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Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.18 10:26:00 - [631] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam No, the risk was taken when you asked for it. The actual state is just the consequence, because you didn't think someone will actually have the guts to come for BoB. It was starting to look that way. God knows how many times you have to poke someone with a stick before they will have the guts to fight back. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
DT3 The Huns	Posted - 2008.02.18 10:32:00 - [632] Edited by: DT3 on 18/02/2008 10:37:51 Edited by: DT3 on 18/02/2008 10:35:02 Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Fred0 Sometimes you have to take risks to win, something BOB has forgotten about it seems. Some ppl might suggest that standing up against the majority of Eve's 0.0 population is somewhat of a risk. No, the risk was taken when you asked for it. The actual state is just the consequence, because you didn't think someone will actually have the guts to come for BoB. We knew you would come, it was just a matter of waiting for you to NAP enough ppl. In general ppl are always "braver" in crowds.. so takes less "guts", as you put it.. Would you like to paste your NAP list? BEFORE anyone "came" for you? If you didn't have all those blues you would have lost your space a long time ago. Go and thank MC for their help. @Lordwarawhatever - Its interesting you mention that your better then everyone. I am interested to see your explanation on where you would be if MC hadn't cleared the north. Stop talking nonsense for once.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.18 10:42:00 - [633] Originally by: DT3 @Lordwarawhatever - Its interesting you mention that your better then everyone. Are you saying that Razor is better than bob? I dont think even Razor beleive that themselves? BTW - Post with your main Dee Tee -- Billion Isk Mission
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.18 10:43:00 - [634] Originally by: DT3 Would you like to paste your NAP list? BEFORE anyone "came" for you? If you didn't have all those blues you would have lost your space a long time ago. Stop talking nonsense for once. Not nonsense bud cos if you check your facts BOB has been outnumbered at least 2-1 for years it was just never enough to break them. But last year it climbed even higher and with the nerfs has actualy managed to take them down.
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.02.18 10:43:00 - [635] Originally by: DT3 Would you like to paste your NAP list? BEFORE anyone "came" for you? If you didn't have all those blues you would have lost your space a long time ago. Go and thank MC for their help. ... Stop talking nonsense for once. Morning Dtee.. The numbers of allies BOB had was well documented at the beginning of the war.. I'm not sure what issue you are trying to make of it now.. MC helped bob in the past yes, but as they found out in PB, even with evoke, outbreak and KIA.. they arent a match for BOB.. the same could be said for ASCN.. so who exactly would BOB have lost it's space to long ago, considering that even currently, it is taking everyone allied to fight BOB? _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
DT3 The Huns	Posted - 2008.02.18 10:45:00 - [636] Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: DT3 @Lordwarawhatever - Its interesting you mention that your better then everyone. Are you saying that Razor is better than bob? I dont think even Razor beleive that themselves? BTW - Post with your main Dee Tee Why dont you make me?, Sherlock ?
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.18 10:45:00 - [637] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam The funniest part is that when your side lags, you come whipping on the forums like you haven't seen lag before. But when you crowd a system with fighters deployed from 40 carriers and MS and the other side jumps into you, it was a good fight, manageable lag and all in all a marvelous tactical achievement. Nope, generally everyone whines about lag - just the losing side blames it. It's always the same, and perfectly understandable. Maybe you have an open mind about Eve in general, but I remind you that a fair part of BoB doesn't. They spin when it's not in their favor, blame whatever... and then, when they win, they play the "Chou-chou" card and disregard whatever objective reason the opposing party had for losing. Nearly 1 week ago when a 100-120 BoB/allies jumped into qy6, while the system already had us with 200 in it and about 150 deployed on the k-6 gate. Both sides suffered from it, but BoB played the victim card as you had to load the grid several times, which you normally don't. You started crying a river, which normally doesn't happen, because lag is manageable when you win. However, when our allied forces cynoed into PR- and the BS fleet was stuck in jump and couldn't fight, BoB thought they made a genius plan and needed to rabble about it and they still do. The lag was manageable for your side and you had a win. In other words you disregarded the fact that our allies got stuck in jump or cyno ques. Hell, some of BoB even named us incompetent for cynoing caps in advance and waiting for support to arrive, but in other posts we are called cowards because we don't bring it. How is that understandable?
