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Jack Brazen
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.02.17 20:32:00 -
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Dear C&P,
As most of the usual C&P crowd probably knows, there's been a distinct lack of "pwn" threads - you know, the epic stories about wacky yarrish plans that work out as intended and bring much fun, and maybe even some ISK.
I had originally intended to make a PvP video with my adventures, but since I'm a complete and utter newb at such things, I had recruited my little brother for the job. Unfortunately, we ended up getting drunk beyond belief every time we tried to do some editing, so the work is very much delayed. So I figured, to hell with it, I'll make a write-up for the friendly folks of C&P, and take my time with the video. Enough beating around the bush, here we go:
I'm a newb. I'll admit that. This is my first character in EvE, and he just broke 2,5 mil SP. I've spent most of my EvE time running around empire looking for cans to flip or fights to pick, with the tutelage of the much more experienced Tzar'rim. I've survived my first war-dec, taken down some much older players, and generally had a great time, secure in the knowledge that through his training, I was getting good at PvP and fitting - fast. So, when he presented me with his idea for an Osprey fitted for combat, I didn't doubt it would work. And oh boy did it work.
The setup is simple. Fill your cargohold with ammo and ore - I would usually buy around 4500 Veldspar - and go sit in some belt, in a high traffic system. And wait. The fitting is simple:
- 2 x Light Neutron Blasters (I prefer to use Void ammo - tracking and range aren't problems as you'll see)
- 1 x Small Neut
- 1 x Small NOS
- 3 x X5 webbers (you could use some cheaper ones I guess, but I like to see my target interceptor go slower than me)
- 1 x J5b scrambler
- 1 x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
- 1 x Damage Control (I tend to just leave it running so I don't forget to switch it on)
- 1 x 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates (Yeah baby!)
Bring some drones along - I suggest Hobgoblins, but really, any should work.
Now, with this great setup, I found a belt, put out my can with about half the ore (its nice to add more just as the can-flipper gets into range - makes it seem like you are actually mining), and waited. I'll admit, it takes some patience, but when it goes right, it goes RIGHT. Anything below a cruiser (and quite a few cruisers as well) has no chance. I dictate the range completely, since they have to flip my can for the fun to start, and once I decide to engage, they aren't going anywhere.
So far, I've only spent a few evenings in my P*ssOfsprey, but some of the kills are rather impressive none-the-less:
2 Rifters
1 Jaguar
1 Punisher (his Rupture friend got me when I screwed up afterwards though, but it was good fun)
1 Executioner
1 Incursus
1 Cormorant
1 Mammoth ( no idea what he was thinking tbh)
1 Kestrel
There was also a fight with a Enyo, that I sadly had to flee from when he called in his friend in a logistics ship to rep him. They were good guys though, and ended up liking the idea so much that I hear they've tried it for laughs themselves.
Oh, and then there was the Crow kill. This took a bit of social engineering on my part. I like to play the role of an over-confident idiot in local, to encourage can-flippers to seek me out. This will often include a "lol no filpers 2nihgt! tehy must b fraid! lol", or a "ye maet sytsem is verry safe no flipers im in belt X wit a can so com in u haulr plx".
You'd think people would see through this, but again and again, I get a massive response in local, and people dropping into the belt seconds later. From there on, its easy. Just sit back, wait for them to come close, lock them (pretend to be trying to scare them), and as soon as they start flashing red, get ready to loot their wreck.
That's the story so far of my adventures in my ****Ofsprey. Remember, this was done with less than 2 mil SP, and the only ships I've lost were to cruisers and much older characters.
Hope you guys enjoy my little write-up.
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In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.
Reckless Corsairs is looking for a few aspiring team PVPers. |
Jack Brazen
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.02.17 20:44:00 -
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Ran out of space in the first post, but I thought I'd include a note here about the smack I receive from doing this. Its impressive how angry people will get when they realize that the soft target they pictured, turns out to be made for ripping them apart. I've gotten endless pages of smack from those that obviously aren't used to facing anything capable of fighting back, and to me, that's the real goal. I enjoy the smack more than the occasional worthwhile loot.
I've been called a coward, a wanna-be pirate, a cheater (some guy even threatened with a petition! Imagine that... a petition for defending my ore), and many nasty things that wouldn't get past the censor on the forums.
Just a note though, the real PvPers I met - whether they killed me or I killed them - all thought the idea was great, and had a great time laughing about it. My theory is that if you're a real PvPer, you know that sometimes you loose ships. You try to avoid it with all you've got, but when it happens you applaud the person who killed you. The other type of people are the ones that take every loss as a personal insult, and will flame you for outsmarting them.
The Crow kill I got was particularly good in this respect. After I looted his wreck I docked up to let the timer run out. This sent him into a fury! What kind of coward would dock up and not fight him again! I mean, seriously! Obviously I should have undocked and let him figure out how to kill my mining cruiser in his tech II ships!
His smack is one of my most prized internet possessions. He just could not get through his head that I had accomplished what I wanted, and kept blabbering about honor and how a REAL PvPer would go back and fight. The idea that a real PvPer by his logic wouldn't bring a Crow to fight what seemed like a normal, mining Osprey didn't cross his mind. But hey, his loot payed for the next Osprey, and his smack warmed my heart, so who am I to complain.
