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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.02.17 02:56:00 -
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Seems to make EVE crash very often. Just a warning to devs/players.
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Larshus Magrus
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.02.17 03:07:00 -
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Newsflash: Vista makes EVERYTHING crash more often.
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Fraszoid
Caldari Condottieri Industries The Economy
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Posted - 2008.02.17 03:24:00 -
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Maybe so, but it only took me a month to cause my XP to BSOD, took me 6 weeks with Vista. Everyone is born right handed, only the great over come it.
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Sikozu Prioris
Suns Of Korhal deadspace society
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Posted - 2008.02.17 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Larshus Magrus Newsflash: Vista makes EVERYTHING crash more often.
Wrong. Vista is millions of times more stable than xp. On the same hardware I get maybe one crash of a program a month in vista x64 ultimate where as in xp programs would crash and lock multiple times a week. Also in vista when a program crashes you nearly never ever have to restart. In xp restart is the solution.
Vista is better than xp, stop believing the news stories that are from vista's launch.
Im running a final beta version of sp1 for vista and i've not experienced any problems with eve.
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Larshus Magrus
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.02.17 04:00:00 -
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I have vista and xp installed on this machine, in truth, just to play eve and use Photoshop. All my work is done in linux because it is secure, but thats neither here nor there.
Point is Vista, for me, and i repeat for me, your experiences may vary, corrupts itself regularly when applying Windows update patches. It gets to the point it wont apply any more patches and ontop of that, installed applications vanish. They still show up as an installed package, but they are gone. The installed applications tool errors when you try and remove them.
Top that off with vista only getting 90Kbps on my gigabit home network (known problem which SP1 is supposed to fix).
Throw in that Vista uses 3d rendering for the desktop so if you play Eve windowed (read 2 or more eve windows at the same time) you experience a slowdown compared to XP because the desktop is stealing resources. Even if you adjust the desktop to "basic" its still rendering in 3d.
For these reasons I, personally, prefer xp to play eve and mess around in PS.
Not a flame war, just stating my preferences.
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.17 04:05:00 -
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Vista has probably been the most destructive OP i ever installed destroyed 2 ddr crossairs sticks 1 gig a pop.
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.02.17 04:44:00 -
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Edited by: MysticNZ on 17/02/2008 04:49:00 Edited by: MysticNZ on 17/02/2008 04:48:38
Originally by: Nova Fox Edited by: Nova Fox on 17/02/2008 04:06:02 Vista has probably been the most destructive OP i ever installed destroyed 2 ddr crossairs sticks 1 gig a pop.
PS I also had my first blue screen of death since windows 95 on vista
even worse it doesnt let you see it long enought to catch the error.
How can Vista destroy memory? This is the most ******** thing I've ever heard. If you get a BSOD it means your hardware is failing. Don't blame Vista for that.
SP1 has fixed the networking issues, also my raid set seems to be faster. Alot of the IO problems are now a thing of the past.
It doesn't let you see it because it is a critical error which would damage your hardware if the computer stayed on. It's protecting your hardware.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2008.02.17 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sikozu Prioris Also in vista when a program crashes you nearly never ever have to restart. In xp restart is the solution.
I don't know how you're running your XP but I can't remember having even a single BSOD or otherwise required to restart after a crash since getting SP2, 2 years ago.
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Mickey Simon
Esoteric Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.17 05:24:00 -
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Cheers for the info OP, I'll make sure to make an image before I install it. To the rest: Vista's developed to have the kernal further removed kinda similar to linux [not nearly as secure as linux, but miles ahead of XP which was swiss cheese] and for majority of users is much more stable, able to handle exceptions, and secure. Vista 64 is miles ahead of x64 in terms of driver support and even though Vista 64 still does have driver issues they're nowhere near as frequent as x64.
I'm sure there are quite a few people with horror stories just as there are people that still can't install XP onto their machines for odd reasons, but for the most part Vista is pretty goddamn stable and nice.
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WredStorm
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.02.17 05:49:00 -
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I've been running EVE on Vista 64-bit Ultimate with the beta release of the SP1 for the last few weeks without any issues at all. Not a single crash, burp, or hiccup. Anyone experiencing problems most likely has a hardware issue... my computer is brand spankin' new and I was able to get 64 bit drivers for everything I'm running. Older computers of course may face issues.
WredStorm
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Celestal
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Posted - 2008.02.17 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Fraszoid Maybe so, but it only took me a month to cause my XP to BSOD, took me 6 weeks with Vista.
maybe you should get someone in who knows what they are doing ?
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.02.17 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: WredStorm I've been running EVE on Vista 64-bit Ultimate with the beta release of the SP1 for the last few weeks without any issues at all. Not a single crash, burp, or hiccup. Anyone experiencing problems most likely has a hardware issue... my computer is brand spankin' new and I was able to get 64 bit drivers for everything I'm running. Older computers of course may face issues.
