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Tatsy
Caldari Bank of Dru
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Posted - 2008.02.18 17:23:00 -
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Just found Crazy Bug!
Well since i cant Create Contracts and Transfer Money to my Corp wallet while this account is on trial mode, how can i send money to my corp wallet?
i decided to create a sell order on the market using the Corp wallet and buy the item with my personal wallet convinced that the money would go to the corp wallet like its supposed...since the item is being sold by the corp.... but for my suprise the ISK vanished without a trace.
Steps: Buy 1 item Tobacco Sell the Tobacco using the Master Wallet of The corp, ( Price 500,000 ISK or something above regional price ) Refresh the Market with the item Tobacco ( as you can see your item is being sold by 500K ) Now Buy the Tobacco using your Personal Wallet.
Suprise! Suprise! You just bought 1 unit of tabacco for 500K, the money is gone from your Personal Wallet and Nothing on the Corp wallet!!
And better!, if you click Corporation Orders or My orders you can see that the Item is still being sold in the market! but how? i just bought it!
What the hell just happened here? Who got my 500K?
The Blood Raiders finnaly managed to hack the EVE bank? :P
So everyone, carefull if you create sell orders for sending money to your corp....
PS:
CCP: I want my damn money back please! And im not talking about 500K! Check my petitions!
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2008.02.18 17:27:00 -
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The lowest buy order gets all the money. Yours was not the lowest I take it?
If you wanted to accomplish it you'd put the tobacco up at some stupid low price and buy it immediately while entering in some stupid high price.
Or you could stop being a trial account. ____
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Alora Venoda
Caldari GalTech Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.02.18 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ridley Tree The lowest buy order gets all the money. Yours was not the lowest I take it?
If you wanted to accomplish it you'd put the tobacco up at some stupid low price and buy it immediately while entering in some stupid high price.
Or you could stop being a trial account.
well he said the sell order did reflect the sale... did the corp transaction log show that it sold the item to you? did your transaction log show that you bought it from yourself? (since you created the original sell order)
if so, then the sale did match to the intended order and a lower priced order in same station did not interfere. perhaps a GM may need to look at it...
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Tatsy
Caldari Bank of Dru
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Posted - 2008.02.18 17:45:00 -
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On the transaction list of the wallet says that the Client is the NPC station where im docked.... Since when NPC corp's buy tobacco at 500k?
They must have serious problems with nicotine....
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SoldierOfFortune
Caldari Sheepish R and D
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Posted - 2008.02.18 17:58:00 -
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yea, tis true. person offering lowest price for the goods gets the sale, AND for the price of which you first selected to buy from, so the guy offering the lowest price got a nice 500k "RAWR" is my keyword, and also my second language |
Bishman82
Racketeers
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Posted - 2008.02.18 18:02:00 -
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If there are 2 sellers of an item in market, say 'seller a' is selling at 2m and 'seller b' at 1m and you chose to buy from 'seller a' by accident, the money will go to the lowest seller even if it's not the price they had listed.
So your 500,000 went to the NPC buyer like it should have.
I've noticed this happening with my sell orders sometimes, Cov-ops cloaks selling for 11.4m when i have them for sale at 7.5 someone is clicking the wrong price and i get extra money.
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.18 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Hohne on 18/02/2008 18:15:28 Steps:
Buy 1 item Tobacco < This buys it from the NPC order, at the NPC price Sell the Tobacco using the Master Wallet of The corp, ( Price 500,000 ISK or something above regional price ) < This places a sell order that will NEVER be filled, unless it is lower than the npc sell order at the same station Refresh the Market with the item Tobacco ( as you can see your item is being sold by 500K ) Now Buy the Tobacco using your Personal Wallet. < This buys another unit of tobacco from the NPC for 500k !. You told the market that you were willing to pay 500k, then it went and found the guy selling it for the least, and gave him 500k
You will still have your 1 unit trying to be sold for 500k, it was never sold.
This is by design. Not a bug. The person with the lowest sell order will ALWAYS make the sale. However much you want to pay for the item is up to you (you can place a buy order for 10 billion isk if you like, and the NPC will fill it instantly and take the isk).