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In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.
Reckless Corsairs is looking for a few aspiring team PVPers. |
techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.17 20:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Jack Brazen
His smack is one of my most prized internet possessions. He just could not get through his head that I had accomplished what I wanted, and kept blabbering about honor and how a REAL PvPer would go back and fight. The idea that a real PvPer by his logic wouldn't bring a Crow to fight what seemed like a normal, mining Osprey didn't cross his mind. But hey, his loot payed for the next Osprey, and his smack warmed my heart, so who am I to complain.
This is the best part. Because every pvper knows that honor tanking is essential to winning EVE 
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Originally by: Praxis1452
you win eve
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Darkopteron
Nexus Analytics
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.17 21:35:00 -
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Haha nice idea, that'll teach them can flippers a lesson. 
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Jhagiti Tyran
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Posted - 2008.02.17 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 17/02/2008 22:49:02
I have tried this twice before and didn't get very far. First time it was against a Blackbird which I expected to have some ECMs and stuff and he had a weird 6 slot cap injected LSB and hardener setup it was still a close fight though because he only had EM heavy missiles so I didn't take much damage and I chased the guy down in my crow afterwards and killed him.
Second time the can flipper was in a Incursus and I thought "I'm in here" only to see a Exequeror warp in and start repping the guy.
Needless to say I have given it up as a bad loss
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Johnny Gurkha
Wise Guys
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.02.17 22:59:00 -
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Damn funny stuff and using your own initiative +rep, you will do well in PVP in the future young Skywalker  ...now take your initiative to low sec and experience more 
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Dosgar
Caldari
Fujifield Corp
SYBERIS
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Posted - 2008.02.17 23:37:00 -
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There's a video that was posted a while ago of a guy PvPing in mining cruisers, and taking out BC's in the process.
Think the corp does it for kicks. It's a pretty good vid tbh
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Vrikshaka
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.02.17 23:48:00 -
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Nice tactic & writeup man. Now sober up and get teh damn video sorted already!
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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.02.18 01:40:00 -
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Made me laugh IRL
Very nice, I think I'll have to try that myself
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.02.18 04:41:00 -
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I have to say this was one very good and funny read.
Props to you.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean.
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Khul Drukath
Maelstrom Crew
Mournival Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:15:00 -
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THat's a really good write up, and grats to all the kills you got. I read this with some extra interest as I've recently been messing around in various guises of Osprey around Tama, and seriously - I struggle to beat the belt rats on killmails. Got damn nanosprey... :(
Very nice list of kills however, and with the added bonus of people telling you how much they love you after you kill them :)
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Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Brazen
I like to play the role of an over-confident idiot in local, to encourage can-flippers to seek me out. This will often include a "lol no filpers 2nihgt! tehy must b fraid! lol", or a "ye maet sytsem is verry safe no flipers im in belt X wit a can so com in u haulr plx".
You'd think people would see through this, but again and again, I get a massive response in local
i tried that awhile back but people just laughed at me
Originally by: Admiral Love
Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty. |
flashfresh
BLACK-FLAG
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Posted - 2008.02.18 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Brazen
..........
His smack is one of my most prized internet possessions. He just could not get through his head that I had accomplished what I wanted, and kept blabbering about honor and how a REAL PvPer would go back and fight. The idea that a real PvPer by his logic wouldn't bring a Crow to fight what seemed like a normal, mining Osprey didn't cross his mind. .....
To Jack,
What is the name of this most honourable crow pilot?
I loved your story and most pilots who PvP on a regular basis lose ships. It comes with the territory, only fly what you can afford to lose etc. Your write up was fun, nicely paced and made my morning.
Keep it up and all power to you - hope you catch a big juicy target like a clue-less Myrmidon or hurricane pilot in the very near future. Smack from idiots is also priceless, for me, makes the monthly charge worth it. Love it.
Flashfresh
ôMe, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you have to watch out for.'ö
http://i-pirate.blogspot.com
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Jack Brazen
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.02.18 12:44:00 -
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Thanks for all the great replies - I'm very happy to see people enjoy my Osprey antics as much as I do (well, probably not quite as much).
Couple of things I think I should note to try and answer relevant questions.
1. Bigger prey. The reason this setup works is primarily because it completely overwhelms my opponent. Sure, if I'm faced with a clueless cruiser or even BC, I could probably tear them apart, but so far my drone skills have simply not been up to par. I'll soon be able to field tech II drones, and then I'd be a lot more confident about who I engage, but the beauty of the system is that I decide who I want to engage. If a Vagabond tries to take my ore (this has happened quite a few times from the same pilot), all I have to do is move my ore back to my hold, and nothing is lost. Right now though, and in the period I got most of my kills, the lack of any real tank is a distinct risk. Once my HP is used up, its gone, and there's nothing I can do about it but warp out. This cost me my first Osprey when I engaged a Stabber who turned out to be using a cap injector. I died when he was at something like 5% structure, and to be honest, it was a great fight. I noticed afterwards all the things I could have done that probably would have been sufficient to tip the scales, so I considered it well worth the 5-6 mil pricetag of the ship. But any well fitted cruiser with a pilot who has the know-how to kill of my drones quickly, and I'm in trouble.
