'pirate hunter'. ooo look, some trolling. How fun. dbp sorry to kill your dreams of your perfect world, mate Vincent Blade TunDraGon
Jet Jagowrath	Posted - 2004.04.01 14:22:00 - [18] That really sucks Paul, sounds like the work of amateur pirate hunters with itchy trigger fingers, perhaps Halseth can give an official response to the PA's stance on this corporations misconduct and what they intend to do about it? i hope a diplomatic solution that you are satisfied with can be found Paul. JJx King Jadrut of The Alliance That Kicks Your Arse Very Badly And Whoops You Like You've Never Seen Before, TATKYAVBAWYLYNSB for short, owns all Jove space, stay away or bad things will happen to you and your hamsters and/or gerbils mmmk La Maison de tous les plaisirs - Where politics and pleasure meet...
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.01 14:23:00 - [19] Quote: Edited by: Vincent Blade on 01/04/2004 14:22:54 Quote: Quote: thats nothing new, they were always pirates and they will be always pirates like RKK, CELES and all other corps named 'pirate hunter'. ooo look, some trolling. How fun. dbp sorry to kill your dreams of your perfect world, mate ooo look, some flaming, how fun. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Hyop	Posted - 2004.04.01 15:26:00 - [20] Edited by: Hyop on 01/04/2004 15:28:07 what a sad story the funniest part is, some lines belonging to another convo doesnt make much sence to me either....hehe your posting about this extremly intressing story seems to make our decision even better you were flying in this funny situation at peak times with a bs full of minerals and forgot to put some stabs on, well If you dont fall asleep, read the complete thread and then tell me, who is a pirate in all this? well I tried to talk to you and all you do is run around like a little kid and tell the amazing news that it is not so clever to fly around in a warzone and pretend your invisible... anyway, the flamers will take over soon next convo with you will be in german and I will laugh my ass off g
Blacklight	Posted - 2004.04.01 15:34:00 - [21] That's just retarded. Can't believe the PA are letting one of their corps run riot pirating people in Pure Blind/Fade/Deklein areas just because they feel like it. Eve Blacklight Style
Nafri	Posted - 2004.04.01 16:43:00 - [22] Quote: Edited by: Hyop on 01/04/2004 15:28:07 what a sad story the funniest part is, some lines belonging to another convo doesnt make much sence to me either....hehe your posting about this extremly intressing story seems to make our decision even better you were flying in this funny situation at peak times with a bs full of minerals and forgot to put some stabs on, well If you dont fall asleep, read the complete thread and then tell me, who is a pirate in all this? well I tried to talk to you and all you do is run around like a little kid and tell the amazing news that it is not so clever to fly around in a warzone and pretend your invisible... anyway, the flamers will take over soon next convo with you will be in german and I will laugh my ass off g well how sad and arrogant... Wanna fly with me?
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2004.04.01 16:56:00 - [23] Think PA should kick Hysop and his cronies out of their territory. -------------------- The Nest
Fuffel	Posted - 2004.04.01 17:17:00 - [24] Edited by: Fuffel on 01/04/2004 17:27:56 Edited by: Fuffel on 01/04/2004 17:19:18 omg, not hyop again honestly, we get paid to keep this guy (+2 extra points in ethnic relations for me) as raven said: "really retarded" as retared as warping away with 20 scorps from 13 enemies. So we got 2 incidents here, CE is accused of: Paul, I am very sorry for your loss but their are some lines missing from that convo (check your timestamps) and honestly I need just one of them: Quote: [ 2004.03.29 17:11:56 ] PaulAtreides > i persoannly had taken a new job in RL when I came back my allience had taken help from RSA thats why CE showed up - plain and simple as we were engaged 1-2 days before by 6 rsa battleships (2 of them made it home) END OF YOUR STORY your alliance flies alongside pirats, you might catch some attention The next thing was the shooting at a RKK pilot. We are very sorry, but it was a mistake. As DB Preacher personaly told one of my pilots, he placed this pilot(whos sig in another forum is Noob-Schlõchter (butcher)Podding Noobs since 08.2003) in FE corps for 6 month now and thats why he showed up in the deep red for my pilots - sorry again! the lines: "wish we just decided to be pk¦lers and pod everbody" from hyop only show to me that he was mentally challenged at this point...like everyday - g
XpoHoc	Posted - 2004.04.01 17:33:00 - [25] Quote: If this is true, I'm sure the PA will take appropriate actions against CE. Don't blame the whole alliance already. RSA took actions against its pirate members. Result = bounty hunters still attack it for being a pirate alliance.
Judicator	Posted - 2004.04.01 18:55:00 - [26] Quote: Quote: If this is true, I'm sure the PA will take appropriate actions against CE. Don't blame the whole alliance already. RSA took actions against its pirate members. Result = bounty hunters still attack it for being a pirate alliance. Aww, cry me a river! -------------------------
XpoHoc	Posted - 2004.04.01 19:01:00 - [27] Don't waste bandwidth, if you have nothing to say. :)
Judicator	Posted - 2004.04.01 19:08:00 - [28] Quote: Don't waste bandwidth, if you have nothing to say. :) I know, that one was out of line. I apologize. -------------------------
PaulAtreides	Posted - 2004.04.02 03:06:00 - [29] Edited by: PaulAtreides on 02/04/2004 03:17:48 Quote: Edited by: Fuffel on 01/04/2004 17:27:56 Edited by: Fuffel on 01/04/2004 17:19:18 omg, not hyop again honestly, we get paid to keep this guy (+2 extra points in ethnic relations for me) as raven said: "really retarded" as retared as warping away with 20 scorps from 13 enemies. So we got 2 incidents here, CE is accused of: Paul, I am very sorry for your loss but their are some lines missing from that convo (check your timestamps) and honestly I need just one of them: Quote: [ 2004.03.29 17:11:56 ] PaulAtreides > i persoannly had taken a new job in RL when I came back my allience had taken help from RSA thats why CE showed up - plain and simple as we were engaged 1-2 days before by 6 rsa battleships (2 of them made it home) END OF YOUR STORY your alliance flies alongside pirats, you might catch some attention The next thing was the shooting at a RKK pilot. We are very sorry, but it was a mistake. As DB Preacher personaly told one of my pilots, he placed this pilot(whos sig in another forum is Noob-Schlõchter (butcher)Podding Noobs since 08.2003) in FE corps for 6 month now and thats why he showed up in the deep red for my pilots - sorry again! the lines: "wish we just decided to be pk¦lers and pod everbody" from hyop only show to me that he was mentally challenged at this point...like everyday Right Fuffel. I intentionally edited the chatlog, as I did not want to bore everyone with the pages and pages of drivel that occured as a result of letting Hyop be an external affairs person. The facts are: 1. You came into Deklein seeking pirate supporters..apparently. At this time COD was going through a major overhaul. Notice how many actual COD members you saw flying around that day besides me... 2. I proved to you that I am not a pirate. You said that you would return my stuff if I managed to do so. The fact that you havn't puts you in the same classification as pirates...the whole reason I started this thread. As it now seams that I am speaking to a sane person, I will once again CE to correct your mistakes and return what is rightfully mine. I can understand that you thought I was a pirate/supporter at the time hence I am not asking for a refund of my BS/Implants/Eqip. Want to work for me?