WredStorm
FIY, I am using the RTM final SP1 non beta on Vista Ultimate 64bit
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.17 08:05:00 -
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sure blame it on hardware, even with the two sticks removed vista still spewed out memory problems and kept BSOD about 15 minutes into eve on max (havent tried other games yet) and about 30-1hr on any other program.
Rolled back to a modified OEM Windows XP sp2 and guess what? all those problems went away. Still havent been able to save the first two chips :(
Then again I didnt shovel out 400$ for ultimate, mine was a free issue copy of windows vista home from microsoft.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.02.17 08:07:00 -
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Vista = Teh Devils ****.
Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english.
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Kavol Valarius
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.17 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: MysticNZ Edited by: MysticNZ on 17/02/2008 04:49:00 Edited by: MysticNZ on 17/02/2008 04:48:38
Originally by: Nova Fox Edited by: Nova Fox on 17/02/2008 04:06:02 Vista has probably been the most destructive OP i ever installed destroyed 2 ddr crossairs sticks 1 gig a pop.
PS I also had my first blue screen of death since windows 95 on vista
even worse it doesnt let you see it long enought to catch the error.
How can Vista destroy memory? This is the most ******** thing I've ever heard.
*tries very hard to keep a straight face*
*fails*
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Thommy
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Posted - 2008.02.17 10:42:00 -
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The way your vista install behaves (or misbehaves) can be of an number of reasons which can be but not limited to:
- bad hardware But you would have problems most likely in any OS in that case
- bad install Files CAN become corrupt right from an fresh install specially if your computer doesnt have an strong enough powersupply for example
- weak powersupply Everyone is getting stronger CPU's, GPU's dolby 5.1, 7.1 or even Ultra 7.4.2 soundsets and memory with great performance which allready need heatsinks but often in such an upgrade the power supply is forgotten.
- old or less / non compatible hardware Sometimes your just unlucky with specific hardware that never will coop with new(er) os'es
There are many more reasons why people can have problems with vista includeing virus / malware / adware. Not sure anymore which install cd of vista it was but there was one inbetween with an virus on it (or was that an xp not sure anymore) so even a fresh install wont guarantee much in that case.
Also (buggy) operating systems CAN kill hardware, specially if it makes bad requests causing for example overclocking or dynamic pooling (double voltage spikes) in the wrong sequence in that case if you have real bad luck the only thing you will hear is an loud click and some hissing sound then your computer screen turns black and shuts down and wont boot up afterwards anymore. No those new motherboards with dynamic overclocking features are risky if an virus ever started abuseing that feature.
My reason why i wont use vista is basicly the same why i wouldnt use specific antivirus products like norton antivirus because its an big strain on computer resources and provices BAD protection (*)!
I feel the same for vista since it will perform alot of stuff you dont use or dont need, which does strain your computers performance. Only advantage is it will have DX 10 but then thats mostly just an trick from M$ to keep selling their OS with an new graphic coat and some new lines of code but for the rest its just XP. Yes thats right they sell you an OS which basicly is not more then an upgrade but they do fork in big $$$ for it though, if it had its original claimed features it would have been more then an new peel & old reel (new filesystem, improved security and multi kernal runtime).
In general vista can be stable just like xp if you have an good install and hardware with proper support for it (and some luck).
* [unrelated to topic but just to build up where i base my statement on] Just a week ago someone delivered his pc which didnt want to boot anymore so first step i took was hook the hd to another comp and perform an antivirus scan and it picked up alot of stuff (norton antivirus was installed on his pc, never catched those virusses).
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Drykor
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.02.17 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Drykor on 17/02/2008 10:52:19 My Vista is working properly, the only thing that ticks me off is that my soundcard manufacturer hasn't released vista 64 bit drivers yet. Still I wouldn't have gotten it if I hadn't bought a new pc, but I'm not gonna get XP now, only to get Vista in a while when there's more dx10 games (I never had a legal XP version, or I would have just left the new PC without an operating system and installed XP 64 bit on it.)
Vista is finally implementing some unix-like features such as not all programs running as root/administrator anymore, very much needed and something that was long overdue. In the end Vista will be the most secure Microsoft operating system but in the meanwhile it will have its problems. It's unforgiveable how long it takes before they solve some basic stuff though and I'm glad I wasn't one of the beta users/early adapters.
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.17 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sikozu Prioris
Originally by: Larshus Magrus Newsflash: Vista makes EVERYTHING crash more often.
Wrong. Vista is millions of times more stable than xp. On the same hardware I get maybe one crash of a program a month in vista x64 ultimate where as in xp programs would crash and lock multiple times a week. Also in vista when a program crashes you nearly never ever have to restart. In xp restart is the solution.
Vista is better than xp, stop believing the news stories that are from vista's launch.
