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Tarron Sarek Gallente Cadien Cybernetics	Posted - 2008.02.18 07:13:00 - [1] Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 18/02/2008 07:19:51 This is a small idea that just happened to cross my mind. Ok, first off I have to admit I haven't thought about every possible consequence yet. But that's the purpose of this thread anyway. Currently it's pretty much mandatory for most of the 0.0 players to fit Microwarpdrives on their ships. I guess it's safe to say that PvP is dominated by this module. Afterburners are mostly used in missions, due to deadspace limitations. Yes I know some players also fit them in PvP, but they seem to be a very small minority. The reason for this is probably that people don't want to and/or can't do things by halves. PvP is like: do it fast, do it now - or die. If you can't outrun the enemy, you won't get away. If you can't close in fast enough, you'll never make it there. I'd say there are not enough advantages for the use of ABs. At least if things (bonuses) stay the way they are. If MWDs gave a smaller boost or ABs gave a bigger one, the difference would perhaps be small enough to seriously consider using an AB over an MWD. However, that's not my original thought and idea. I'd like to talk about increasing the amount of advantages on ABs. Of course that means taking some away from MWDs. And that's where the flames might start. But please, try to stay calm and level-headed. To cut a long story short, my suggestions are as follows: - No MWD usage/activation inside of warp disrupting spheres - Slight (20-50%, I'm not sure) MWD disruption caused by Warp Disruptors (20+ km) - Strong (75-100%?) MWD disruption caused by Warp Scramblers (7,5+ km) MWD disruption means the bonus on the module is being decreased. Maybe a fixed number, maybe a random number from cycle to cycle, like an unstable warp field. The main propulsion system isn't affected, so the ship itself doesn't go slower. It's just the MWD that doesn't work properly. Please note, it's not a webbing effect, as it doesn't happen on ABs. This wouldn't (hopefully) mean that MWD become totally useless. They'd just not always be the better option. For example entering or crossing a bubble from the outside would be better using an MWD. Traveling through or escaping from the inside would be better with an AB. Sorry if this has been suggested before. You know how good the search function works. I'm also aware of the 'scramblers work as webbers.. wtf?! why fit webbers in the first place?' kind of effect this might have. And I'm not sure about it either. It's more like the idea started with bubbles and I wanted to include the disruptors and scramblers to add a bit of complexity and also for consistency. So this is it. Probably not the be-all and end-all solution, but who knows, might make things more interesting. Oh and since somebody will certainly mention it - no, it's not aimed at 'nerfing' MWDs or nano gangs. Get over your paranoia. ___________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well - Please stop using the word 'nerf' Nothing spells 'incompetence' or 'don't take me serious' like those four letters
Eka Maladay Gallente The Elliance	Posted - 2008.02.18 08:30:00 - [2] Well, micro warp drive is still technically still a warp core. It does make sense that when you are under warp scrambling and distruping, you can't move as fast. perhaps when you are being scrambled, each point will slow your Microwarp drive down by certain percentage, and in a bubble you are hardly able to use it at all. ----------------------------------------------- I tank, therefore I am.
Verys The Black Ops Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.18 08:33:00 - [3] Pointless, this is just another of those ideas to kill the speed for example on nano/speed ships. MWD is just fine as it is atm. ----------------------------------------------
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.02.18 08:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Tarron Sarek I'd like to talk about increasing the amount of advantages on ABs. Of course that means taking some away from MWDs. And that's where the flames might start. But please, try to stay calm and level-headed. To cut a long story short, my suggestions are as follows: - No MWD usage/activation inside of warp disrupting spheres - Slight (20-50%, I'm not sure) MWD disruption caused by Warp Disruptors (20+ km) - Strong (75-100%?) MWD disruption caused by Warp Scramblers (7,5+ km) This is not an improvement for ABs, but a nerf of MWDs. Especially the "no mwd inside bubbles" is pretty gamebreaking, because that is why you actually fit mwds in fleets, and would stop the purpose of blockaderunners in 0.0. Additionally, it would mean that ceptors would never come into a bubble, because they would instantly die there.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.18 09:53:00 - [5] Why not make neutral ships jumping in a bubble suffer 32131231311 points of damage so they can just deliver the killmail and not run around? Seriously. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Reggie Stoneloader Teikoku Trade Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.18 10:10:00 - [6] AB is already a very good module. Uses extremely little cap, relatively speaking, and has no penalties. Also fits more easily. The problem, as you said, is that it's a half-measure. The guy with the MWD will get away every time, and he'll catch you every time, and the extra cap and smaller sig you have because of the AB will save you one time out of thirty, whereas his ability to fly out of your range and disengage will save him twenty-seven times out of thirty. Really, you may as well take the AB off, put another webber on and fit bigger guns, then only fight things that get close enough. So you're right, and unless the MWD scourge is brought to an end the state of affairs will not favor an afterburner in more than a very few situations. But it's not really that big a deal. Just fit a MWD and go along with the prevailing trend. AB are for mission runners. Crusades: Security Status
Jalaliba Minmatar Jalaliba Trading Company	Posted - 2008.02.18 13:49:00 - [7] Or how about, webbers only affect MWD and not AB? Keeps MWD the same but boosts AB.
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.02.18 13:56:00 - [8] What is mostly needed is boosting ABs a bit... ABs don't give you half the speed the MWD gives, half would be good, currently, it's just too slow. The current values are more around AB foes 1/3 top speed of mwd. If it was around 1/2, then it would be much more enjoyable to use ABs in PVP (and as well in missions, they are mostly deadspace). -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II


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