Heff	Posted - 2004.04.02 07:14:00 - [30] Edited by: Heff on 02/04/2004 07:20:18 Quote: you were flying in this funny situation at peak times with a bs full of minerals and forgot to put some stabs on, well If you dont fall asleep, read the complete thread and then tell me, who is a pirate in all this? Man, your logic is pathetic! He shouldn't have needed warp stabilizers as the area he was traveling through was supposedly being guarded by anti-pirate corps which everyone thought CE was. Had we known ahead of time that CE was a new pirate corp, we would have taken the extra precautions. Even worse is the double-speak you're tossing around: "We took your stuff cuz we thought you were a pirate; prove you're not and we'll return it." "Oh, OK, well, umm, we lost a bunch of ships in our war so even though you're not really a pirate, we're keeping it to replace our losses." "Oh, wait, no, I'm an idiot... we're actually pirates now. That's it." That is weak, even for a greedy little lying thief.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.02 07:51:00 - [31] Edited by: DB Preacher on 02/04/2004 09:23:38 The only conclusion I can come to is that Hyop is an absolute idiot. I can understand the confusion during the war against c0d and rsa and perhaps CE didn't get the call that playboy had pulled out etc. However, the diplomacy of Hyop is disgraceful. It sounds more like something the CA would say instead of the good folks of the PA. Perhaps CE are in the wrong alliance Oh and CE really should give Playboy back their stuff since everyone has proved they are not pirates. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Whuzz	Posted - 2004.04.02 12:29:00 - [32] Quote: Cataclysm Enterprises are Pirates yeehaw, i've always wanted to be a pirate , it was a dream of mine since i was small, but i never had guts enuff to go to the "real pirates" and now we're finally called pirates , thnx guyz, you are the best ... Whuzz If only through my actions, at least one persons life got better, then i'd say life was worth living
Nervar	Posted - 2004.04.02 12:42:00 - [33] Kick them out unless they return the gods with an apolegy. Theyr behaving like pirates, and i dont think its beneficial for the PA if word spreads that theyr harboring pirates. -------------------------------------------------> What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
Diamond Dog	Posted - 2004.04.02 23:56:00 - [34] You know... this is just funny.. How about just pointing a finger on any corp that has shot at anything.. You will get the same result. ________________________________________
Heff	Posted - 2004.04.03 00:51:00 - [35] We've never had problems with CE in the past and don't want to tarnish our stance toward them based on Hyop's actions. But on the flip side, we feel the need to take action against him if reparations aren't made. Can I ask what CE's official response to this is? Are they cutting Hyop loose, backing him up, or what? Ultimately, Hyop committed an act of piracy. As non-pirates, we feel the need to pursue that (as do others). Please give me something to work with.
PaulAtreides	Posted - 2004.04.03 01:35:00 - [36] Quote: We've never had problems with CE in the past and don't want to tarnish our stance toward them based on Hyop's actions. But on the flip side, we feel the need to take action against him if reparations aren't made. Can I ask what CE's official response to this is? Are they cutting Hyop loose, backing him up, or what? Ultimately, Hyop committed an act of piracy. As non-pirates, we feel the need to pursue that (as do others). Please give me something to work with. Actually it was not just Hyop...he was with a lot of his corp-mates at the time. I imagine that CE's official responce would be that they are going to be pirates...and remain in the PA. Want to work for me?