DT3 The Huns	Posted - 2008.02.18 10:48:00 - [638] Edited by: DT3 on 18/02/2008 10:51:02 Edited by: DT3 on 18/02/2008 10:49:36 Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: DT3 Would you like to paste your NAP list? BEFORE anyone "came" for you? If you didn't have all those blues you would have lost your space a long time ago. Go and thank MC for their help. ... Stop talking nonsense for once. Morning Dtee.. The numbers of allies BOB had was well documented at the beginning of the war.. I'm not sure what issue you are trying to make of it now.. MC helped bob in the past yes, but as they found out in PB, even with evoke, outbreak and KIA.. they arent a match for BOB.. the same could be said for ASCN.. so who exactly would BOB have lost it's space to long ago, considering that even currently, it is taking everyone allied to fight BOB? I would disagree with you the post d2 and north war bob is different from the BoB that was there before hand the mass recruiting of anyone who can fly a ship is what matched BoB up against MC and friends. It was clear in Tpar that point that the number BoB had were far superior then MC and friends. BoB held on yes, to stations because CYNO jammers did all the wor. Territorial control was till not with BoB. Holding a station for 1 night with 220 in system isn't being better then anyone. I am not saying BoB aren't good. I just feel your full of far too much crap far too often. All I am saying is had it ont been for your friends. You would have been down to delve a long time ago.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.18 10:52:00 - [639] Originally by: Lord WarATron "Omg, Bob cynojammed Pr-, their cowards!" Till you worked out Pr- is impossible to cynojam. Now its the "Lag card" when your side brings mostly crap to the battlefield slowing everyone down? May I have the exact reference of your argument? Originally by: Lord WarATron Why not hit the truth man, our only advantage is that we are better than you! Well, no one said you weren't good at anything. But, you're not as good as you think. And when you fail, you're just like the others, blame this, blame that. But, when you win, omg... you feel like omnipotence itself disregarding any beating you took before. Nice attitude.
DT3 The Huns	Posted - 2008.02.18 10:53:00 - [640] Edited by: DT3 on 18/02/2008 10:53:48 Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 18/02/2008 10:48:12 Originally by: DT3 Would you like to paste your NAP list? BEFORE anyone "came" for you? If you didn't have all those blues you would have lost your space a long time ago. Stop talking nonsense for once. Not nonsense bud cos if you check your facts BOB has been outnumbered at least 2-1 for years it was just never enough to break them. But last year it climbed even higher and with the nerfs has actualy managed to take them down. Here is a list if your interested in facts not fiction or propaganda: * Format: Year-Month-Day 07-03-04 By Haizum Coalition - 26,413 pilots BoB/LV side - 12,155 pilots 07-03-10 by [BOB][BNC] DoctorGonzo Coalition - 26445 BoB & Allies - 12723 07-10-22 by [TCF][COLSUP] Zoltaris Approx. number of active GBC pilots = 9408 Approx. number of all GBC pilots = 12114 Approx. number of all Coalition pilots = 31316 08-01-23 by [BOB][BNC] DoctorGonzo Coalition - 33808 BoB & Allies - 9536 08-01-27 Summary by [BOB][EVOL] 7sunami: The Coalition Grand total (43 Alliances, 1 Corp) 44995 The Alliance Grand Total (10 Alliances, 2 Corp) 5328 I am not arguing numbers. I am however arguing the opposite that infact numbers need not be mentioned. Numbers on paper are very different. As not everyone is in the same place at the same time.