Im running a final beta version of sp1 for vista and i've not experienced any problems with eve.
This, He speaks truth. The idea of XP being vista is the same of the IT freaks booasting that: -
95 > 98 98 > ME ME > 2000 lol 200 > Xp and now Xp > VIsta lol --------------------
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2008.02.17 11:25:00 -
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I've run Vista Ultimate since Aug 07 (I think). Pre Trinity, Eve was 100% stable. Post Trinity, not so much... Post sp1 rc2, no change. From what I can tell sp1 doesn't increase or decrease Eve's stability at all. As I've changed nothing else, I blame the instabilities on CCP, not MS.
As for those saying XP is overall more stable than Vista. Lol. Did you scratch the Vista install disc with a chisel? Even when Eve decides to crash, Vista just restarts the driver with quiet aplomb. Everything else keeps going without a hitch.
Originally by: Mangala Solaris
EVE really doesnt have set goals, its a freeform sandbox - yes a sandbox with kids that occasionally take a dump in it, but a sandbox never the less.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.17 11:37:00 -
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The version of Vista he have in office has a strong tendency to crash and as the PC was sold already assembled by Asus it isn't a power and I hope it isn't a hardware issue.
On a more practical level, the interface of Vista and his Office programs is horrid.
It is slow, confusing, it require a absurd hunt to find the basic commands in the command bars and some of the commond commands require to be added to the base as they aren't considered.
I am still amazed that some genius has decide that "save as" is not a basic command and need to be added.
I use it at least 30 times every day in office.
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.17 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Nova Fox on 17/02/2008 12:57:36 Im going to be simple and sweet,
I know how to take care of my computers and I can verify bad parts, overdraws and cooling (thermal imaging is very damn expensive, calibration isnt fun either.)
Vista has left a very very very bad impression on me, SP1 might change that similar to how Win 98 sec ed did, but pre sp1 vista was one of the worst OS's ive managed to work with since Win 98 pre sec ed.
(also you forgot to mention compressed files as a possible culprit)
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Shintai
Gallente IonTech Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.17 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Shintai on 17/02/2008 13:02:35 I have Vista with SP1 RC refresh. EvE works fine, also with 2 clients at a time.
Perhaps you should check your own computer first.
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Felysta Sandorn
Virulence. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.17 13:08:00 -
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Can we get some dev confirmation on this please? I was just downloading SP1 and cancelled it because of this thread...
I need SP1 to fix a bunch of problems I'm having with media, but if it breaks EVE, I don't want it...
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KrogothZero
Caldari eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.17 13:21:00 -
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I am using SP1 RTM (RC2 refresh) it has no effect on eve what so ever, eve hasn't crashed on me yet since I installed it bar server disconnects :P
I have heard some folks having problems with ancient hardware (driver issues) so maybe that's where you problems are, its not eve specific.
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.17 13:27:00 -
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RC? New feature?
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2008.02.17 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox RC? New feature?
Release Candidate 2. Pre official release, but not Beta :)
Originally by: Mangala Solaris
EVE really doesnt have set goals, its a freeform sandbox - yes a sandbox with kids that occasionally take a dump in it, but a sandbox never the less.
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poppieface
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Posted - 2008.02.17 22:21:00 -
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The final official Vista Sp1 will not be released to the general public until March (unless you're a MSDN subscriber). Until then, they may release more fixes and driver compatibility issues associated with SP1.
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amagonsan
Minmatar Perpetual Reality Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.17 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: amagonsan on 17/02/2008 22:24:24 Vista is NOT better then XP, and XP is NOT better then Vista, they are 2 seperate operating systems that have backward competability to enable them to run programs of previous operating systems..
Now what makes a MS-based operating system give a blue screen: In 90% of the cases its a conflict between driver and hardware, that is caused by eighter a problem with the hardware or a "bug" in the driver. Since Vista is a relatively new operating system, hardware vendors do NOT have their drivers and software fully "bug" free, meaning it does crash a little more. With time, the manufacturers will bring out new drivers that are more stable and Vista it self will become more stable as well.
The "SP1" update of windows seems to have some driver updates that are not error free. Go to your hardware-manufacturer's driver software, and update it with their latest drivers, this should solve most of the Vista SP1 problem.
Edit: (in my case, a realtec driver update solved my Vista problems that occured after SP1)
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Brutoth Tain
Independant Recon and Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2008.02.17 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Brutoth Tain on 17/02/2008 22:24:18 Vista is great, more stable for me and much prettier to look at. I bought it within weeks of release and the driver problems sucked at first but once the hardware manufacturers sorted themselves out its been awesome.
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Raznarok
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.02.17 22:31:00 -
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I run an identical system, and I don't have any problems with EVE.
But to reinforce the other points:
- Vista does suck.
- It does seem to erase memory faster than XP.
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