The real strength of the Osprey for this kind of work is the ability to fit 3 webbers. This means that any speed-tank is effectively void. Normally that would have been an ace against the Stabber pilot, but unfortunately for me, he had a non-standard fit.
2. Naming and shaming the Crow pilot (or others for that matter). I'll be honest, I don't like to bring names to the forums in most cases. To me, what happened in game was something that should stay in game, simply because I have no need to further shame him. I mean, seriously, his tech II fitted Crow with all the works lost to an Osprey flown by a pilot less than a 5th his age - that's enough shame for anyone ;) Buuuut... since the requests are phrased so politely, I'll say that his name starts with "S", and ends with "89", and further contains the following letters "T", "E", "H". Then there's a bit of sport hunting down the name :P
3. Social Engineering. Now, this is actually my favorite part in some ways. I noticed after I posted the first part that I had missed one important line in regards to the "location-drop-in-local" scheme, namely a quick (and again horrible spelled) "oooOops sry wrng windov!". Now, for me, the biggest challenge is making my English looks bad enough. I want to give the appearance of being an utter newb, and for many people this includes poor English skills. Whether there really is any sort of correlation between the two doesn't matter, its what people perceive. This all works especially well since I have a low, but positive sec rating (its apparent I've done SOME missions/ratting), and because of my low age. Were I to try with a 2 year old character and negative sec rating, I'm pretty sure people would see through it fast.
The social engineering is an art though. It takes the right entry into local - perhaps a timid "r tehre any can filpers in here?", which then quickly turns to noobish bravado "lol tehy muts now im hear n they r friad lol!". The usual reply will follow the line of "I doubt it you newb.", to which I usually reply "lol u sai taht cuse u fraid my big sihp wil kill u!". Pretending that an Osprey is a powerhouse because of its size relative to frigs/destroyers is usually a sure win.
The whole concept revolves around the idea of an easy kill. I want to seem as defenseless as at all possible, to attract overconfident people - they rarely figure out what's really up before they are horribly trapped.
Again, thanks for the positive responses all around :) Glad I could share my fun with you.
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In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.
Reckless Corsairs is looking for a few aspiring team PVPers. |
Tchell Dahhn
Amarr
Leet Fleet
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.18 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tchell Dahhn on 18/02/2008 14:08:11
Originally by: Jack Brazen
Buuuut... since the requests are phrased so politely, I'll say that his name starts with "S", and ends with "89", and further contains the following letters "T", "E", "H". Then there's a bit of sport hunting down the name :P
Somebody's been hunting in Tash-Murkon Prime, I see! LOL... *tear* I'm so proud of my old corpmates... Usually, there's little smack, but of course, they usually choose their targets a little better.  How is the Space BorderLine these days?
I think, since I selected the proper pilot, I should get this request - edit your chatlog and post the smack up here for all to see! (Or, at the very least, convo it to me ingame, so I can forward it off to good, old Seth, with a bunch of LOL's.)
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Ka Jolo
Ministry of Destruction
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Posted - 2008.02.18 14:25:00 -
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The great thing about games like EVE-Online is that you can post stuff like this--ship setups, PvP tactics and strategy, spoilers, scams, etc--safe in the knowledge that 9 out of 10 pilots will never read it and will remain as clueless as ever.
Your Money or Your Life!
The journal of a space pirate
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.02.18 14:49:00 -
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I think I enjoyed the scoial engineering part of your story the most.
I'm not so sure if 3 webs is really a better option than 2 webs. Try 2 webs and fit a tank mod for the 3rd slot (maybe an invulnerability field for some hit point buffer).
Work on your drone skills - I think you'll wet yourself over a noob's frustration when you throw some light ecm drones their way!
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Sup brosef!
Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Slave 775
Ministry of Punishment
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.18 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Brazen
I noticed afterwards all the things I could have done that probably would have been sufficient to tip the scales, so I considered it well worth the 5-6 mil pricetag of the ship.
Well done an attitude like this will make you win eve.
May i point you to Eve-Pirate, there you can show us all the smack and kills without bothering about the eve-online forum rules.
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2008.02.18 17:09:00 -
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haha in the tash area indeed.
Crow pilot is a little... uh.. interesting at times. but its all in good fun.
YARR!! Mammoth ftw. haha, one of my more fun ships to lose. I figure, I got big ships, t2 ships etc in my hanger. But if I get bored and canflip, I want to have some fun, not always get an easy kill.
Hell mate, you know exactly what went through my head, we talked in local for a good 15 minutes after.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Redglare's Demise
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.02.18 17:18:00 -
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Good job on the kills, and good attitude towards pvp.
Reminds me of the battle badger :P
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Jack Brazen
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Brazen on 18/02/2008 20:12:14
Originally by: Bryg Philomena
haha in the tash area indeed.
Crow pilot is a little... uh.. interesting at times. but its all in good fun.
YARR!! Mammoth ftw. haha, one of my more fun ships to lose. I figure, I got big ships, t2 ships etc in my hanger. But if I get bored and canflip, I want to have some fun, not always get an easy kill.
Hell mate, you know exactly what went through my head, we talked in local for a good 15 minutes after.