Notferr	Posted - 2004.04.03 02:40:00 - [37] Paul is right... C.E. Pirates... As I THOUGHT that PA and CoD had a NAP, turns out only RONA remembers it, I ran into 3 PA members in my APOC while equiped for mining. Never spoke to them in local, never thought about it. Never even concerned myself with it as I have always respected PA, I and knew that they were 'good guys'. Here are the convo's of the incident. ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: Ryan Routine conversation Listener: Notferr Session started: 2004.03.21 16:59:14 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2004.03.21 16:59:50 ] Notferr > trying to raise the bastards [ 2004.03.21 17:00:39 ] Notferr > Hello un5een [ 2004.03.21 17:00:42 ] un5een > ? [ 2004.03.21 17:00:54 ] McBryan > You just broke a NAP by firing on Notferrs ship [ 2004.03.21 17:00:55 ] Xtal Ikiros > what were you guys doing attacking us? we have a nap with you guys [ 2004.03.21 17:00:57 ] un5een > hi... sorry about ur apoc [ 2004.03.21 17:01:03 ] Notferr > You know my Apoc you blew up [ 2004.03.21 17:01:10 ] Notferr > We have a NAP with PA [ 2004.03.21 17:01:15 ] Notferr > Who is your CEO [ 2004.03.21 17:01:19 ] Destable > COD has a non agression pact with PA. We even let you use one of our stations for stocking ammo for defending your southern border [ 2004.03.21 17:01:45 ] un5een > hmm... [ 2004.03.21 17:01:53 ] un5een > one moment pls [ 2004.03.21 17:04:27 ] un5een > ok [ 2004.03.21 17:04:52 ] un5een > as far as i can say know there have been very bad communications within our corp [ 2004.03.21 17:05:01 ] un5een > -k [ 2004.03.21 17:05:17 ] Xtal Ikiros > That doesn't help us any though. [ 2004.03.21 17:05:24 ] Notferr > fine... I need the $$$ from your corp to pay for the ship and equipment [ 2004.03.21 17:05:29 ] un5een > i understand that at all [ 2004.03.21 17:06:20 ] Notferr > How about you get your CEO in here [ 2004.03.21 17:06:23 ] un5een > and this action was only taken by ce... this was not any offical pa action [ 2004.03.21 17:06:34 ] un5een > ceo not online right now [ 2004.03.21 17:06:40 ] Destable > member corps of an alliance represent the alliance [ 2004.03.21 17:06:40 ] Notferr > Makes no difference [ 2004.03.21 17:06:44 ] Notferr > You are a PA member [ 2004.03.21 17:06:52 ] Xtal Ikiros > absoutely - that is no excuse [ 2004.03.21 17:06:55 ] Notferr > You are bound by PA's treaties [ 2004.03.21 17:07:32 ] Notferr > I made no hostile act towards you, you destroyed my ship. [ 2004.03.21 17:07:44 ] un5een > yes... that was what i meant with bad communications... we dont know about the nap.. [ 2004.03.21 17:07:54 ] Notferr > Not our problem [ 2004.03.21 17:07:57 ] Xtal Ikiros > that's not our problem now is it. [ 2004.03.21 17:08:00 ] McBryan > its been ongoing for some time [ 2004.03.21 17:08:03 ] un5een > notferr in our eyes u have been kos [ 2004.03.21 17:08:14 ] Notferr > Get on officer in this convo [ 2004.03.21 17:08:22 ] Notferr > Why was I KOS [ 2004.03.21 17:08:27 ] Notferr > I have never seen you ppl before [ 2004.03.21 17:08:44 ] un5een > because of COD... we thought OCD is kos [ 2004.03.21 17:09:00 ] Notferr > What is the PA chennel? [ 2004.03.21 17:09:05 ] McBryan > so you are saying you plan on shooting cod ships? [ 2004.03.21 17:09:47 ] Destable > COD is your neighbor alliance, and we've always been peaceful. how could you possibly think that we were KOS? [ 2004.03.21 17:10:12 ] un5een > :-( now we no the nap and so all plans for engagements have been canceled [ 2004.03.21 17:10:37 ] McBryan > plans for engagements? [ 2004.03.21 17:10:44 ] McBryan > so you intended on attacking? [ 2004.03.21 17:10:44 ] Notferr > Great! Now pay me fir the ship and equipment [ 2004.03.21 17:10:52 ] McBryan > you were PLANNING an attack [ 2004.03.21 17:10:52 ] un5een > i am trying to get a director online... [ 2004.03.21 17:11:13 ] McBryan > thats certainly nice to know [ 2004.03.21 17:11:26 ] un5een > wrong words from me [ 2004.03.21 17:11:46 ] Znaei > un5een... we have a nap with PA, established by Rona-kia [ 2004.03.21 17:12:04 ] un5een > yes i know now... i have informed my self [ 2004.03.21 17:12:32 ] McBryan > For obvious reasons we want to be compensated [ 2004.03.21 17:12:55 ] un5een > fully understandable [ 2004.03.21 17:13:02 ] McBryan > 1x Apoc + equipment, Notferr will be happy to supply a list [ 2004.03.21 17:13:17 ] Notferr > Sure will [ 2004.03.21 17:13:24 ] un5een > but that is not me descision to take [ 2004.03.21 17:13:44 ] Notferr > do you have an officer online now or not? [ 2004.03.21 17:13:57 ] Notferr > Cause we need someone who can get this resolved [ 2004.03.21 17:14:10 ] McBryan > What, you dont have isk in your own wallet, have a whip around, its not our problem where you get the isk just that its done [ 2004.03.21 17:14:49 ] Notferr > Tell you what... I'll take the ships of the ppl who attacked me pt2.. - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.04.03 02:41:00 - [38] pt2... [ 2004.03.21 17:15:01 ] Notferr > All 3 BS's and we will call it even [ 2004.03.21 17:15:04 ] un5een > :-) [ 2004.03.21 17:15:11 ] Znaei > lol [ 2004.03.21 17:15:14 ] Notferr > that wasn't a joke [ 2004.03.21 17:15:16 ] Xtal Ikiros > lol [ 2004.03.21 17:15:51 ] un5een > notferr u are that poor better stop playing eve [ 2004.03.21 17:16:01 ] un5een > if u r [ 2004.03.21 17:16:26 ] Notferr > REALLY don't see what my wallet has to do with it [ 2004.03.21 17:16:28 ] McBryan > his current amount of isk doesnt stop the fact that you willfully destroyed the ship of someone you have a nap with [ 2004.03.21 17:16:36 ] McBryan > he could have 1 isk or 1billion isk [ 2004.03.21 17:16:41 ] Ryan Routine > hey guys.....sry we didnt know there something liek an official NAP [ 2004.03.21 17:16:47 ] McBryan > we still want the compensation [ 2004.03.21 17:16:51 ] Ryan Routine > we asked right after you mentioned that [ 2004.03.21 17:16:55 ] Xtal Ikiros > oh wait - I have a few billion isks lying around - hey free apocs for everyone!........ <sigh> [ 2004.03.21 17:16:59 ] Ryan Routine > and were quite shocked [ 2004.03.21 17:17:01 ] un5een > ok my ceo said bad luck for u... we can offer u a 1run apoc bpc me10... [ 2004.03.21 17:17:20 ] Notferr > Get your CEO in here [ 2004.03.21 17:17:25 ] McBryan > i dont think that will suffice [ 2004.03.21 17:17:28 ] Xtal Ikiros > no. There's got to be consequence [ 2004.03.21 17:17:34 ] Notferr > a BP ain't gonna cut it [ 2004.03.21 17:17:56 ] Xtal Ikiros > I'm sure you guys can whip up a mining op and gather 100 mil to refund Notferr. Or are you guys that poor? [ 2004.03.21 17:18:12 ] Notferr > cause if so, you need to stop paying Eve [ 2004.03.21 17:18:15 ] Xtal Ikiros > maybe should stop playing eve then if you are.... [ 2004.03.21 17:18:31 ] Notferr > Who is your CEO??? [ 2004.03.21 17:18:36 ] un5een > tricky conter [ 2004.03.21 17:18:41 ] McBryan > Irja Q is [ 2004.03.21 17:19:19 ] Ryan Routine > not online atm but try to contact him later [ 2004.03.21 17:19:28 ] Notferr > Here is the deal [ 2004.03.21 17:19:38 ] Notferr > You owe me an Apoc and equipment [ 2004.03.21 17:19:39 ] McBryan > you jsut said your CEO said bad luck [ 2004.03.21 17:19:40 ] Notferr > No BP [ 2004.03.21 17:19:56 ] Notferr > No 'sorry' [ 2004.03.21 17:20:05 ] Notferr > ISK + ship [ 2004.03.21 17:21:14 ] Notferr > Get this resolved now or this goes infront of PA - that you violated NAP [ 2004.03.21 17:21:29 ] Ryan Routine > it was a mistake yeah [ 2004.03.21 17:21:41 ] Notferr > Yep it was [ 2004.03.21 17:21:46 ] Notferr > make it go away [ 2004.03.21 17:21:51 ] Notferr > pay me [ 2004.03.21 17:21:52 ] Xtal Ikiros > so accept responsibility [ 2004.03.21 17:22:05 ] Ryan Routine > we try to get in contact with our ceo [ 2004.03.21 17:22:47 ] Notferr > Sell your ships, take from corp wallet, rob newbs... Don't care [ 2004.03.21 17:23:03 ] Notferr > This ain't gonna wait until your CEO comes online [ 2004.03.21 17:24:39 ] un5een > ... when our ceo comes online he comes online . [ 2004.03.21 17:25:24 ] Notferr > Get on officer online no then [ 2004.03.21 17:25:26 ] McBryan > so you dont have anyone else in your corp with any kind of power? [ 2004.03.21 17:25:27 ] Notferr > RIGHT NOW [ 2004.03.21 17:26:04 ] Ryan Routine > calm down :) [ 2004.03.21 17:26:14 ] Fuffel > hi [ 2004.03.21 17:26:25 ] Notferr > Hello [ 2004.03.21 17:26:37 ] Notferr > NAP was broken by these guys [ 2004.03.21 17:26:45 ] Notferr > And I aparently need to calm down [ 2004.03.21 17:26:56 ] McBryan > and are now refusing compensation [ 2004.03.21 17:27:56 ] Fuffel > NAP is to my knowledge about your and our region [ 2004.03.21 17:28:16 ] Fuffel > so, where did this happen? [ 2004.03.21 17:28:20 ] McBryan > what? [ 2004.03.21 17:28:26 ] McBryan > that makes no sense at all [ 2004.03.21 17:28:29 ] Notferr > What? [ 2004.03.21 17:28:36 ] McBryan > its non aggression [ 2004.03.21 17:28:37 ] Notferr > That is insane! [ 2004.03.21 17:28:40 ] McBryan > its a simple premise [ 2004.03.21 17:29:01 ] McBryan > its not "non aggression according to location" [ 2004.03.21 17:29:13 ] McBryan > that would be a naalp or some **** abbreviation like that [ 2004.03.21 17:30:44 ] McBryan > this isnt helping us to trust pa at all [ 2004.03.21 17:30:55 ] Notferr > Here is the deal. PA needs to have all of Eve respect their words and know that they uphold their treaties [ 2004.03.21 17:31:06 ] Notferr > We have a NAP, you guys broke it [ 2004.03.21 17:31:27 ] Notferr > We can deal with this here and now, or this can go before all of PA and be made public [ 2004.03.21 17:31:49 ] Notferr > Which would put all of PA's treaties under the microscope [ 2004.03.21 17:31:54 ] McBryan > or more likely all of ev [ 2004.03.21 17:31:56 ] Xtal Ikiros > I think it's in your best interests that naps are honored and respected - otherwise why have them? pt 3... - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.04.03 02:42:00 - [39] pt 3... [ 2004.03.21 17:31:56 ] Xtal Ikiros > I think it's in your best interests that naps are honored and respected - otherwise why have them? [ 2004.03.21 17:32:08 ] McBryan > you have a NAP with FE if i recall, they may be interested to know you dont intend to honour NAPs [ 2004.03.21 17:32:39 ] Notferr > Your pilots have ISK - They have battleships. Sell them if you have to, but your people screwed up [ 2004.03.21 17:32:56 ] Notferr > And waiting for your CEO to come online is not acceptable [ 2004.03.21 17:33:31 ] Geezer > so whats management for ? [ 2004.03.21 17:33:42 ] Fuffel > one second plz [ 2004.03.21 17:34:49 ] Fuffel > I am the CEO [ 2004.03.21 17:35:11 ] Fuffel > and am sorting things out atm. [ 2004.03.21 17:35:22 ] McBryan > un5een claimed a few times that the CEO was offline [ 2004.03.21 17:35:38 ] McBryan > and your corp description begs to differ [ 2004.03.21 17:35:51 ] un5een > yes i said he is offline... and now he is online [ 2004.03.21 17:35:51 ] Fuffel > who cares [ 2004.03.21 17:36:21 ] McBryan > fair enough [ 2004.03.21 17:36:47 ] Notferr > There is very little to sort out... I was attacked, my Apoc is dust, and your members owe me 1 apoc, equipment, and insurance policy money [ 2004.03.21 17:37:21 ] Notferr > cause now I am insuring thi sucker at 100% [ 2004.03.21 17:38:04 ] Fuffel > As this didnt