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Janis Ezra
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.02.16 13:48:00 -
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Hi there,
I just finished (almost) my Tengu skill plan, and I am a little bit disappointed. In the last mission I did, I counted the cicles I need to kill ****. It was Angel Extravaganza (IV), I fly in minmatar space. Heres a short list of how many cicles I needed to kill ship types:
gist war general: 10 / 11 / 10 / 12 / 12 angel viper: 7 / 6 / 7 / 4 / 7 / 6 gist warlord: 12 / 10 / 12 / 12 tribunus: 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 liquidator: 7 nephilim: 12 gist general: 10 / 10 / 11 / 10 spider drone: 14 / 12 tiogo kargaz: 14
My fitting:
[Tengu, 1] Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Trauma Fury Heavy Missile)
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
3x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
My skill sheet:
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Janis_Ezra
Are those numbers normal? What skills am I missing? Before I used a CNR (on other account) to fly some L4s, I had the feeling it was way faster with a CNR. With my current tengu setup it took me almost 55minutes to complete Angel Extravaganza. Any ideas?
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
6
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:06:00 -
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Janis Ezra wrote:Hi there, I just finished (almost) my Tengu skill plan, and I am a little bit disappointed. In the last mission I did, I counted the cicles I need to kill ****. It was Angel Extravaganza (IV), I fly in minmatar space. Heres a short list of how many cicles I needed to kill ship types: gist war general: 10 / 11 / 10 / 12 / 12 angel viper: 7 / 6 / 7 / 4 / 7 / 6 gist warlord: 12 / 10 / 12 / 12 tribunus: 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 liquidator: 7 nephilim: 12 gist general: 10 / 10 / 11 / 10 spider drone: 14 / 12 tiogo kargaz: 14 My fitting: [Tengu, 1] Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Trauma Fury Heavy Missile) Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron 3x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I My skill sheet: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Janis_EzraAre those numbers normal? What skills am I missing? Before I used a CNR (on other account) to fly some L4s, I had the feeling it was way faster with a CNR. With my current tengu setup it took me almost 55minutes to complete Angel Extravaganza. Any ideas?
This looks pretty normal, angel extra require little tank except in the bonus room (successfully ran it in a PvP fit shield auto cane, no bonus room ofc), you really want to strive for max dps in that one. You can use a 4th BCS and then use HAM (2 of your rigs becomes useless), but basically the Tengu got too much tank and not enough gank for L4s. It's pretty good in lowsec (can be made hard to probe, gatecamp evasion ability) but suboptimal in highsec compared to a marauder or a faction BS. |
Texty
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:06:00 -
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Hi.
If you like killing every rat in your mission, I recommend sticking to your gank fit CNR. Your numbers aren't that bad imo but when it comes to killing everything as fast as possible, a rigor rigged CNR with good drone skills will probably beat a Tengu in most missions. Or may be move to Gurista space. |
prolix travail
Blue Mountain Trails
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:09:00 -
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You don't need the damage control so that could be swapped for another bcu. Also the shield extender can be removed as your tank is more than enough. That free med slot can be used to fit a web, shield boost amp, cap mod etc...
Training rapid launch 5 and getting some 3% implants to rof and heavy missile damage wouldn't do any harm. You would be doing 729 dps / 2770 volley with trauma fury then, more than enough to clear out battleships quickly. |
Mnengli Noiliffe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:34:00 -
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use 5% implants for rof, damage, velocity factor and sig radius factor, also use CN missiles for the spider drones and the likes. they only take 2-4 volleys with that equipment.
oh and your skills are not particularly good to expect stellar performance from a tengu. 2m sp in missiles? seriously.... |
Janis Ezra
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:38:00 -
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prolix travail wrote:You don't need the damage control so that could be swapped for another bcu. Also the shield extender can be removed as your tank is more than enough. That free med slot can be used to fit a web, shield boost amp, cap mod etc...
Training rapid launch 5 and getting some 3% implants to rof and heavy missile damage wouldn't do any harm. You would be doing 729 dps / 2770 volley with trauma fury then, more than enough to clear out battleships quickly.
Implants I use:
Squire PG4 ZML1000 ZMA1000 ZMS1000 ZMM1000
Are those optimal? Sometimes I mess things up between all those rocket/missile types.
You think the tank is too much? Didnt had that feeling, AB + shield booster only runs 2minutes, and there where situations I needed to shield boost for a long time.
Guess I have to rapid launch 5 then... 7days ugh.
ps: about guristas space, Im not in a 0.0 corp, so thats not possible. |
Janis Ezra
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:40:00 -
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Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:use 5% implants for rof, damage, velocity factor and sig radius factor, also use CN missiles for the spider drones and the likes. they only take 2-4 volleys with that equipment.
oh and your skills are not particularly good to expect stellar performance from a tengu. 2m sp in missiles? seriously....
