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xJeppe
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:38:00 -
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Hi, I'm new to POS's and all that but I'm considering putting one up to run by myself. Now I'm wondering how easy it would be to profit from ie. moon mining. If I put up a small, or maybe even a medium pos in <0.3 could I profit from selling the raw materials? Or do you think I will need to make reactions etc to make some isk. I'm not asking for this to be a major income but mainly beeing able to maintain running the pos itself. Could anyone estimate the costs of running a small or a medium pos for say a month or a week, if I buy the fuel? Is this doable for a single new pos owner? Thanks for any comments and advices
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Little Matt
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:27:00 -
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Fuel will cost you roughly 40-50 mil per month for a small POS.
Whether you make a profit, and how much, depends largely on the minerals you will harvest from the moon, and where you try selling them.
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xJeppe
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Little Matt
Fuel will cost you roughly 40-50 mil per month for a small POS.
Whether you make a profit, and how much, depends largely on the minerals you will harvest from the moon, and where you try selling them.
Then what would the difference in maintaining a medium pos be?
40-50m a month sounds ok, but I guess finding the right combinations of reactions / raw materials or whatever would take a lot of calculations by my part to see if its profitable. I currently live around amarr. How hard would it be to find a moon that suits me? What sort of moons should I be looking for? Or is this stupid questions that I should be able to find the answers to in the guides? Thanks again..
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Simariliia
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: Simariliia on 19/02/2008 00:59:05
Originally by: xJeppe
Originally by: Little Matt
Fuel will cost you roughly 40-50 mil per month for a small POS.
Whether you make a profit, and how much, depends largely on the minerals you will harvest from the moon, and where you try selling them.
Then what would the difference in maintaining a medium pos be?
40-50m a month sounds ok, but I guess finding the right combinations of reactions / raw materials or whatever would take a lot of calculations by my part to see if its profitable. I currently live around amarr. How hard would it be to find a moon that suits me? What sort of moons should I be looking for? Or is this stupid questions that I should be able to find the answers to in the guides? Thanks again..
Generaly unless u find a Dysp or Prom moon u arent getting insanly rich.
However, tecnium, ceasium, mercury still gives a nice income, aswell as Neodynium and thulium. those are more 80-140ish mill pr mothn in profit raw. maybe some more for tec and ceasium.
platinium and Cadmium and some other like vanadium, pays for the small pos, howevr they doesnt give much income raw either more like 50-80 ish mill a mothn max in profit.
gases are generaly not worth mining unless u are going to react em. same goes for cobalt and tungstein.
the big isk is in reacting em though.
just remember that those prices isnt totaly correct and that they change all the time. also it depend on where u sell it and how much u get fuel for ect ect.
also unless u are looking to get several moons for a network/chain I wouldnt do it.
and that takes some serious isk to start.
Also remember to have the firepower to defend one. or else u might find ure 200mill investment (small faction tower) getting blown to pieces after 1 mothn.
KAPOWVBOM |
xJeppe
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Simariliia
Edited by: Simariliia on 19/02/2008 00:56:31
Generaly unless u find a Dysp or Prom moon u arent getting insanly rich.
However, tecnium, ceasium, mercury still gives a nice income, aswell as Neodynium and thulium. those are more 80-140ish mill pr mothn in profit raw. maybe some more for tec and ceasium.
platinium and Cadmium and some other like vanadium, pays for the small pos, howevr they doesnt give much income raw either more like 50-80 ish mill a mothn max in profit.
gases are generaly not worth mining unless u are going to react em. same goes for cobalt and tungstein.
the big isk is in reacting em though.
just remember that those prices isnt totaly correct and that they chance all the time. also it depend on where u sell it and how much u get fuel for ect ect.
Thanks for the breakdown of types of metals How hard do you reckon it'd be to find free moons like the ones you were talking about 80-140m? Would you advise a small or medium pos? Is there to much risk involved in this to invest in, even if it doesnt necessarily get me any real profit? (I mean as it's low sec and all that)
Thanks.