take place in venal [ 2004.03.21 17:38:27 ] Fuffel > as we know of no offical NAP [ 2004.03.21 17:38:36 ] McBryan > so now there no NAP [ 2004.03.21 17:38:42 ] McBryan > is that what you are saying? [ 2004.03.21 17:38:47 ] Fuffel > we simply keep this between our corps [ 2004.03.21 17:39:39 ] McBryan > we have been allowing you to use one of our stations for supplies for protecting your borders [ 2004.03.21 17:40:02 ] McBryan > as part of the nap [ 2004.03.21 17:40:11 ] Fuffel > who is "you"? [ 2004.03.21 17:40:11 ] McBryan > this is a really simple concept [ 2004.03.21 17:40:17 ] McBryan > PA [ 2004.03.21 17:41:08 ] Ryan Routine > which corp or pa member said to you theres an official NAP ? [ 2004.03.21 17:41:26 ] McBryan > it was agreed with rona-kia to my knowledge [ 2004.03.21 17:41:58 ] un5een > rona-kia is not the pa [ 2004.03.21 17:42:16 ] McBryan > they were speaking on behalf of the pa [ 2004.03.21 17:42:23 ] Znaei > TPA has stockpiles of ammo and missiles in our stations to use to fight with evol [ 2004.03.21 17:42:53 ] Fuffel > sounds like personl dealings with PA corps [ 2004.03.21 17:43:03 ] McBryan > you are now bull***ting us [ 2004.03.21 17:43:03 ] Ryan Routine > yep [ 2004.03.21 17:43:16 ] Xtal Ikiros > sounds like you're trying to wiggle yourselves out of the NAP [ 2004.03.21 17:43:37 ] Znaei > no the agreement was with PA [ 2004.03.21 17:43:47 ] Fuffel > no [ 2004.03.21 17:44:16 ] McBryan > are you speaking on behalf of the entire PA [ 2004.03.21 17:44:24 ] McBryan > that you dont respect the nap you have agreed with us [ 2004.03.21 17:45:29 ] Znaei > and by your actions you have given the hint that your corp will fire on everyone, that will also reflect on your alliance [ 2004.03.21 17:45:43 ] Xtal Ikiros > yes absolutely [ 2004.03.21 17:46:26 ] Cathryn Wolve > right, it looks like you have a NAP with RONA-kia and not with the PA or us [ 2004.03.21 17:46:39 ] McBryan > it was an agreement with PA [ 2004.03.21 17:46:48 ] Znaei > Im sure you can see that it will in no way in the spirit of pa [ 2004.03.21 17:47:14 ] Cathryn Wolve > can't be, when you spke ONLY with the rona.kia, pa member corps have to agree to something like that, and no other corp has [ 2004.03.21 17:47:37 ] Cathryn Wolve > zhaei, that's up to us and not u [ 2004.03.21 17:48:15 ] Notferr > How about we find out what RONA-KIA thinks pt 4... - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse* Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.04.03 02:44:00 - [40] pt 4... [ 2004.03.21 17:48:25 ] McBryan > i dont think any alliance in the world of eve will trust you after this [ 2004.03.21 17:48:27 ] Xtal Ikiros > I'm curious how your other NAP partners feel about this if they would hear this [ 2004.03.21 17:48:41 ] Znaei > I know that, but I have fought rats besides many pa members, and I know that pa deasnt operate like that [ 2004.03.21 17:48:45 ] Cathryn Wolve > then you can keep that to yourself, because neither the Pa nor we care about what they say in this matter [ 2004.03.21 17:49:46 ] Cathryn Wolve > this has nothing to do with other corps the PA has a NAP with, you got a problem with us, and not with the PA, since you don't have an official NAP with the PA, this is pure corp intern [ 2004.03.21 17:50:16 ] McBryan > are you not a member of the PA [ 2004.03.21 17:50:50 ] Cathryn Wolve > we are, so ? the PA has no relationships with either you or your alliance [ 2004.03.21 17:52:40 ] Znaei > the agreement was not, that only Rona-kia could use our stations or assistance against evol/pirates, but all pa could use them. That means that the whole pa had nap with us not just rona [ 2004.03.21 17:53:42 ] Cathryn Wolve > well, since rona hasn't passed on that information,. and the PA congress hasn't agreed to anything like that, you had a NAP with rona ... [ 2004.03.21 17:54:10 ] Cathryn Wolve > looks like they've screwed you [ 2004.03.21 17:55:27 ] McBryan > im sure that the other alliances you are nap'ed with will be glad to hear that [ 2004.03.21 17:56:37 ] Fuffel > moving in circles? [ 2004.03.21 17:57:04 ] Fuffel > think the point is clear [ 2004.03.21 17:57:21 ] Cathryn Wolve > are you threating us ?, and if, they gonna have a good lough, since you didn't talk to the officiel PA representative, they talked to [ 2004.03.21 17:58:40 ] Cathryn Wolve > next time, double check if you r talking with an alliance member corp or an representative of the alliance [ 2004.03.21 17:58:44 ] Znaei > ok.. the final note from you is: who cares? we shot you. wont do anything? [ 2004.03.21 17:59:00 ] Znaei > that is, pirating style? [ 2004.03.21 18:00:13 ] Cathryn Wolve > it was an accident, not on purpose. we were neutral to you and will stay neutral [ 2004.03.21 18:00:17 ] Notferr > Hold on one sec plz [ 2004.03.21 18:02:22 ] McBryan > sorry i disappeared there [ 2004.03.21 18:02:33 ] McBryan > had to kill an arma that popped into local [ 2004.03.21 18:03:02 ] McBryan > so basically, you dont care [ 2004.03.21 18:03:24 ] Fuffel > true [ 2004.03.21 18:04:39 ] Fuffel > was a mistake, but **** happens if your flying afk in 0.0 space [ 2004.03.21 18:04:45 ] Fuffel > get used to it [ 2004.03.21 18:04:57 ] un5een > i know popping ships in local... [ 2004.03.21 18:05:42 ] Notferr > I was not AFK [ 2004.03.21 18:05:44 ] Xtal Ikiros > he was not flying afk. [ 2004.03.21 18:05:49 ] Notferr > I was warping to next gate [ 2004.03.21 18:05:57 ] Notferr > No local warning, no hostilities [ 2004.03.21 18:06:05 ] Notferr > Untll they fired [ 2004.03.21 18:13:55 ] un5een > cu [ 2004.03.21 18:20:16 ] Fuffel > as you spoke to rona-kia guess this thing is settled [ 2004.03.21 18:23:17 ] Cathryn Wolve > right, i think we've put the axe in the helve. pt 5... - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.04.03 02:46:00 - [41] This is the convo with RONA, who I have always respected in the past... ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: KIAStumpy conversation Listener: Notferr Session started: 2004.03.21 17:52:48 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2004.03.21 17:53:08 ] Notferr > Hello! Do you have a second? [ 2004.03.21 17:53:17 ] KIAStumpy > shour [ 2004.03.21 17:53:26 ] Notferr > May I also invite KiaHicks? [ 2004.03.21 17:53:46 ] KIAStumpy > yes [ 2004.03.21 17:54:46 ] Notferr > He rejected the convo [ 2004.03.21 17:55:02 ] KIAStumpy > hes got blcok on ask again [ 2004.03.21 17:55:27 ] Notferr > Hello gentlemen [ 2004.03.21 17:55:33 ] Notferr > Here is the deal [ 2004.03.21 17:55:34 ] KIAStumpy > hello [ 2004.03.21 17:55:35 ] KIAHicks > lo [ 2004.03.21 17:55:45 ] Notferr > COD has a NAP with PA [ 2004.03.21 17:55:55 ] Notferr > PA members have destroyed a COD battleship [ 2004.03.21 17:56:09 ] KIAHicks > whats cod stand for? [ 2004.03.21 17:56:26 ] Notferr > And now say the RONA spoke on behalf of ONLY rona and that our alliance is KOS [ 2004.03.21 17:56:33 ] Notferr > Coalition of Deklein [ 2004.03.21 17:56:45 ] KIAHicks > hmm, which corp shot you? [ 2004.03.21 17:56:49 ] Notferr > May I invite you to this convo with them? [ 2004.03.21 17:57:13 ] Notferr > Corp was Cataclysm Enterprises [ 2004.03.21 17:57:27 ] Notferr > I will paste some of the convo [ 2004.03.21 17:57:38 ] KIAHicks > I've checked and PA say we have no official standing with COD, but I don't think anyone should be attacking you. Let me look into it hang on. [ 2004.03.21 17:57:50 ] Notferr > k [ 2004.03.21 17:58:18 ] Notferr > Notferr > You owe me an Apoc and equipment McBryan > you jsut said your CEO said bad luck Notferr > No BP Notferr > No 'sorry' Notferr > ISK + ship Notferr > Get this resolved now or this goes infront of PA - that you violated NAP Ryan Routine > it was a mistake yeah Notferr > Yep it was Notferr > make it go away Notferr > pay me Xtal Ikiros > so accept responsibility Ryan Routine > we try to get in contact with our ceo Notferr > Sell your ships, take from corp wallet, rob newbs... Don't care Notferr > This ain't gonna wait until your CEO comes online un5een > ... when our ceo comes online he comes online . Notferr > Get on officer online no then McBryan > so you dont have anyone else in your corp with any kind of power? [ 2004.03.21 17:58:36 ] Notferr > Notferr > RIGHT NOW Ryan Routine > calm down :) Fuffel > hi Notferr > Hello Notferr > NAP was broken by these guys Notferr > And I aparently need to calm down McBryan > and are now refusing compensation Fuffel > NAP is to my knowledge about your and our region Fuffel > so, where did this happen? McBryan > what? McBryan > that makes no sense at all ... - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.04.03 02:46:00 - [42] Notferr > What? McBryan > its non aggression Notferr > That is insane! McBryan > its a simple premise McBryan > its not "non aggression according to location" McBryan > that would be a naalp or some **** abbreviation like that McBryan > this isnt helping us to trust pa at all [ 2004.03.21 17:59:00 ] KIAHicks > where was you ship destroyed? [ 2004.03.21 17:59:12 ] Notferr > Let me look [ 2004.03.21 17:59:23 ] Notferr > I have a lot more convo, but I don't want to swamp you guys [ 2004.03.21 17:59:53 ] Notferr > O-CNPR [ 2004.03.21 18:00:30 ] Notferr > tell me when rdy for more [ 2004.03.21 18:00:43 ] Notferr > cause they start speaking of RONA-KIA next [ 2004.03.21 18:02:43 ] Notferr > tell me when you are caught up and I will finish up pasting the convo [ 2004.03.21 18:03:03 ] KIAHicks > ok notferr, I've spoken to pa leaders [ 2004.03.21 18:03:08 ] Notferr > k [ 2004.03.21 18:03:20 ] Notferr > Should I give you the rest of convo? [ 2004.03.21 18:03:32 ] KIAHicks > As the attack was by CE and was outside of PA space and the PA has currently no offical standing with COD, the matter needs sorting between yourself and CE. [ 2004.03.21 18:04:43 ] Notferr > Really??? [ 2004.03.21 18:04:58 ] KIAHicks > yes, thats what I've been told. [ 2004.03.21 18:05:16 ] KIAHicks > I don't know why they fired on you, but the PA are not hostile to you. [ 2004.03.21 18:05:23 ] KIAHicks > you need to speak to CE [ 2004.03.21 18:05:44 ] KIAHicks > the PA cannot get involved as it is outside PA space and with a corp/alliance that we have no offical standing with at this time. [ 2004.03.21 18:06:51 ] Znaei > It was my understanding that CoD and PA had a NAP [ 2004.03.21 18:06:59 ] Xtal Ikiros > so that makes it okay to kill. [ 2004.03.21 18:07:01 ] Notferr > Who negioated our NAP with PA/RONA ? [ 2004.03.21 18:07:13 ] KIAHicks > I wasn't aware of one and checked with leaders and they said their is no nap. [ 2004.03.21 18:07:15 ] KIAStumpy > rona? [ 2004.03.21 18:07:33 ] KIAStumpy > i wasnt told anythin about a nap between u and rona [ 2004.03.21 18:07:37 ] KIAHicks > but just as a won't get involved with the issue we will not stop you seeking compensation from CE however you see fit. [ 2004.03.21 18:07:59 ] KIAHicks > If you want a nap you need to approach halseth durn so that it can be brought up at the next meeting and discussed [ 2004.03.21 18:08:17 ] KIAHicks > if we had an official nap then we would intervene and sort things out on your behalf. [ 2004.03.21 18:08:32 ] Notferr > Guys, we do have a NAP [ 2004.03.21 18:08:45 ] Notferr > You have a hanger in our space where you store ammo and missiles [ 2004.03.21 