Thats why I asked for advice, "seriosuly" doesnt help me at all. |
Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:45:00 -
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Trade your medium booster for a small one. Always keep your AB on and kill the small stuff first, once the frigs are dead, move on to the cruisers, then BC's, etc. Tengu's tank is mostly speed against larger ships for PvE.
With your rigor rigs you don't need the TP, standard or faction missles will hit frigs fine, cruisers will take close to max damage, dessies can be one shotted, and everything bigger takes full damage.
also Kinetic is good against Angels, but it is not as good as explosive was from a CNR. Add to the much higher ROF on a Tengu compared to a CNR it seems like you are shooting a lot more, but that is the Tengu's nature. |
prolix travail
Blue Mountain Trails
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:48:00 -
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This is the fit i use:
[Tengu, Standard] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon Afterburners Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
With implants:
zmh2000 (5% damage for heavy missiles) <--- this is better than the zml as the tengu has enough range zma100 zms100 zmm1000
Dps / Volley
trauma 593 / 2072 trauma fury 759 / 2653
This tanks more than enough for any lvl4, is alot cheaper isk wise and easier on cap. If i wanted to pimp with cn bcus' (although the damage increase doesn't seem worth the isk/added gank risk) the damage is as follows:
trauma 631 / 2206 trauma fury 808 / 2824
Hope it helps
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Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:40:00 -
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prolix travail wrote:This is the fit i use:
[Tengu, Standard]
So you drop the cash on the T2 rig for the paper DPS add, don't run Navy BCU's and lack rigor rigs to help kill the smaller stuff that will screw a Tengu. |
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prolix travail
Blue Mountain Trails
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:57:00 -
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Kneebone wrote:prolix travail wrote:This is the fit i use:
[Tengu, Standard]
So you drop the cash on the T2 rig for the paper DPS add, don't run Navy BCU's and lack rigor rigs to help kill the smaller stuff that will screw a Tengu.
Indeed.
The 'paper' dps of a T2 bay loader has a positive effect against all npcs, whereas rigors are only effective against frigates and slightly less against cruisers.
I've never had any trouble in any mission, and will quite happily pull full agro. If you are having issues with frigates perhaps your tactics are subpar.
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GF07M8
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:11:00 -
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prolix travail wrote: If you are having issues with frigates perhaps your tactics are subpar.
Confirming there is a huge variance in the way tengus can deal with frigs. It all comes down to shooting them. Diminished LBA vs. taking frigs are cruisers down a volley or two faster? This is a no-brainer unless you are quite sure bs are far and away the most prolific target. Generally that isn't the case. |
Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
31
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:57:00 -
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You can use T2 turrets, so hop in a Maelstrom, you will be much more effective than in a Tengu (at least against Angels) |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
806
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:07:00 -
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Janis Ezra wrote: gist war general: 10 / 11 / 10 / 12 / 12 angel viper: 7 / 6 / 7 / 4 / 7 / 6 gist warlord: 12 / 10 / 12 / 12 tribunus: 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 liquidator: 7 nephilim: 12 gist general: 10 / 10 / 11 / 10 spider drone: 14 / 12 tiogo kargaz: 14
I think you need to watch on your missile skills side, there's something wrong for me in those numbers because without perfect skills I get something clearly different:
BS - until 1M bounty around 6/8 volley (T2 ammo)
Assault/elite frigates: 1 to 3 volley (T1 ammo is preferred over faction/precision provided you're using 2 T2 rigors and 1 T2 flare)
Cruisers/bs's: 2 to 3 volley T2 ammo (same comment above for rigs)
Throne BS or all bounty over 1M: 8/10 volley T2 ammo
(numbers out of my head but I'm sure some rats I need less volleys)
Quote: [Tengu, 1] Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Trauma Fury Heavy Missile)
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
3x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Not IG atm but just out of my head I'd say subs are ok, mid slots are meh, low slots you can improve them once you get better skills. About Items quality: you're using a med SB, you should be able to tank no matter the lvl4 including plex until DED6 with a single small SB (did it for a moment with my alt and far from perfect skills) -you could use that energy for something else.
RF AB is a hell of an improvement for this ship since most of it's tank comes out of his speed and sign, aim for it Then some other stuff I'd change it, but it's more of a personal choice.