Yeah, I meant it more as a joke really, since I'd probably have done the same in your shoes/ship. For heavens sake, its an Osprey after all! Anything can kill an Osprey ;)
And like I told you at the time, you were one of the few people who actually did more than just superficial damage to me, so your Battle Mammoth (TM of Dino Riders - anyone remember that series? Think that's the name) wasn't a bad choice. In fact I never understood the people that can-flip in anything bigger than a frig (excepting industrials and other non-combat ships), since a well-piloted frig with even my meager skillpoints is enough to kill anything below a tanked Hulk with tech II drones. What amazed me at the time was that I was the first guy to actually fight back. Its a pretty sad state of affairs when most miners won't even fight an industrial. At least go get your Drake (they always get Drakes when I can flip.. Always Drakes) or something and fight that juicy red indy target.
Sorry I don't have time for one of my more verbose responses right now, especially to the guys that figured out who the Crow pilot was, but I'm dead-tired from being in a recording studio all day (on the boring/technician side of the mic), so I'll do some proper responses tomorrow and make the chatlog available ;)
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In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.
Reckless Corsairs is looking for a few aspiring team PVPers. |
Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Brazen
Edited by: Jack Brazen on 18/02/2008 20:12:14
Originally by: Bryg Philomena
haha in the tash area indeed.
Crow pilot is a little... uh.. interesting at times. but its all in good fun.
YARR!! Mammoth ftw. haha, one of my more fun ships to lose. I figure, I got big ships, t2 ships etc in my hanger. But if I get bored and canflip, I want to have some fun, not always get an easy kill.
Hell mate, you know exactly what went through my head, we talked in local for a good 15 minutes after.
Yeah, I meant it more as a joke really, since I'd probably have done the same in your shoes/ship. For heavens sake, its an Osprey after all! Anything can kill an Osprey ;)
And like I told you at the time, you were one of the few people who actually did more than just superficial damage to me, so your Battle Mammoth (TM of Dino Riders - anyone remember that series? Think that's the name) wasn't a bad choice. In fact I never understood the people that can-flip in anything bigger than a frig (excepting industrials and other non-combat ships), since a well-piloted frig with even my meager skillpoints is enough to kill anything below a tanked Hulk with tech II drones. What amazed me at the time was that I was the first guy to actually fight back. Its a pretty sad state of affairs when most miners won't even fight an industrial. At least go get your Drake (they always get Drakes when I can flip.. Always Drakes) or something and fight that juicy red indy target.
Sorry I don't have time for one of my more verbose responses right now, especially to the guys that figured out who the Crow pilot was, but I'm dead-tired from being in a recording studio all day (on the boring/technician side of the mic), so I'll do some proper responses tomorrow and make the chatlog available ;)
Oh god, the amount of drakes I fight is disgusting. Haha, it's people like you that make can flipping worth it. I took a similar fit mammoth against a hulk, and neither of us could win. I ended up running out of cap boosters are good half hour in lol.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Fourty Niner
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:36:00 -
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The stupid thing is, you cannot be minig, cos you have no miner stuff on. Didnt anyone notice this?
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ceyriot
Minmatar
Crimson Rebellion
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:42:00 -
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iunno forty, flippers want phree ore...props to op
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Originally by:
this game has levels?
yes you have the low level and lower level and then you have goons.
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Krij
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Posted - 2008.02.19 13:57:00 -
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Hi Jack, I know someone who also uses a "Baitsprey" with a slightly different setup, but it is just as effective and cheaper than your setup.
Maybe I could contact you in game to trade notes?
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Buchatar
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.19 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Fourty Niner
The stupid thing is, you cannot be minig, cos you have no miner stuff on. Didnt anyone notice this?
I wonder though, could you use a lazer-type gun to act as a basic mining look-a-like as it fires at the ore rock?
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Yes, ofcourse I mine for fish... got a problem with that?
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Tchell Dahhn
Amarr
Leet Fleet
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.19 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: ceyriot
iunno forty, flippers want phree ore...props to op
Well, I can tell you this - a lot of flippers (Seth89 included) are looking more for the fun/easy kill, rather than the ore in the cans... ...in this case, I find it amusing that the OP's ship was deemed an 'easy kill' by the attackers, while it was so obviously fit for the task it was meant for - ganking the poor souls who dared to cross it's path.
Reminds me of my tactic of fitting a nice Maller up to mine (6 mining lasers, ftw) and leaving a nice can in space. If nobody flips it, it's a fair haul of ore. If somebody does, smack in local, while switching Mining Maller for Gank-fit Maller. (Same name and all.) Always nice to see the look on their face when the ship they 'thought' was mining, returns to own them righteously.
Pod Pilot: "OMG - I thought you only had mining lasers fit!"
Tchell Dahhn: "I switched ships when you weren't looking."
Pod Pilot: "Oh, $#!^!!!"
Good times, good times!
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harmless scout
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Posted - 2008.02.19 14:52:00 -
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Oh wow this owns. I'm going to batch up a dozen Ospreys and Scythes and Vexors to try this as soon as the servers come up.
Any creative ideas for talking the Drakes into sticking around long enough to grab a gankgeddon or something? Maybe along the lines of having an alt warp in, 2xeject, board and hope he doesn't notce he's not scrammed for a few seconds?
I'm creatively dead, and you guys rule from orbit. Let's put our collective noodles up agains this problem!
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cosmoray
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Posted - 2008.02.19 16:03:00 -
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Tried the set up last night it works nicely.
