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Considered
Caldari
Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity
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Posted - 2008.02.17 05:34:00 -
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Hey, a m8 said I could get all attributes to 25 by rolling a Caldari.
Could anyone provide further information?
I will be making this guy Amarr specced...but I want good attributes so will make it Caldari and cross train.
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Crondell
Amarr
The X-Trading Company
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.02.17 05:42:00 -
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+10 through basic+adv learnings
+5 through implants
+2 (or something) through lerning
8 or so base atrributes means, yes you can get around 25
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Considered
Caldari
Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity
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Posted - 2008.02.17 05:43:00 -
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Which bloodline/ancestry etc is it?
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Jameroz
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.02.17 05:56:00 -
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You do understand that all the races and bloodlines got the same amount of total attributes in the end.
Some might get some bonuses due to the learning skills being learned from the start.
If totally balanced character is what you want you can do that with all races except Caldari:
Gallente - Intaki û Artists
Gallente - Jin-Mei û Saan Go Caste
Amarr - Ni-Kunni û Navy Veterans
Minmatar - Sebiestor û Rebels
All these have base attributes below 9 and above 5 and you can balance them with the extra 5 points you get to 8/8/8/8/7 attributes. So if that's what you want then choose one of these.
If you're making pure combat character that doesn't need charisma then Caldari - Achura - Any Ancestry or Amarr - Amarr - Religious Reclaimers is what you want. That gets you lowest possible charisma which is 3.
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Considered
Caldari
Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity
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Posted - 2008.02.17 05:59:00 -
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I'm not sure.
My m8 said that I could get all to 25.
Is it possible to get that on Amarr the way you said or is that just balanced, but with less points or what?
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2008.02.17 06:46:00 -
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Edited by: Jurgen Cartis on 17/02/2008 06:46:23
 Originally by: Considered
I'm not sure.
My m8 said that I could get all to 25.
Is it possible to get that on Amarr the way you said or is that just balanced, but with less points or what?
He is wrong. You cannot get ALL attributes to 25.
You start with 39 points of attributes. Skills add 50 (10 per attribute), and then 10%. Implants add 25 (5 per attribute). So, the maximum number of total attribute points you can have is (39+50+25) * 1.1 = 125.4. That divides evenly down to 25.08, but you can't have 25.08 in each stat, as you can't evenly divide your 39 points among 5 stats.
However, you CAN have 25.3 in every stat except Charisma (24.2). That requires max skills and +5s though. What this means is you can get every stat that most people care about to 25, but all 5 is impossible short of +6 implants (which don't exist).
Seriously, just roll up an Achura and give him 9-11 Per, 9-10 Int, 7-9 Mem, 8-9 Will and 3 Charisma like every other powergamer does.
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Considered
Caldari
Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity
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Posted - 2008.02.17 07:05:00 -
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What ancestry/profession is that?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.17 07:47:00 -
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A 8/8/8/8/7 character with maxed-out learnings and +5 implants will have 25.3 in most attributes and 24.2 in the last one.
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Radical Technologies
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Posted - 2008.02.17 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Considered
What ancestry/profession is that?
Try reading the replies next time.
Jameroz has already stated which Ancestry and Profession in the fourth post of this thread.
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WardogX
Minmatar
Outkasts
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Posted - 2008.02.17 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: WardogX on 17/02/2008 12:14:09
I am minmatar sebiestor rebel and I got 22 char / 24 int / 24 per / 25 mem / 24 will (they would all be 1 point higher if i trained those secondary learning skills from l4 to l5) So this is close to nearly all 25's. reason i made this toon a while back was because those points were so balanced out.
I put 1 more point in mem vs char at the start though which is why my char is a lil lacking. In retrospect I would have put that point into int or precep.. but what did I know.. i was just guessing balance characters made more sense back then no one talked about it.
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Kaian Voskhod
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Posted - 2008.02.17 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 17/02/2008 13:29:39
achura
9/9/9/9/3 
ends with 2400 sp / hours ... excepted for charisma related skills.
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Considered
Caldari
Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity
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Posted - 2008.02.17 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Considered on 17/02/2008 17:12:18
Edited by: Considered on 17/02/2008 17:10:02
Originally by: Kaian Voskhod
Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 17/02/2008 13:29:39
achura
9/9/9/9/3
ends with 2400 sp / hours ... excepted for charisma related skills.
I can get 10, 9 , 9 , 8
Is that the "ultimate" attribute start off?
EDIT: I can get that 9//9/9/9/3 now.
Is THAT it? I thought learning plus implants gave an extra 15?
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Radical Technologies
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Posted - 2008.02.17 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Considered
Is THAT it? I thought learning plus implants gave an extra 15?
You're forgetting the Learning skill itself which raises all attributes by 2% per level, so at level 5 you get a 10% boost.
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Considered
Caldari
Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity
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Posted - 2008.02.17 17:44:00 -
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So 9/9/9/9/3 is it then?
I want 25 in all bar charisma.
3 is the charisma.
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Radical Technologies
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Posted - 2008.02.17 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Considered
So 9/9/9/9/3 is it then?