Quote:http://eveboard.com/pilot/Janis_Ezra
Ok, I understand now a little better. You're missing some important skills, well some 5's. -First for fittings with Engineering tree: shield skills up to 5 and compensations up to 4 is not an option. -Electronics: some skills are better up to 5, everything that reduces cpu use or increases the amount available, aim for it, it's not an option at a certain point
Missiles: you're missing most 5's support skills so you're loosing dps, by a lot at the end of the day -implants or not implants? : think about +5% impact speed +5% dmg -5% ROF - this adds some very nice dps
Subsystems up to 5: it's not an option
Seeing those numbers in the character sheet I'd say your numbers are normal. You're in need of a larger number of 5's in crucial trees to get the best out of that ship. You're just missing some stuff but important stuff, keep your effort.
As for dps, once you get those crucial lvl 5's that you change a little bit your fit and without a lot of pimp you get out of it at least 800dps and +/- 50DPS with another rig setup but slightly more pimp (your med SB will be useful in that case)
C'mon pilot, you are not far from those 5's and you'll need them anyway for no matter the ship you fly after so be patient, keep training. Be careful to not much pimp your fit, first because you become a nice target as loot pi+Ķata. Then because you'll feel nice in some missions thx to the pimp stuff boost in that particular case, you try to push the machine and find how much it has in the tank and... you'll loose it.
Get in to one ship is "one thing", use it at it's full potential it's "another stuff". A lot of forum warrior nerds should think about before saying you get in an overpowered ship in a few weeks. Now you see by yourself how stupid some can be, Tengu is not overpowered, you need a hell of 5's number to be effective with.
Just an opinion. |
Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
39
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:14:00 -
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your double tank needs to go....booster(s) or LSE, pick one. Ideally not the lse....tengu speed sig tanks. Well that and lse + angels and thier love of paint equals a fatter target.
Flare II, rigor II, 3 rd rig your choice. No bay loader, bay loader bad. BY the time all the stacking penalties hit its basically crap. Crap that is permanently on your ship you can never get back an isk. CN BCU's are stacked to be fair.....but you can resell them later or take off if you want and put on other ships.
If dedicated pve the goal run the implants mentioned above. rof, damage, velocity and radius is a very effective cocktail I run at 5% for all. With the benefit except for the 5 % damage....rest carries over to other ships. Helped when I gave golem a go. And when I feel the need to af mission run lv 1-3.....it even helps out on frigs as well. |
stoicfaux
755
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:17:00 -
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Janis Ezra wrote: gist war general: 10 / 11 / 10 / 12 / 12 angel viper: 7 / 6 / 7 / 4 / 7 / 6 gist warlord: 12 / 10 / 12 / 12 tribunus: 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 liquidator: 7 nephilim: 12 gist general: 10 / 10 / 11 / 10 spider drone: 14 / 12 tiogo kargaz: 14
Assuming max skills, 5% implants, T2 RoF rig, 1x rigor, Kinetic missiels, 4xCN BCUs and not taking NPC repairing into account:
Gist War General : 8.21 volleys -> 9 volleys to kill (VTK) with Fury
Angel Viper: 4 volleys with T1/Faction and various rigs, 4 volleys with percision with 1 Rigor , 5 volleys with 1 rigor, 6-7 volleys with Fury depending on rigs
Gist Warlord: 9.41 volleys -> 10 volleys with Fury
Gistatis Tribunus: 3 volleys with Fury
Arch Gistum Liquidator: 6 volleys with Fury or CN
Gist Nephilim: 9.74 or 10 volleys with Fury
Gist General: 7.46 or 8 volleys with Fury
Spider Drone II: 4.83 or 5 volleys with 2xRigorII + 1xFlareII, 5 volleys for precision with 3x rigors, 6 volleys with T1 ammo, 7 volleys with T1 and 1 Rigor or 2 Flares, 8 volleys with Fury and 2xRigorII + 1xFlare II/RigorI, 10 volleys with Fury with one Rigor or with 2xFlares.
Tiogo (Gist Throne or Malakim) Gist Throne - 10.11 or 11 volleys with Fury
tl;dr You have some room for improvement. Start with a 4th CN BCU.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Tidurious
The Dirty Rejects Scelus Sceleris.
80
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:16:00 -
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This might be a little off-topic, but you will finish missions faster (unless you're blitzing them) in a BS rather than a Tengu, and you'll also finish faster with projectiles, rather than missiles.
Just my .02 ISK |
Cathy Drall
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
235
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:21:00 -
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Tidurious wrote:This might be a little off-topic, but you will finish missions faster (unless you're blitzing them) in a BS rather than a Tengu, and you'll also finish faster with projectiles, rather than missiles.
Just my .02 ISK Not all missions. 806 kinetic DPS @700m/s and 100+ km missile range is still very decent.