My fit was slightly different, need better skills for the fit though.
hi:
2 Heavy Missile launcher
1 med NOS
1 miner I
mid:
1 20km scram
3 x X5 webs
low:
small rep II
eanm
800mm plate
4x hobgoblin
Its a good bait as you are ACTUALLY mining. Got a BC to flip the can, some smack was exchanged in local. I said I wouldn't aggress anything with my drones bigger than a frigate.
He then came back in a Jaguar. Took a while to break the shield as he had 2 kinetic rigs on, but then he went down quick.
Most of local let him have it, for losing to a mining osprey so he logged off.
Lots of fun, thx for the set-up!
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Bronson Hughes
Knights of the Wild
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Posted - 2008.02.19 18:13:00 -
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This is an interesting concept. When you have more skillpoints available, I would consider switching to an Exequror: you can fit it in roughly the same manner and it has a much bigger cargo hold and drone bay.
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Taii'dan
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Posted - 2008.02.19 20:19:00 -
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Just one question - pardon my noobness if I'm missing something.
OP, you said you lock them to act like you're trying to scare them...
Isn't locking someone in highsec a criminal act punishable by CONCORD? I didn't see a passive targeter in your setup.
Thanks in advance for clearing up my confusion.
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Tchell Dahhn
Amarr
Leet Fleet
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.19 20:20:00 -
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Target Locking is not an act of aggression, however, using any of your fittings does. (i.e. Warp Scrambler)
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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2008.02.20 06:03:00 -
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Edited by: Siriyana on 20/02/2008 06:03:03
Originally by: Taii'dan
Just one question - pardon my noobness if I'm missing something.
OP, you said you lock them to act like you're trying to scare them...
Isn't locking someone in highsec a criminal act punishable by CONCORD? I didn't see a passive targeter in your setup.
Thanks in advance for clearing up my confusion.
Once the can-flipper steals the ore, they get a 15 minute aggression flag to the target player's corporation. This means they begin flashing red. Anything that is flashing red to you is a valid, free target.
And no, target-locking is not a CONCORDokken offense, only use of offensive modules are.
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Tchell Dahhn
Amarr
Leet Fleet
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:28:00 -
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Jack. Where'd you go, buddy? I'm still anxiously awaiting the chatlogs from this exciting event!
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Jack Brazen
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.02.20 20:29:00 -
[35]
Ah, sorry, been busy with a lot of things the last couple of days. I'll send you the pure chatlog in an eve-mail in a sec.
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Tchell Dahhn
Amarr
Leet Fleet
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.20 20:41:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Jack Brazen
Ah, sorry, been busy with a lot of things the last couple of days. I'll send you the pure chatlog in an eve-mail in a sec.
You da man!
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gnomer
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2008.02.20 20:54:00 -
[37]
Little update.
Was in tash Murken last night using your set up with heavy missiles, and got your buddy Seth to aggro me.
He was in a Vengance and he was going down, so he called a corp mate in a HAC to remote rep him.
Lame pirating if you require help vs. an Osprey!!!!
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Tchell Dahhn
Amarr
Leet Fleet
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.20 21:01:00 -
[38]
Originally by: gnomer
He was in a Vengance and he was going down, so he called a corp mate in a HAC to remote rep him.
Oh... Yeah. I guess I should have mentioned that's common with the Space BorderLine. They are a Corp that will help their own, when faced with an embarrassing deathmail.
That's actually how I got recruited into their Corp, originally. I was fighting one of their guys in my Punisher, and he was on his way out. He was actually remote repped by another corpmate for over 10 minutes, until I ran out of cap charges and had to stop shooting and make a run for it.
They let my ship go, and asked me into the Corp, as some were *amazed* that my ship could go for so long and not go into structure for over 10 minutes of fighting. (I wasn't about to engage the other pilot, as I was well aware of what my ship could do, and what it couldn't.)
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Hannibal Charybdis
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Posted - 2008.02.21 17:22:00 -
[39]
Jack, you're my hero. Plain and simple.
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Endless Subversion
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Posted - 2008.02.21 22:32:00 -
[40]
2 webs and a passive targeter!
Fix Self Destruct & LogOffs |
Ujagar Sommdax
Gallente
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2008.02.22 19:06:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Ujagar Sommdax on 22/02/2008 19:06:03
Wheres my nearest locater agent!?!?
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FarMand
Dark Relic
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Posted - 2008.02.25 13:59:00 -
[42]
Haha! I only just realized something.. 
You are THE Jack Brazen, whos post have inspired me to do, what I do.
Mad respect to you, and probs for bringing it! Im sure 3rd try, will be your lucky try, hehe.
"I currently have 60 skills and 2,706,653 skill points and a Vexor"
My engagements so far:
1 Tormentor - Very young pilot, I ended up feeling bad and paid for his loss plus alittle extra, along with the message: Stealing is illegal :P.
1 Vexor - Old pilot, His T2 blasters and T2 drones was to much for me, I did however manage to get him into low armor, before he killed me, great fight :D.
2 Thorax - Awsome fights, especially the recent one, where I took some hull damage. Looking forward to a 3rd engagement ;).