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Simariliia
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Simariliia on 19/02/2008 01:10:08
Edited by: Simariliia on 19/02/2008 01:08:36
Originally by: xJeppe
Thanks for the breakdown of types of metals How hard do you reckon it'd be to find free moons like the ones you were talking about 80-140m? Would you advise a small or medium pos? Is there to much risk involved in this to invest in, even if it doesnt necessarily get me any real profit? (I mean as it's low sec and all that)
Thanks.
Unless u gonna react I dont see the point using a medium pos.
its just makes it less profitable and cost more to the beginn with. I however recommend buying a small faction pos. Saves u around 10mill a mothn in fuel cost. also can run longer without refuling ect.
if someone is comming for ure moon is going down even if its a medium, if arent able to defend it ofc.
about finding moons..I cant answere u. I havent been around that much. however generaly its harder in more populated regions like the Forge and around any larger alliance low sec backyard. So best idea is to stay away from there if ure in a small corp.
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xJeppe
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:34:00 -
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Thanks a lot I'll probably try to set up one the next week or so. :)
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xJeppe
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:38:00 -
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Could someone please tell me if system sec status makes any difference in types of materials a moon has? eg. will a 0.2 system generally have moon minerals/metals that are rarer and more worth than a 0.3 system. I'm trying to find a good spot for my pos but so far I've only found systems already crowded with them. So i'm thinking about pushing further down in low sec where there are fewer people.
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Darth Felin
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Posted - 2008.02.20 09:57:00 -
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It is pure random
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voidvim
Minmatar
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.20 10:43:00 -
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try my guide which is linked below
Salvaging guide:moon materials guide |
Simariliia
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.20 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: xJeppe
Could someone please tell me if system sec status makes any difference in types of materials a moon has? eg. will a 0.2 system generally have moon minerals/metals that are rarer and more worth than a 0.3 system. I'm trying to find a good spot for my pos but so far I've only found systems already crowded with them. So i'm thinking about pushing further down in low sec where there are fewer people.
u gonna generaly have a very hard time finding a decent low sec moon I think, that doesnt have a pos on it.
U might be lucky ofc.
but I think u more or less have to pay some mercs for a takedown fee or take some down ureself.
KAPOWVBOM |
Jadin Lazarin
Caldari
Best Path Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.20 17:50:00 -
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Despite what ppl have been saying you won't find it that difficult to locate a platinum or chromium moon especially if you start checking the less visited systems. throw up a small pos and you will make a profit one either of those mins, or if you have extra income think about throwing up a medium or large pos and simply creating reactions from market bought mins.
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xJeppe
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Posted - 2008.02.20 21:42:00 -
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Thanks for the encouraging comments I've found a platinum moon only 3 jumps from high sec, so I'm on the right path hopefully. 
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Letrange
Minmatar
Chaosstorm Corporation
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2008.02.20 22:18:00 -
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The other route to profiting from a POS is to setup a high sec research POS where you charge for the alliance use of the research slots. 6k/3k seems to be the going rate for large research alliances/corporations. So long as the demand is there you'll make a profit.
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xJeppe
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Posted - 2008.02.21 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Simariliia
Edited by: Simariliia on 19/02/2008 00:59:05
Originally by: xJeppe
Originally by: Little Matt
Fuel will cost you roughly 40-50 mil per month for a small POS.
Whether you make a profit, and how much, depends largely on the minerals you will harvest from the moon, and where you try selling them.
Then what would the difference in maintaining a medium pos be?
40-50m a month sounds ok, but I guess finding the right combinations of reactions / raw materials or whatever would take a lot of calculations by my part to see if its profitable. I currently live around amarr. How hard would it be to find a moon that suits me? What sort of moons should I be looking for? Or is this stupid questions that I should be able to find the answers to in the guides? Thanks again..
Generaly unless u find a Dysp or Prom moon u arent getting insanly rich.