Personally I find a Tengu a lot more fun to do L4 missions than slowboating between groups and accelleration gates in a sluggish megapulse Abbaddon or 800mm AC M+Šlstr++m. |
Msgerbs
Imperial Assualt Guild
4
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Posted - 2012.02.18 08:13:00 -
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Circles? |
Mavnas
The Scope Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.02.18 09:41:00 -
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Are you turning off your launchers early and picking the next target those times when you're far enough away that you launch the next 1-2 volleys even after the killing one is flying towards the ship? Because that's a pretty big problem with missiles, especially if you're killing smaller targets at long range and you're shooting 4-5 times to kill something with 3 volleys. |
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2852
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Posted - 2012.02.18 09:57:00 -
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Misanthra wrote:your double tank needs to go....booster(s) or LSE, pick one. Ideally not the lse....tengu speed sig tanks. Well that and lse + angels and thier love of paint equals a fatter target.
You do realise that there are greater dangers in the EVE universe than red crosses, right?
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Death Killer21
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
4
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Posted - 2012.02.18 10:02:00 -
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OK, ive seen the tengu do the mission angel extravaganxer many time, therefore im going to give you a fit that i know works. This fit isnt mine, but i got it from this link
The fit he uses is:
[Tengu, Lvl 4 mission] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Domination Shield Boost Amplifier Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
That is cap stable running all, i know ive got it in eft now. if you cant get it to be stable drop the medium warhead rigors for ccc's till it is CS and it will tank and do insane ammounts of dps for you.
Death killer21
Proud member of whips chains and ballgags
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2853
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Posted - 2012.02.18 10:11:00 -
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"insane ammounts of dps" without CN Ballistic Control Systems? Awesome!
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Death Killer21
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
4
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Posted - 2012.02.18 11:26:00 -
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Death Killer21 wrote:OK, ive seen the tengu do the mission angel extravaganxer many time, therefore im going to give you a fit that i know works. This fit isnt mine, but i got it from this linkThe fit he uses is: [Tengu, Lvl 4 mission] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Domination Shield Boost Amplifier Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node That is cap stable running all, i know ive got it in eft now. if you cant get it to be stable drop the medium warhead rigors for ccc's till it is CS and it will tank and do high ammounts of dps. If u want INSANE ammounts of dps then fit caldri navy ballistic control systems
Death killer21
Proud member of whips chains and ballgags
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Janis Ezra
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.02.18 11:38:00 -
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Death Killer21 wrote:OK, ive seen the tengu do the mission angel extravaganxer many time, therefore im going to give you a fit that i know works.
The fit he uses is:
[Tengu, Lvl 4 mission] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Domination Shield Boost Amplifier Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
That is cap stable running all, i know ive got it in eft now. if you cant get it to be stable drop the medium warhead rigors for ccc's till it is CS and it will tank and do insane ammounts of dps for you.
I changed my fitting to a smiliar one like this:
[Tengu, 1] Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Trauma Fury Heavy Missile)
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner Pithii Small Shield Booster Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Invulnerability Field II Race specific hardener
4x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
It is capstable now, 450-800 DPS Tank, and 690DPS with my skills so far, need to change my implants to 5% HM dmg. I know some ppl now say that this tank is overkill, but I like to run capstable, seeing my shield always at 100% and just shoot everthing without care. Plus I dont really see how I can increase my DPS with med slots?
Also I would like to get rid of the CCC II, but thats another month of skilling engineering skills, though I might need them anyway in the future for machariel/nightmare PvE?
Think I understand now that I need the Leve 5 damage skills, and I'm training them now. Are there any tools where I can see the difference between f.e. Missile Projection 4 -> 5, Guided Missile Precision 4 -> 5, Target Navigation Prediction 4 -> 5 and Missile Bombardment 4 -> 5? Since in EVEHQ it doesnt change the DPS or anything like that. So I dont know if they are worth it. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
810
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Posted - 2012.02.18 11:55:00 -
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You can use EFT to see the difference and impact of a lvl5 skill over a lvl4.
Once installed and you learned the basics plug your fit -oc you've imported first your char API so the program knows his skills Right click on any mod and use "affected by skill" and change the lvl of that skill.
You'll see small stuff at the end makes big stuff. |
Sunviking
The Shining Knights
16
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Posted - 2012.02.18 12:37:00 -
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HAM Tengu ftw...
Mine kicks out 966dps with Trauma Rage, and has a 41km effective range, 72km with Javelins... 1,100 dps overheated.
5% implants included of course. |
MeganFox1131 Ohaya
ASMODEUS INFINITE F0RCEFUL ENTRY
1
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Posted - 2012.02.18 19:57:00 -
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Take out the damage control, its unnecessary. Also T1 Shield extender? Another thing, use T2 HAMs. Can get about 800dps easily. |
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