1 Raven - Old pilot(s), who the hell can flips in a fat slow raven? I made him fly 20km towards my can, then popped it right infront his nose. Being bored, I agreed to a fight, fully knowing my chances were close to none (Its all fun and giggles, right :D). The fight was on! Seconds later, his support Dominix warps in, LOL. Long story short, my vexor got blown to pieces. I lasted alot longer, then I expected, but I barely scratched his shields. The fight wasnt as fun, as I hoped it would be, however the situation was hilarious :D
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Wid'w M'ker
Amarr
Jump Zero
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Posted - 2008.02.25 15:59:00 -
[43]
That's some very clever tactic! well tought and the most important thing is IT WORKS! I got an encounter in a belt yesterday with an Osprey and his can, just sitting there (mining)lasers off with a Mammooth doing orbits near it... I hope It was not you cause if that's the case I'm glad I found the whole scene fishy and warped to next belt without taking anything from Osprey's can! Kudos to you for all those kills on an Osprey!
Wid.
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Galen Naranek
Gallente
Royal Navy Industries
CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:56:00 -
[44]
This really is an effective tactic. I've wanted to do something like this for a while and Jack's post finally inpired me. So, I tried it with both an Osprey and a Vexor. I was afraid that people would steer clear because my character is 16 months old but that doesn't appear to have stopped anyone.
Osprey (fitted pretty much as in OP's post):
Kill #1 was a Merlin fairly new character but in a corp. Pretty straightforward. He asked later if he had walked into an obvious trap but of course I denied it
Kill #2 was a well-tanked Punisher, two-year-old character - I was impressed with how long she lasted. Had me about 60% armor before she popped. 3 x 150mm A/C T2 guns and NOS.
Kill #3 was a Slasher, fairly new character in a corp, no drama.
Kill #4 was a Goon flying a PvP/Tank-fit Bestower, character a few months older than me. All T2 fittings, dual light pulse laser II - had me well into armor before going boom. Hold was full of cap charges.
Kill #5 was the same as #2, came back for a second try in another Punisher. Pretty much the same result. Later at the station we undocked in our BC's and she ripped my Drake to shreds in short order with her Hurricane, so she definitely had her revenge!
Vexor: (using 3xHeavy Electron II and a NOS + Miner I) for a little more gank.
Kill #6 was a Caracal, 2-month old char in a corp. He couldn't get past my shields before going up in flames. What was funny was his bio that (in part) read: "if i steal your things from a jetcan in 1.0 space it's your fault for not protecting them better. Equip guns or secure cans, otherwise your ore is available to the public." I Thanked him nicely for the advice
Kill #7 was a Harpy (T2 fitted, 4xNeut II's), year-old char. He took out my shields in a few seconds but then had tough going against the armor while I killed him. He had corpies in the area so I looted his wreck and docked up right away just as one of his mates warped in with a Drake.
I also lost a Vexor. Guy came in and stole from my can in a Rifter, and even though I had him targeted I couldn't scram him fast enough to prevent him from warping out. I did aggro him though, and he came back in a Hurricane. Now, he was only a 2-month old character so I figured I could take a chance on handling whatever he might come back with. What I didn't take into account is that I no longer had the "weather gage" - i.e. I could not dictate the terms of the engagement. So he orbited me outside my blaster and webber range and slowly pounded me to death. Still, I had him into structure with my T2 mediums before I popped. If only I had remembered to buy insurance . . . 
To conclude, this is a lot of fun and gives the can flippers something to think about - I heartily endorse this activity and encourage everyone to give it a try when you want a change of pace!
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Casino Alkasar
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:14:00 -
[45]
nize ^^
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itze mine |
Marlon Hanharr
Amarr
U-208
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Posted - 2008.03.01 10:38:00 -
[46]
Originally by: gnomer
Little update.
Was in tash Murken last night using your set up with heavy missiles, and got your buddy Seth to aggro me.
He was in a Vengance and he was going down, so he called a corp mate in a HAC to remote rep him.
Lame pirating if you require help vs. an Osprey!!!!
He just brought one mate in, that's fair.
I had a racketeer maller in structure when his support fleet warped in, 5 or 6 of them, battleships and all, to deal with my poor "mining" arbitrator. (of course I got out alive)
The best part is they called me a carebear.
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Pax Fatalis
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Posted - 2008.03.02 04:59:00 -
[47]
Very nice indeed! I might have to try this along with everyone else .
Here is the kill mail:
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Seth89&id=3072231&page=1&filter=losses#fitting
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Calishere
Caldari
The Space BorderLine
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Posted - 2008.03.02 17:06:00 -
[48]
tchell .... if i remeber it ... my corp mate didnt need repage he was tankin ur damage and had a perma run fit on :p i just wanted to get along in the kill so i repped him thinkin hey why not get agro and see if he attacks me :) especially since i had a few nuets on my highs waitin for it :) but in anyevent about seth (he has a hot head @ times) lol but other then that most things we do are in all good fun ... thats y u rarely see smack from us lol ask bryg he knows we like helping out in kills if we see the chance 2 ... and tchell if u want an update on spb u know who to contact.. and on a side note (i was close to suicide gankin) u durin that match just for the luls
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Trader Bert
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Posted - 2008.03.03 22:28:00 -
[49]
So, i was trying a similar thing in a Scythe (similarly fitted) and it proved to be rather successful: 2 rifters (one of them fully T2 fitted), 1 punisher, 1 bestower, 1 mammoth, 1 griffin, 1 stabber over the last 2 days
the stabber was the only one to push me even remotely, but him tryign to go for the speed tank was simply the wrong thing to do against 2 webs =)
I just this second went down to an incursus (T2 fitted) who ofc instantly got remote repped by a gangmate (why oh why that isnt an offence worthy of a concordokken i don't know :/).