18:08:53 ] Notferr > This was all part of the NAP aggreement [ 2004.03.21 18:09:29 ] Znaei > as I can recall, the NAP was brought up when you guys approached us to be able to use oure facilities when battling with Evol [ 2004.03.21 18:09:42 ] KIAHicks > I suggest you talk to halseth as from what I've heard there was not a fully official nap [ 2004.03.21 18:10:17 ] KIAHicks > That was an agreement between rona and a few of the corps in deklein asking if we could use stations etc it wasn't to do with pa. [ 2004.03.21 18:11:06 ] KIAHicks > official naps are informed on our fof list and on the forums, there is no mention of a nap there. [ 2004.03.21 18:11:25 ] KIAHicks > however, because there is no nap their is nothing stopping you sorting out CE how you see fit. [ 2004.03.21 18:12:14 ] Znaei > true, but on another thing... since when do pa members shoot at random targets? [ 2004.03.21 18:12:33 ] KIAHicks > I can't really answer that as everything has a reason [ 2004.03.21 18:12:41 ] KIAHicks > for example we are at war with a corp in empire atm [ 2004.03.21 18:12:45 ] KIAHicks > as rona [ 2004.03.21 18:12:54 ] KIAHicks > its nothing to do with PA, and we are out on our own on it [ 2004.03.21 18:12:56 ] Znaei > I have been in a few fights against rats with some of pa corps and they have always been anti-pirate [ 2004.03.21 18:13:01 ] KIAHicks > its down to a personal disagreement [ 2004.03.21 18:13:15 ] KIAStumpy > we are [ 2004.03.21 18:13:18 ] KIAHicks > Znaei, as I say, there must be some reason, try to talk to CE and find out why [ 2004.03.21 18:13:21 ] Xtal Ikiros > you are? [ 2004.03.21 18:13:32 ] Xtal Ikiros > then why did Notferr's apoc get popped by you? [ 2004.03.21 18:13:34 ] Xtal Ikiros > without reason? [ 2004.03.21 18:13:38 ] Znaei > we have, they brushed the whole thing off [ 2004.03.21 18:13:47 ] KIAStumpy > ? u keep saing bye us [ 2004.03.21 18:13:48 ] KIAHicks > it was not us, it was CE, [ 2004.03.21 18:13:59 ] KIAStumpy > its not us its a mebber of the pa [ 2004.03.21 18:14:20 ] KIAStumpy > we cant control any corps in the ps out side pa space [ 2004.03.21 18:14:25 ] Znaei > we know it aint you :) [ 2004.03.21 18:14:28 ] KIAStumpy > pa ... - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.04.03 02:49:00 - [43] ... ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: KIAStumpy conversation Listener: Notferr Session started: 2004.03.21 17:52:48 ------------------------------------------------------------ McBryan > you jsut said your CEO said bad luck Notferr > No BP Notferr > No 'sorry' Notferr > ISK + ship Notferr > Get this resolved now or this goes infront of PA - that you violated NAP Ryan Routine > it was a mistake yeah Notferr > Yep it was Notferr > make it go away Notferr > pay me Xtal Ikiros > so accept responsibility Ryan Routine > we try to get in contact with our ceo Notferr > Sell your ships, take from corp wallet, rob newbs... Don't care Notferr > This ain't gonna wait until your CEO comes online un5een > ... when our ceo comes online he comes online . Notferr > Get on officer online no then McBryan > so you dont have anyone else in your corp with any kind of power? [ 2004.03.21 17:58:36 ] Notferr > Notferr > RIGHT NOW Ryan Routine > calm down :) Fuffel > hi Notferr > Hello Notferr > NAP was broken by these guys Notferr > And I aparently need to calm down McBryan > and are now refusing compensation Fuffel > NAP is to my knowledge about your and our region Fuffel > so, where did this happen? McBryan > what? McBryan > that makes no sense at all ... - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.04.03 02:57:00 - [44] [ 2004.03.21 18:14:28 ] KIAHicks > Anything CE do outside PA space to anyone that PA do not have an offical relationship with, is CE business. But also CE are doing so on their own without PA support. [ 2004.03.21 18:14:38 ] Notferr > I don't get it... CE is PA, you are PA, and we had a NAP with PA. If there was a communication problem, then that is not our fault [ 2004.03.21 18:14:52 ] Notferr > We treat you with honor and respect, and would like the same returned [ 2004.03.21 18:15:02 ] KIAHicks > We didn't have a nap, thats why we can't get involved [ 2004.03.21 18:15:04 ] Halseth Durn > You have a NAP with PA? [ 2004.03.21 18:15:12 ] Znaei > we just decided to talk to you guys since after dealing with Rona kia, we had the impression that pa and cod had a nap [ 2004.03.21 18:15:14 ] Notferr > Yep [ 2004.03.21 18:15:25 ] Halseth Durn > No you do not [ 2004.03.21 18:15:53 ] KIAHicks > rona-kia just had an agreement to use deklein stations whilst fighint evol. We agreed to respect your territory and keep out of your belts etc and only use stations to dock. [ 2004.03.21 18:15:55 ] Halseth Durn > Would you like one? [ 2004.03.21 18:16:02 ] KIAHicks > we were not at any stage speaking for pa [ 2004.03.21 18:17:18 ] Halseth Durn > Any diplomatic deals have to go through myself. [ 2004.03.21 18:17:55 ] Halseth Durn > I am recognizing this as a matter between the CE corp and the corp that lost a ship. [ 2004.03.21 18:19:11 ] Notferr > Just for clarrifaction.. [ 2004.03.21 18:19:28 ] Xtal Ikiros > really. [ 2004.03.21 18:19:28 ] Notferr > So If I now attack CE, PA will keep a hands off policy? [ 2004.03.21 18:19:36 ] Znaei > yes, we only approached you guys, since we where under the impression that we had a nap [ 2004.03.21 18:19:47 ] KIAHicks > so long as your attacks are outside venal space then we will not interfere [ 2004.03.21 18:19:50 ] KIAHicks > its a matter between you and ce [ 2004.03.21 18:20:02 ] Halseth Durn > Sorry for the misunderstanding. [ 2004.03.21 18:20:15 ] KIAHicks > if you do want an official nap though, speak to halseth. [ 2004.03.21 18:20:15 ] Halseth Durn > and what Hicks said [ 2004.03.21 18:20:25 ] KIAHicks > then we can discuss at a meeting etc with all corps involved [ 2004.03.21 18:20:35 ] Notferr > Question [ 2004.03.21 18:20:40 ] Notferr > PA is anti-pirate? [ 2004.03.21 18:20:46 ] Notferr > correct? [ 2004.03.21 18:20:48 ] KIAHicks > yes [ 2004.03.21 18:20:57 ] KIAStumpy > yes we try [ 2004.03.21 18:21:00 ] Spikeone > who from COD is going to speak to Halseth about the long term arrangement (NAP)? [ 2004.03.21 18:21:11 ] Notferr > Ok, then shouldn't a member of your alliance that commits piracy be held accountable? [ 2004.03.21 18:21:26 ] Notferr > Because it does not look well for PA [ 2004.03.21 18:21:42 ] KIAHicks > what is and isn't piracy depends upon the reasons behind the attack [ 2004.03.21 18:21:44 ] Notferr > and I generally like you guys, but am disappointed [ 2004.03.21 18:22:01 ] KIAHicks > if CE sit camping and killing anyone then its piracy and we will sort it, but attacking a corp isn't piracy [ 2004.03.21 18:22:05 ] Halseth Durn > The incedent is currently under investigation and CE may be repremanded. [ 2004.03.21 18:22:05 ] Notferr > They saw me in system.. I did not target, they attacked [ 2004.03.21 18:22:25 ] Notferr > No local traffic, no warning, no hostile action taken by myself [ 2004.03.21 18:22:37 ] KIAHicks > as halseth says, we will look at the matter internally and speak to CE, but we will not get involved between the two of you [ 2004.03.21 18:23:09 ] Znaei > ok, I think this sums it up for me, we will get back to you regarding the NAP [ 2004.03.21 18:23:13 ] KIAHicks > however, until we know why CE attacked the pilot, I can't really comment. [ 2004.03.21 18:23:20 ] KIAHicks > ok znaei [ 2004.03.21 18:23:36 ] Halseth Durn > sounds good [ 2004.03.21 18:23:48 ] Halseth Durn > TAlk to you soon. [ 2004.03.21 18:23:53 ] Znaei > thax for your time cya guys and have fun [ 2004.03.21 18:23:55 ] KIAStumpy > ok guys bb [ 2004.03.21 18:23:59 ] KIAHicks > cya - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.04.03 02:59:00 - [45] Nothing ever heard about the "investigation". Why doesn't PA deal with their ppl? I respect PA, and like to think they are fair. - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Diamond Dog	Posted - 2004.04.03 03:00:00 - [46] Slander. ________________________________________
Toulak	Posted - 2004.04.03 03:13:00 - [47] Quote: [ 2004.03.21 18:14:38 ] Notferr > I don't get it... CE is PA, you are PA, and we had a NAP with PA. If there was a communication problem, then that is not our fault [ 2004.03.21 18:14:52 ] Notferr > We treat you with honor and respect, and would like the same returned [ 2004.03.21 18:15:02 ] KIAHicks > We didn't have a nap, thats why we can't get involved [ 2004.03.21 18:15:04 ] Halseth Durn > You have a NAP with PA? Halseth you'll soon learn that the CoD alliance likes to make up NAPs for their own benefit and when the parties that have the supposed NAP gank em they scream pirates and want compensation. Quite funny when they start screaming on the forums and in convos.
Landmass	Posted - 2004.04.03 03:51:00 - [48] Dude rona could have run you all out of deklein and annexed it if they wanted. they let you stay there. I think you better be kissing their sweet butts for their generosity rather than stirring up more **** before they come down and make Deklein the Rona region and put u all out of business :P
Heff	Posted - 2004.04.03 07:34:00 - [49] Quote: Halseth you'll soon learn that the CoD alliance likes to make up NAPs for their own benefit and when the parties that have the supposed NAP gank em they scream pirates and want compensation. Quite funny when they start screaming on the forums and in convos. With all due respect Toulak, sticking to the facts would keep this thread much more productive. Your yippety yap has no place here.
Schaedel	Posted - 2004.04.03 08:51:00 - [50] Edited by: Schaedel on 03/04/2004 08:55:05 when u die, die like a man! dont flame like a kid who lost his lollipop...
PaulAtreides	Posted - 2004.04.03 09:22:00 - [51] /emote frowns at his hikacked thread > Want to work for me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.04.03 10:45:00 - [52] Well same BS that CE tried to tell me/RKK Well i got my 100mio from them Wanna fly with me?
Cpt Pugwash	Posted - 2004.04.03 11:24:00 - [53] Don't know about CE but Playboy are a bunch of pirates always have been. They tried to kill me on my first day in Eve, came after me in 8 BS, said i was ore stealing in an Ibis
Darkcraft	Posted - 2004.04.03 12:49:00 - [54] What might help things along would be if venture corp and exodus members weren't caught mining in PA space. If CoD is looking for a diplomatic solution i suggest they dont start making things worse.
Arcturius II	Posted - 2004.04.03 13:37:00 - [55] Edited by: Arcturius II on 03/04/2004 13:38:12 All gamelogs/chatlogs can be easily forged. And thus are completely worthless in any argument. Good day.
Judicator	Posted - 2004.04.03 14:26:00 - [56] I think my arse is forged. -------------------------
Notferr	Posted - 2004.04.03 17:08:00 - [57] You know, I think this tread HAS served a purpose. This is blatant whining. Consider that over. I lose a ship, its part of the game, I was ***ed, and now I am past it. Learned something from it after all. The N man signing off, hoping to find those guys outside of Venal.... - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse* Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.

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