BitchInCharge Head-Hunters	Posted - 2008.02.18 10:56:00 - [641] lol @ coalition throlls... you are sooooo frustrated, it's DELICIOUS
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.02.18 10:59:00 - [642] Originally by: DT3 I would disagree with you the post d2 and north war bob is different from the BoB that was there before hand hte mass recruiting of anyone who can fly a ship is what matched BoB up against MC and friends. It was clear at that point that the number BoB had were far superior then MC. BoB held on yes to station because CYNO jammers did all the worl territorial control was till not with BoB. Holding a station for 1 night with 220 in system isn't being better then anyone. I am not saying BoB aren't good. I just feel your full of far too much crap far too often. As the game grows, so does the size of groups.. the choice to form meta-alliances like RSF or grow internally is 1 each group makes for itself. BOB has grown with the game, it not hughly big compared to other groups, so being angry about "mass recruiting" is a bit strange.. The cyno jammer in Tpar was massly over rated, when we were in PB, we regularly turned it off and told MC is was off.. we were busy elsewhere so we couldnt hang about day after day waiting for them to decide to attack, but we did as much as we could to encourage them. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:02:00 - [643] Edited by: Darcuese on 18/02/2008 11:03:13 Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: DT3 Holding a station for 1 night with 220 in system isn't being better then anyone. I am not saying BoB aren't good. I just feel your full of far too much crap far too often. The cyno jammer in Tpar was massly over rated, when we were in PB, we regularly turned it off and told MC is was off.. we were busy elsewhere so we couldnt hang about day after day waiting for them to decide to attack, but we did as much as we could to encourage them. This cant be truth Thoth....just cant be. You taking those wine description again? It is wierd how many ppl have 1 dimensional perception when its suite them however me, myself and I ------>
DT3 The Huns	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:02:00 - [644] Edited by: DT3 on 18/02/2008 11:04:05 Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: DT3 I would disagree with you the post d2 and north war bob is different from the BoB that was there before hand hte mass recruiting of anyone who can fly a ship is what matched BoB up against MC and friends. It was clear at that point that the number BoB had were far superior then MC. BoB held on yes to station because CYNO jammers did all the worl territorial control was till not with BoB. Holding a station for 1 night with 220 in system isn't being better then anyone. I am not saying BoB aren't good. I just feel your full of far too much crap far too often. As the game grows, so does the size of groups.. the choice to form meta-alliances like RSF or grow internally is 1 each group makes for itself. BOB has grown with the game, it not hughly big compared to other groups, so being angry about "mass recruiting" is a bit strange.. The cyno jammer in Tpar was massly over rated, when we were in PB, we regularly turned it off and told MC is was off.. we were busy elsewhere so we couldnt hang about day after day waiting for them to decide to attack, but we did as much as we could to encourage them. I am not sure how true this is. I am pretty sure whatever decision you made was an obvious trap to gank MC capitals like i've said many many times before. It would have been foolish to jump in there wiht 50 caps for BoB to bring 150. Anyway thats besides th epoint. I am also sure that if BoB turned the cyno jammer off then why woudl they defend the staiton 220? so whining about numbers against 12k vs 20k is ok but with our 180 and your 220+ fleet for cap killing isn't allowed? hmm interesting. I dont know why I come across so emo. Its probably because I am at work and would much rather be at home relaxing. In a game such as eve ther eis no "dying". I am pretty sure BoB will come out of it or take more space but that doesn't mean I dont want to or haven't enjoyed watching you loose your space and loosing number and stations like it was going out of fashion.
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:04:00 - [645] Originally by: DT3 Edited by: DT3 on 18/02/2008 10:53:48 Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 18/02/2008 10:48:12 Originally by: DT3 Would you like to paste your NAP list? BEFORE anyone "came" for you? If you didn't have all those blues you would have lost your space a long time ago. Stop talking nonsense for once. Not nonsense bud cos if you check your facts BOB has been outnumbered at least 2-1 for years it was just never enough to break them. But last year it climbed even higher and with the nerfs has actualy managed to take them down. Here is a list if your interested in facts not fiction or propaganda: * Format: Year-Month-Day 07-03-04 By Haizum Coalition - 26,413 pilots BoB/LV side - 12,155 pilots 07-03-10 by [BOB][BNC] DoctorGonzo Coalition - 26445 BoB & Allies - 12723 07-10-22 by [TCF][COLSUP] Zoltaris Approx. number of active GBC pilots = 9408 Approx. number of all GBC pilots = 12114 Approx. number of all Coalition pilots = 31316 08-01-23 by [BOB][BNC] DoctorGonzo Coalition - 33808 BoB & Allies - 9536 08-01-27 Summary by [BOB][EVOL] 7sunami: The Coalition Grand total (43 Alliances, 1 Corp) 44995 The Alliance Grand Total (10 Alliances, 2 Corp) 5328 I am not arguing numbers. I am however arguing the opposite that infact numbers need not be mentioned. Numbers on paper are very different. As not everyone is in the same place at the same time. BOB started wars with the biggest in eve and won outnumbered every time and as far as im concerned that shows a certian type of player/players. Those that are now beating them recruited and napped until they outnumbered them 2 or 3-1 and actualy threatened the game itself on out of game forums to get changes so they could beat BOB. And as far as im concerned that shows a certain type of player/players as well and it should be most of eve removing them from 0.0 not BOB.