But, the cash i've made off the kills before will be enough to fit a new one and start again =).
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Cris Dono
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Posted - 2008.03.03 22:59:00 -
[50]
So, i was trying a similar thing in a Scythe (similarly fitted) and it proved to be rather successful: 2 rifters (one of them fully T2 fitted), 1 punisher, 1 bestower, 1 mammoth, 1 griffin, 1 stabber over the last 2 days
the stabber was the only one to push me even remotely, but him tryign to go for the speed tank was simply the wrong thing to do against 2 webs =)
I just this second went down to an incursus (T2 fitted) who ofc instantly got remote repped by a gangmate (why oh why that isnt an offence worthy of a concordokken i don't know :/).
But, the cash i've made off the kills before will be enough to fit a new one and start again =).
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Jack Brazen
Blue.
Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.04 04:46:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Cris Dono
So, i was trying a similar thing in a Scythe (similarly fitted) and it proved to be rather successful: 2 rifters (one of them fully T2 fitted), 1 punisher, 1 bestower, 1 mammoth, 1 griffin, 1 stabber over the last 2 days
the stabber was the only one to push me even remotely, but him tryign to go for the speed tank was simply the wrong thing to do against 2 webs =)
I just this second went down to an incursus (T2 fitted) who ofc instantly got remote repped by a gangmate (why oh why that isnt an offence worthy of a concordokken i don't know :/).
But, the cash i've made off the kills before will be enough to fit a new one and start again =).
Nice to hear others are enjoying the idea :) I generally found the same, that the odds were in my favor of looting enough from victims to cover my costs. Always remember to check up on your targets before engaging - just a quick check for corpmates in local will often save you from a fight going all logistics on you. I tend to be willing to fight a lot of frig-sized ships though, since you can often kill them off before their friends have time to warp in, or bleed them down.
Like I've said before though, a great thing about this setup is how it works at low SP. This is largely due to the webs making range and tracking a non-problem, and the neut/nos breaking most tanks quickly. All this can be put together very cheaply, and still take out a tech I frig with ease, so it can be some cheap fun.
And like someone said above - doesn't matter that I posted the tactic here. There will still be plenty of targets for everyone. Just remember kids, the keys to getting lots of victims are location (I'd go for high population system with average to low amount of belts), and psychology (if you aren't getting action, try baiting in local, and if you get people not flipping but just opening your can, lock them and fake-smack a bit in local). If you get those two right, its all a matter of activating all mods and looting.
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Amodeus Brere
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:46:00 -
[52]
I've always just used a decent fitting on my hulk and gotten my fair share of PvP out of it...
Punisher kill while I was in a Hulk.
http://timwheatley.org/2007/11/12/eve-online-kill-report-5/
Crow kill while mostly in a Hulk.
http://timwheatley.org/2007/12/08/eve-online-kill-report-4/
Itty II while in Hulk.
http://timwheatley.org/2008/03/31/eve-online-kill-report/
Velator while in Hulk.
http://timwheatley.org/2008/04/03/eve-online-kill-report-6/
The shield tank is awesome and when combined with good drone skills and enough money to buy another Hulk if you lose one, it's a great ship to use...
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Crazy Tasty
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.04.12 23:48:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Crazy Tasty on 12/04/2008 23:49:39
Originally by: FarMand
1 Raven - Old pilot(s), who the hell can flips in a fat slow raven? I made him fly 20km towards my can, then popped it right infront his nose. Being bored, I agreed to a fight, fully knowing my chances were close to none (Its all fun and giggles, right :D). The fight was on! Seconds later, his support Dominix warps in, LOL. Long story short, my vexor got blown to pieces. I lasted alot longer, then I expected, but I barely scratched his shields. The fight wasnt as fun, as I hoped it would be, however the situation was hilarious :D
**** like that, and the OP, is almost enough to make me get my sec up. I always had a good time punking out people like that, especially those nubs can flipping in BCs and BSs.
Edit: Ugluuk made a Osprey vid back in the day, after he got drunk one night and bought it. Got a few AFs, Brutix, and some cruisers in it.
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Originally by: Garmon
people using warp core stabilizers are generally more skilled than people not using warp corer stabilizers
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Msgerbs
Gallente
White Moon Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.13 06:25:00 -
[54]
oh boy, Now I've got some great ideas for boosting my corp's rep with the local miners >:) Run, little flippers, RUN!
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ThaDollaGenerale
Endless Destruction
Total Eclipse Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.04.13 13:37:00 -
[55]
I killed a malediction the other day with my double web, quadruple neut osprey. Epic lulz.
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KeeperOf Truth
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Posted - 2008.04.13 16:04:00 -
[56]
I would like to try can flipping too if Chribba can lend me his dreadnought in Amarr.