However, tecnium, ceasium, mercury still gives a nice income, aswell as Neodynium and thulium. those are more 80-140ish mill pr mothn in profit raw. maybe some more for tec and ceasium.
platinium and Cadmium and some other like vanadium, pays for the small pos, howevr they doesnt give much income raw either more like 50-80 ish mill a mothn max in profit.
gases are generaly not worth mining unless u are going to react em. same goes for cobalt and tungstein.
the big isk is in reacting em though.
just remember that those prices isnt totaly correct and that they change all the time. also it depend on where u sell it and how much u get fuel for ect ect.
also unless u are looking to get several moons for a network/chain I wouldnt do it.
and that takes some serious isk to start.
Also remember to have the firepower to defend one. or else u might find ure 200mill investment (small faction tower) getting blown to pieces after 1 mothn.
What will 'sufficient firepower' be in my situation then you think? I only really want to keep random pirates away, situations like that. I have:
1 warp disruptor battery
1 webber battery
2 Med Beam batteries
3 Small Pulse Batteries
2 Small Beam Batteries
Any comments on that?
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Cpt Fina
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.02.21 02:41:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Fina on 21/02/2008 02:40:57
Originally by: xJeppe
What will 'sufficient firepower' be in my situation then you think? I only really want to keep random pirates away, situations like that. I have:
1 warp disruptor battery
1 webber battery
2 Med Beam batteries
3 Small Pulse Batteries
2 Small Beam Batteries
Any comments on that?
I suggest that you get in contact with a merc-corp or the some locals that can respond to a distresscall reasonable fast. It's not unusual for "ransom pirates" to have dreads these days.
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Simariliia
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 06:34:00 -
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xJeppe: enough guns ect.
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the guns aint gonna matter rly.
all u need is a web and a disruptor and 2 small, maybe a medium gun to pop randome bypassers.
a small pos isnt gonna defend itself anyways agains anything with more than 2-3bs.
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Ma'ax
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Posted - 2008.02.22 03:13:00 -
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Forget it. You will never be able to defend a pos with a solo corp. Any newbie PvP corp will ransom you for a couple hundred million, then pop your pos without blinking. Moon mining is boring and not worth the grief unless you have friends to go to war with you.
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Ewina Acoma
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Posted - 2008.02.22 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ma'ax
Forget it. You will never be able to defend a pos with a solo corp. Any newbie PvP corp will ransom you for a couple hundred million, then pop your pos without blinking. Moon mining is boring and not worth the grief unless you have friends to go to war with you.
Defend the POS is not the only problem. You can easily see the fuel requirement. Don't forget to see the volume needed, because you will have to feed it again and again, and every jump is really dandgerous in low sec in a cargo with a paper armor. If you mine Ice, ask yourself "does I mine enough ?", "does I mine far away ?". Think you will have more than one travel by week only for bring it Ice. Maybe you need to bring other moon material for reaction, don't forget you have to pay it, and to bring it, usually from the empire.
You think : Okay, POS is a really big job, but moon material have a good value and like other do it, i can do it too.
You are wrong, because there is lot of way of holding a POS.
It is really easy to hold it in a big alliance secure area, with optimized friendly mining team, with carrier, dreadnaught or rorqual support, and secure empire acces. Yes they can have a really good production. Yes they make money.
For you, and me, a POS mean more a very long time hauling in low sec with lot of foes, with time restrictions, the more of your money invested, and the risk to lose one month of profit in one ship.
The rule of Eve : "Don't fly it if you can't buy it"
Adapted to POS manager : "Don't launch it if you can't become poor"
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Simariliia
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.23 09:53:00 -
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I run a several full complex chain posnetwork. around 12-13 poses atm. and thats not in our 0.0 space.
what u gotto do is to work out :
a) some guys providing u fuel, pos stuff ect close to your base for a cheap price/discount since rue buying in bulks.
b) hire local merc/pirats, to take down poses, and help defending it on short notice.
c) for 1 or 2 poses its doable with a Deep space runner rigged out to do the hauling/logistic, but after that only freighter can more or less cover it. So u need to figure out a way to do logistic realitvly safe.
however, u still need some seriuos mussles if u gonna invest a bit more heavy.
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