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Caligulus
Legion of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2008.02.18 18:19:00 -
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One thing that the above posters are neglecting to mention is that this "intended behavior" only happens when the sell orders are in the same station.
IE) If you buy that outrageously priced tobacco at a station where it is the only tobacco up for sale in that station then the buy order will go through to you. If there is a second buy order at a lower rate then the one with the buy order up for the lower rate will get the ISKies. ------------------------------------------------- **** You're out of your mind!
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Frug
True Foundation R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.02.18 18:27:00 -
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Ah the weekly "why can't I funnel money?" post.
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.18 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Caligulus One thing that the above posters are neglecting to mention is that this "intended behavior" only happens when the sell orders are in the same station.
IE) If you buy that outrageously priced tobacco at a station where it is the only tobacco up for sale in that station then the buy order will go through to you. If there is a second buy order at a lower rate then the one with the buy order up for the lower rate will get the ISKies.
Of course, if you try and buy the item at the station, however if you placed a buy order that was region wide, you would get the lowest priced items anywhere in the whole region, regardless of station. Eve sees that you want an item at a station, and gives the sale to the cheapest item for sale there, if you want an item at another station it doesn't deny you the ability to buy there because another is cheaper. But if you tell it you don't care about the station, it reverts to the cheapest 'in range'.
I see it all the time though, people selling skillbooks above npc cost at a station that has NPCs that sell them, totally unaware that it is actually a game mechanic in place that will make it technically impossible for them to ever sell it.
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.18 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Hohne on 18/02/2008 18:31:01
Originally by: Frug Ah the weekly "why can't I funnel money?" post.
Well TBH, the question isn't really about the funneling, since it would work at another station, but about the market behaviour that prevents it, at the same station. (which is relelvent funneling or not)
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Frug
True Foundation R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.02.18 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hohne Edited by: Hohne on 18/02/2008 18:31:01
Originally by: Frug Ah the weekly "why can't I funnel money?" post.
Well TBH, the question isn't really about the funneling, since it would work at another station, but about the market behaviour that prevents it, at the same station. (which is relelvent funneling or not)
That doesn't make it not about funneling. It's clearly about funneling. What isn't funneling about it just because it would work in the right situation?
The market behavior is pretty simple, and it's set up that way to avoid funneling.
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Vested Interest
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Posted - 2008.02.18 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
That doesn't make it not about funneling. It's clearly about funneling. What isn't funneling about it just because it would work in the right situation?
The market behavior is pretty simple, and it's set up that way to avoid funneling.
I disagree that this is the primary reason for the market working like this. The main reason is to reward the diligent trader who keeps his price hot.
If they simply let you skip over the guy with the best price what would be the point of competing at all?
Any anti-funneling effect is a tertiary benefit.
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Vested Interest If they simply let you skip over the guy with the best price what would be the point of competing at all?
The point of competing would be that most people would buy from you as you have a competitive price.
I know comparisons with the real world don't always work in Eve. But here it does. What's the logic in forcing you to buy from the lowest seller (apart from stopping money-laundering)? It's as if I went into my local supermarket to buy some oranges and ended up buying them from the shop two miles down the road because they're cheaper.
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2008.02.19 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
Originally by: Vested Interest If they simply let you skip over the guy with the best price what would be the point of competing at all?
The point of competing would be that most people would buy from you as you have a competitive price.
I know comparisons with the real world don't always work in Eve. But here it does. What's the logic in forcing you to buy from the lowest seller (apart from stopping money-laundering)? It's as if I went into my local supermarket to buy some oranges and ended up buying them from the shop two miles down the road because they're cheaper.
wrong analogy, try this one:
you go to one shop (station) and notice that there are different shelves with the same product (exactly the same product, no brandname, no difference in labels, the same period). Funny thing is though that the different shelves have different price tags. Some even have an insance price....
Of course, in this situation, you look for the most expensive shelve, take one item from it walk to cash register and tell her: "Look, I know there is a cheaper price for this things, but can I please pay this insane price for it?"
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:51:00 -
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Ouch seems like you lost your isk to the eve market broker system; the way the eve market works is that the order with the lowest sell price in a station will get the isk even if you decide to buy at a higher price.
What happened is that the station brokers bought the goods at the cheapest price available in the station and resold them to you for the price you were willing to pay. - - -
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