* Keeper Of Truth is the alternative persona of Priest Amarr . He exist for company management and casual forum chatting * |
Ashina Sito
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.04.13 18:05:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Ashina Sito on 13/04/2008 18:06:33
Oddly enough I started playing Eve almost 2 years ago with this in mind. I was planning on using a mining BS in low sec to draw people in and snare them. It never dawned on me to attempt to use can-flipping instead. My attempts to do this in low sec failed, no one ever came by so I gave up on it.
Just to let you know, your flying a Q-ship. They were created in WWI to combat the German U-boats.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-Ship
Nice to hear you came up with a way to make it work.
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Trojanman190
The Conflagration
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Posted - 2008.04.14 12:10:00 -
[58]
It seems everytime we start talking about something like this on vent we decide it would be way funnier to do it with a hulk.
2x Web, Point, Gisti Shield Booster, med drones.
Seriously, don't forget strip miners. Up in fountain we were chillin in mn5, waiting for targets when we spotted a hulk in a belt next door in yz. Our first reaction was 'bait' because nobody is dumb enough to mine with 20+ hostiles in the next system. What really gave him away was the fact he had no strip miners fitted. He was so worried about losing his ship he totally blew his bait status by not even using strip miners. Silly.
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Tzar'rim
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.04.14 12:46:00 -
[59]
I take full credit for Jack's setup, idea and implementation :)
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ThaDollaGenerale
Endless Destruction
Total Eclipse Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.04.14 22:41:00 -
[60]
I'm trying this up in gallente space in a system with 130 people and nothing. Where are people doing this and getting all of these kills?
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Tzar'rim
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.04.14 23:11:00 -
[61]
a) you're too old
b) you're -1.9, no one's gonna fall for that one
:P
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DroneCommander
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.14 23:11:00 -
[62]
Edited by: DroneCommander on 14/04/2008 23:14:56
Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
I'm trying this up in gallente space in a system with 130 people and nothing. Where are people doing this and getting all of these kills?
Did you try social engineering? Like talking like a rookie in local "hey gaiz my jetcan is almost full wheres the hauler guy did he go offline?" Something like that might get their attention. And um this thread has had 7000 views I know some people will have viewed multiple times but that's still a lot of people and what he said about your sec being -1 that could be the reason no one is taking your bait.
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Ghost Nightmare
Hands of Blue
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Posted - 2008.04.15 12:32:00 -
[63]
This thread is full of win
i approve
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.15 16:53:00 -
[64]
I would be astonished if a veritable WAVE of can flipper deaths hadnt occured because of this thread.
I'm finding it harder and harder to get any bites, maybe they are all skeered or being more cautious.
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Jack Brazen
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.15 17:06:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Tzar'rim
I take full credit for Jack's setup, idea and implementation :)
I do credit you in the original post, so don't even think about bringing me to court on copyright issues! Fair use!
Oh, and holy crap this is a necro thread run for your lives people.
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Pegleg Punk
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.15 18:18:00 -
[66]
I like it when my food bites back- great idea and implementation.
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Alderan Brere
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Posted - 2008.04.15 18:52:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Soporo
I would be astonished if a veritable WAVE of can flipper deaths hadnt occured because of this thread.
I'm finding it harder and harder to get any bites, maybe they are all skeered or being more cautious.
I've found the same thing, just lately there's no bites on my cans except guys in BC and BS.
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DroneCommander
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.15 21:56:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Ghost Nightmare
This thread is full of win
i approve
I approve of this post.
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Yiv
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Posted - 2008.04.16 09:59:00 -
[69]
All your can flippers are belong to us...
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Farina Larros
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Posted - 2008.04.17 07:36:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Soporo
I would be astonished if a veritable WAVE of can flipper deaths hadnt occured because of this thread.
I'm finding it harder and harder to get any bites, maybe they are all skeered or being more cautious.
I'm a bit late to the party, but being a noob myself I thought I'd give it a go. Within 5 minutes of putting a bait can out, I had my first victim in a rifter. A bit touch and go as he took 4.6K damage, and he did almost exactly the same to me, the armour plate saved my bacon. It feels good to fight back!
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.04.17 10:17:00 -
[71]
I'd love to play, but I can't find any can flippers 
I'm trying 0.8+ systems near noob starter systems, but no joy at all. I've got a Miner I on my ship for authenticity and at this rate I'm going to have to get a hauler alt (or start blowing up my own cans). |
Lavraen
Minmatar
Black Podding
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Posted - 2008.04.17 13:05:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
I'd love to play, but I can't find any can flippers
I'm trying 0.8+ systems near noob starter systems, but no joy at all. I've got a Miner I on my ship for authenticity and at this rate I'm going to have to get a hauler alt (or start blowing up my own cans).
Any seasoned ore relocation engineers (ORE) will notice one laser going and will stay away. Also, if your mining drones are not out, it will be assumed that you have a dronebay full of lights. Ore relocation engineers are not entirely stupid and most can spot a baitsprey at a thousand paces in the dark, with a blindfold on. Use your ingenuity to take the basic baitsprey idea, then modify and improve on it.
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.04.17 21:26:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Lavraen
Any seasoned ore relocation engineers (ORE) will notice one laser going and will stay away.
I was worred about that, but I didn't even get anyone coming to look. All I had was belts full of Ibises mining (and, oddly, a Griffin).
Finally, after several hours (and a full jet can, almost) I found an idiot in a Caracal. With nice fittings. This is fun. |
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