I want 25 in all bar charisma.
3 is the charisma.
*Sighs*
Yes.
(9 base + 5 Basic learning + 5 Advanced learning + 5 implant) * 1.1 (Learning 5) = 26.4 so it's better than your straight 25 power gaming needs.
You do know that attributes won't do anything except dictate how fast you train skills?
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Horchan
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.17 22:19:00 -
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God damn ******* power gaming noobs...
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Jei'son Bladesmith
The Storm Knights
The Cool Kids Club
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Posted - 2008.02.17 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Horchan
God damn ******* power gaming noobs...
wait till he realizes how long it'll take him to actually max out his learning skills (also Cyber 5 to use +5 implants) and then wait till he looks at the prices for those +5 implants.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.18 02:32:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 18/02/2008 02:32:34
Two months and then some, and half a bil ISK the very least ? 
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YourDaddi
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Posted - 2008.02.18 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: WardogX
Edited by: WardogX on 17/02/2008 12:15:42
I am minmatar sebiestor rebel and I got 22 char / 24 int / 24 per / 25 mem / 24 will (they would all be 1 point higher if i trained those secondary learning skills from l4 to l5) So this is close to nearly all 25's. reason i made this toon a while back was because those points were so balanced out.
I put 1 more point in mem vs char at the start though which is why my char is a lil lacking. In retrospect I would have put that point into int or precep.. but what did I know.. i was just guessing balance characters made more sense back then no one talked about it.
I am usually always around 2150 sp/hour no matter what I train (more or less depending on category).
you have....
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Jill Antaris
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Posted - 2008.02.18 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jill Antaris on 18/02/2008 11:44:05
Edited by: Jill Antaris on 18/02/2008 11:34:13
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 18/02/2008 02:32:34
Two months and then some, and half a bil ISK the very least ?
Possible, without ISK buying/farming with a older Char in about 2 Month since I done it.(+5 Imps, all Learning bare Presens 5 took about 4 Month including Skills to fly Ships and to get some deacend ISK).
20 Charisma as lowest(could be 22 if I skill the last one to 5)
28 Perception
25 Willpower
25 Inteligence
24 Memory
Well rounded and a slight focus on Perception, this is how to build a long lasting and flexible Char.
Starting Achura for stats is pure fail since you will allways be only another Achura...
Starting Caldari for the Stats and respec is double fail, since every race can proviede deacend Chars...
PS.: I only fly Amarr Ships and use Lasers because Amarr pawns(and I like little handycaps in the beginning). 
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Chelone
Stone Shadow Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:26:00 -
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Anyone who trains Presence 5 should be shot. That is the order of things.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Chelone
Anyone who trains Presence 5 should be shot. That is the order of things.
So, what, you really don't want to have any chars with all leadership, social and trade skills to L5 ?
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Olden
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Olden on 19/02/2008 01:01:18
I have 19 in charisma. If I train advance charisma (dont remember the name) to lvl 5 I get 21. Thats two extra points. Think I'm gonna do it since i'm training leadership. which gonna take a couple of months.
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Chelone
Stone Shadow Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Olden
I have 19 in charisma. If I train advance charisma (dont remember the name) to lvl 5 I get 21. Thats two extra points. Think I'm gonna do it since i'm training leadership. which gonna take a couple of months.
- You never get 2 points from a learning, it's a display error and would not even be true in the case you mention...
- You don't even remember the name of the skill Presence and you plan to train it to 5...
- A couple months is not nearly enough to make an advanced 5 breakeven...
See what I mean by "should be shot"? I rest my case!!
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 19/02/2008 01:54:11
Originally by: Olden
Edited by: Olden on 19/02/2008 01:01:18
I have 19 in charisma. If I train advance charisma (dont remember the name) to lvl 5 I get 21. Thats two extra points. Think I'm gonna do it since i'm training leadership. which gonna take a couple of months.
Note that although your character sheet shows the rounded-down integer, the actual training time uses all the decimals. If you have a stat of 19 + (learning 5 = +1.9) 20.9, you character sheet shows 20. Increasing your base stat to 20 means that learning 5 adds 2.0 for a total of 22.
But you have actually gained 1.1, not 2.0, as far as your actual training times are concerned. Training Presence 5 will take 632,235 SP, and give you +66SP/hour when training Charisma skills. You will need to train 9580 hours of Charisma skills to "break even" (399 days)
PS: You'll spend much more than 2 months training if you want to be any kind of Leadership specialist. Warfare Link Specialist 5 is a month on it's own. But there just aren't enough skills with Charisma as a stat to make a SP 'profit' from Presence 5 (unless CCP introduce a lot more - it could happen).
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.19 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Chelone
A couple months is not nearly enough to make an advanced 5 breakeven...
Well, to be completely honest, even with a base 3 charisma (the lowest you can possibly have, so extra points in it give you more of a relative advantage, percentage-wise) would need to train well over a year in charisma-main skills to justify training Presence to L5 instead of leaving it to L4... in other words, JUST for the leadership tree (and I mean, the WHOLE tree), it's not worth training it... but add in a few social/trade/corp skills to L5, and you're almost there.
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