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:08:00 - [646] Originally by: DT3 I am not sure how true this is. I am pretty sure whatever decision you made was an obvious trap to gank MC capitals like i've said many many times before. It would have been foolish to jump in there wiht 50 caps for BoB to bring 150. Anyway thats besides th epoint. MC + co can manage far more than 50 caps.. I'm not sure how it's a trap though.. we say "hey, we're here now, come fight".. ofc they will lose ships.. we will lose ships too.. it was their choice not to fight.. but that's fine.. we will see them again at some point in the future.. Originally by: DT3 I dont know why I come across so emo. Its probably because I am at work and would much rather be at home relaxing. it's cool, we'd all prefer to be at home _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:10:00 - [647] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 18/02/2008 11:13:48 Originally by: DT3 I am not sure how true this is. I am pretty sure whatever decision you made was an obvious trap to gank MC capitals like i've said many many times before. It would have been foolish to jump in there wiht 50 caps for BoB to bring 150. Anyway thats besides th epoint. Dtee, Please look at This That is MC capitals pos sitting with my dread capital overview on (though it might be all capitals overview I think). The Screen does not show the MC capitals that cynoed out during the time the picture was taken. We brought the same number of capitals roughly, so your argument falls flat. The "Omg Cynojammer" crew are also looking pretty stupid now. MC did not want to engage us in a capital battle and that is their choice to hide in pos and cyno out - or to fight to the last cap. -- Billion Isk Mission
DT3 The Huns	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:13:00 - [648] Edited by: DT3 on 18/02/2008 11:14:02 Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: DT3 I am not sure how true this is. I am pretty sure whatever decision you made was an obvious trap to gank MC capitals like i've said many many times before. It would have been foolish to jump in there wiht 50 caps for BoB to bring 150. Anyway thats besides th epoint. MC + co can manage far more than 50 caps.. I'm not sure how it's a trap though.. we say "hey, we're here now, come fight".. ofc they will lose ships.. we will lose ships too.. it was their choice not to fight.. but that's fine.. we will see them again at some point in the future.. Originally by: DT3 I dont know why I come across so emo. Its probably because I am at work and would much rather be at home relaxing. it's cool, we'd all prefer to be at home I feel that had I been in charge of the MC+SUperfriends campaign there would have been alot more capitals lost by us. I am confident however that the decisions that were made were ofcourse made to preserve the amount of assets and ensure control of PB with as little risk as possible. Why give BoB 10 super cap kills when they are loosing all their space? their numbers? to boost Morale?. @Hey Listen, I know due to my cryptic char name its hard to figure out my main but if you tell me yours, I will tell you mine.Many extremely intelligent people have done it though for help ask Proxay, LordWarAtron, Galavet the list goes on.
Scavok UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:14:00 - [649] You're just too cool for the rest of us lordwaratron
Drutt Warsong The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:15:00 - [650] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Originally by: DT3 Edited by: DT3 on 18/02/2008 10:53:48 Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 18/02/2008 10:48:12 Originally by: DT3 Would you like to paste your NAP list? BEFORE anyone "came" for you? If you didn't have all those blues you would have lost your space a long time ago. Stop talking nonsense for once. Not nonsense bud cos if you check your facts BOB has been outnumbered at least 2-1 for years it was just never enough to break them. But last year it climbed even higher and with the nerfs has actualy managed to take them down. Here is a list if your interested in facts not fiction or propaganda: * Format: Year-Month-Day 07-03-04 By Haizum Coalition - 26,413 pilots BoB/LV side - 12,155 pilots 07-03-10 by [BOB][BNC] DoctorGonzo Coalition - 26445 BoB & Allies - 12723 07-10-22 by [TCF][COLSUP] Zoltaris Approx. number of active GBC pilots = 9408 Approx. number of all GBC pilots = 12114 Approx. number of all Coalition pilots = 31316 08-01-23 by [BOB][BNC] DoctorGonzo Coalition - 33808 BoB & Allies - 9536 08-01-27 Summary by [BOB][EVOL] 7sunami: The Coalition Grand total (43 Alliances, 1 Corp) 44995 The Alliance Grand Total (10 Alliances, 2 Corp) 5328 I am not arguing numbers. I am however arguing the opposite that infact numbers need not be mentioned. Numbers on paper are very different. As not everyone is in the same place at the same time. BOB started wars with the biggest in eve and won outnumbered every time and as far as im concerned that shows a certian type of player/players. Those that are now beating them recruited and napped until they outnumbered them 2 or 3-1 and actualy threatened the game itself on out of game forums to get changes so they could beat BOB. And as far as im concerned that shows a certain type of player/players as well and it should be most of eve removing them from 0.0 not BOB. amen
DT3 The Huns	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:16:00 - [651] Originally by: Scavok You're just too cool for the rest of us lordwaratron I would like to agree with this wholeheartedly.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:17:00 - [652] Originally by: DT3 Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: DT3 @Lordwarawhatever - Its interesting you mention that your better then everyone. Are you saying that Razor is better than bob? I dont think even Razor beleive that themselves? BTW - Post with your main Dee Tee Why dont you make me?, Sherlock ? Only bob post with alts. Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:17:00 - [653] Originally by: HEY LISTEN 08-01-27 Summary by [BOB][EVOL] 7sunami: The Coalition Grand total (43 Alliances, 1 Corp) 44995 The Alliance Grand Total (10 Alliances, 2 Corp) 5328 Wait, i thought there were 25k? Sirmolle has some troubles with maths? <3
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:18:00 - [654] Originally by: DT3 I feel that had I been in charge of the MC+SUperfriends campaign there would have been alot more capitals lost by us. I am confident however that the decisions that were made were ofcourse made to preserve the amount of assets and ensure control of PB with as little risk as possible. Quite correct.. but then what are the ships there for, if not to lose? risk part of what makes PVP fun.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:21:00 - [655] Originally by: DT3 Just out of interest LordWarAtron and Thoth... Red alliance sends you a memo. They have turned their CYNO jammer off in one of hteir systems. Do you jump in your fleet of dreads? Has bob use capitals against RA in PR- where there is no cyno jammer? Does that answer the question? _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:22:00 - [656] Originally by: DT3 Edited by: DT3 on 18/02/2008 11:18:05 Originally by: Scavok You're just too cool for the rest of us lordwaratron I would like to agree with this wholeheartedly. Just out of interest LordWarAtron and Thoth... Red alliance sends you a memo. They have turned their CYNO jammer off in one of hteir systems. Do you jump in your fleet of dreads? Yes you have attacked many big targets such as ASCN, IAC, Fix, 9cg coalition. (my memory falls short before that) So you are saying they turned they cyno Jammer off at their home system 100 jumps from front line during downtime where nobody can log in Dtee? -- Billion Isk Mission
DT3 The Huns	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:23:00 - [657] Edited by: DT3 on 18/02/2008 11:23:50 Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: DT3 Edited by: DT3 on 18/02/2008 11:18:05 Originally by: Scavok You're just too cool for the rest of us lordwaratron I would like to agree with this wholeheartedly. Just out of interest LordWarAtron and Thoth... Red alliance sends you a memo. They have turned their CYNO jammer off in one of hteir systems. Do you jump in your fleet of dreads? Yes you have attacked many big targets such as ASCN, IAC, Fix, 9cg coalition. (my memory falls short before that) So you are saying they turned they cyno Jammer off at their home system 100 jumps from front line during downtime where nobody can log in Dtee? I am not in RED. It was more of a what if question. :/ Keep up, old chap.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:33:00 - [658] Originally by: DT3 So you are saying they turned they cyno Jammer off at their home system 100 jumps from front line during downtime where nobody can log in Dtee? I am not in RED. It was more of a what if question. :/ Keep up, old chap. A " 100% COAD Dtee's alt fact" suddently turns into a what if question when you lack a answer? -- Billion Isk Mission
DT3 The Huns	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:37:00 - [659] Edited by: DT3 on 18/02/2008 11:38:43 Edited by: DT3 on 18/02/2008 11:38:26 Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: DT3 So you are saying they turned they cyno Jammer off at their home system 100 jumps from front line during downtime where nobody can log in Dtee? I am not in RED. It was more of a what if question. :/ Keep up, old chap. A " 100% COAD Dtee's alt fact" suddently turns into a what if question when you lack a answer? I am not sure why you dont believe me. Why would I suggest at this time that they have if I am not even IN red. Are you an idiot of some sort? Thoth seem to get it just fine. I can however request they do it for you sometime. Then we can see if you have the balls? I dont konw maybe they would oblige if i asked nicely for you? Even then I doubt you would have the nuts.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:39:00 - [660] Edited by: Darcuese on 18/02/2008 11:42:33 Im just feel very honored being surounded by so many skillfull vocals all over universe...from south till north. Of for a beer. When i get back i hope to find some authograms on my table...from Scavok especially. Edit: no need the one from dtee....i have so many autograms of him from the forums its unbeliavable. Till this day i still didnt figure it out, does his words on local/forums bother me more then his voice on TS :/ me, myself and I ------>

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