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Wylker
Caldari
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:18:00 -
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Tank's post made me realize that eve pretty much is the only MMO where you can't respec in any form. I mean you can train other skills and branch out, but what if you really want to "wipe the slate clean"?
What would be an acceptable cost for respeccing? I was thinking something like the ability to spend 10% of your total SP to put all your SP in a "bank". Then you have to repurchase any and all skillbooks you want to train, but then you can allocate SP from your bank into the skills until you have spent them all. Maybe the ability to move 1 attribute point if you spend 1 million SP or something. Thoughts?
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Wylker
Caldari
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:18:00 -
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Tank's post made me realize that eve pretty much is the only MMO where you can't respec in any form. I mean you can train other skills and branch out, but what if you really want to "wipe the slate clean"?
What would be an acceptable cost for respeccing? I was thinking something like the ability to spend 10% of your total SP to put all your SP in a "bank". Then you have to repurchase any and all skillbooks you want to train, but then you can allocate SP from your bank into the skills until you have spent them all. Maybe the ability to move 1 attribute point if you spend 1 million SP or something. Thoughts?
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Wylker
Tank's post made me realize that eve pretty much is the only MMO where you can't respec in any form. I mean you can train other skills and branch out, but what if you really want to "wipe the slate clean"?
Then you go to the Character & Timecode Bazaar and buy a new character.
Originally by: Wylker
What would be an acceptable cost for respeccing?
Depends how many SP's you're willing to pay for.
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Originally by: Victor Valka
What the skull-chick said.
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:20:00 -
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker
Tank's post made me realize that eve pretty much is the only MMO where you can't respec in any form. I mean you can train other skills and branch out, but what if you really want to "wipe the slate clean"?
Then you go to the Character & Timecode Bazaar and buy a new character.
Originally by: Wylker
What would be an acceptable cost for respeccing?
Depends how many SP's you're willing to pay for.
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Originally by: Victor Valka
What the skull-chick said.
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:20:00 -
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R-E-S-T-E-C-P!
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:28:00 -
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As I suggested in tanks post DNA mutators
You got the minor ones for the bonus points you rolled wrong
materials for them can be gained form any implanted body and they are overally very cheap.
youll spend a week losing that the bonus point and another week gaining that point.
The tech 2 stuff could change bloodlines, youll 'de-evolve'into the highest common skillpoints shared between the two bloodlines before you start gaining points, 1 week per point may take a month of two to fully mutate.
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:28:00 -
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As I suggested in tanks post DNA mutators
You got the minor ones for the bonus points you rolled wrong
materials for them can be gained form any implanted body and they are overally very cheap.
youll spend a week losing that the bonus point and another week gaining that point.
The tech 2 stuff could change bloodlines, youll 'de-evolve'into the highest common skillpoints shared between the two bloodlines before you start gaining points, 1 week per point may take a month of two to fully mutate.
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Wylker
Caldari
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox
As I suggested in tanks post DNA mutators
You got the minor ones for the bonus points you rolled wrong
materials for them can be gained form any implanted body and they are overally very cheap.
youll spend a week losing that the bonus point and another week gaining that point.
The tech 2 stuff could change bloodlines, youll 'de-evolve'into the highest common skillpoints shared between the two bloodlines before you start gaining points, 1 week per point may take a month of two to fully mutate.
That seems grindy to me, like gaining SP. I want it to COST something, and not isk, because everyone has billions right? 
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Nova Fox on 19/02/2008 18:01:08
It does cost something you lose attributes for a few weeks thus you lose training time. This is proper punishment for not making the right decision the first time but people who are hardheaded enough and willing enough still have the option.
At least you can train normally during this time. Also blood line mutators may be harder to gain since material for them is rare and more specific (you gotta kill a achuran scientist for example to get a chance at getting an achuran scientist mutator part) while the bonus points ones you can get from any dead body, also palnetary access is required :P
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Jack Freely
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.02.19 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker
but what if you really want to "wipe the slate clean"?
Isn't that what new characters are for?
Really just pop open a new account and restart, or new account and buy a character thats for sale
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Vasili vonHolst
Minmatar
Gargamel's Lair
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Posted - 2008.02.19 18:15:00 -
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This ^
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Conrad Rock
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.02.19 18:36:00 -
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The pay off should be a higher reskilling time. Simple.
To turn 256,000 skillpoints from a level 5 rank 1 skill, it should reskill at double rank.
People usually suggest simply deleting and adding new skills while training your normal skill path, but that's what CCP is adamantly against.
Instead, stopping the normal skill training to use the special impaired and slower reskilling seems more acceptable without breaking the eve "spirit".
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 18:39:00 -
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Create a new character or crosstrain what skills you want instead of trying to ruin the game with horrible ideas like this one.
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.19 18:44:00 -
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mutators make so much more sense and there is already some ground work already done for it.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Stardust Heavy Industries
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.19 19:30:00 -
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I quit the day theres a respec in eve.
Play WoW instead.
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Tank CEO
Caldari
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.19 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
I quit the day theres a respec in eve.
Play WoW instead.
Good.
Also, why did you make a new forum post? Why not keep it under 1 post like under mine.. This is prolly just going to get locked.
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Syringe
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:21:00 -
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Ya know - they introduced respec into SWG when they did the infamous "Combat Upgrade" (the first of many awful decisions). It pretty well sucked then. I can't forsee it being good for eve.
Train your learning skills, buy some implants. Problem fixed.
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Misanth
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.20 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker
Tank's post made me realize that eve pretty much is the only MMO where you can't respec in any form.
I'd love to see some statistics on that, and a clarification on what you count as an 'mmo'. If you count Diablo 2 and similar dungeon rp-games as a massive multiplayer online (well, that's what it is, so seems reasonable) game, then I'd like to generalise back and say that you are wrong.
From the very early text based rpg's you played on bbs, to muds, to the dungeon based rp games like diablo, mu, ragnarok or whatever kind of game you want to mention (more recent version of that would be hellgate london).. in them you assign your stats- and skillpoints and then you are stuck. Some of them had later patches that let you affect certain stats/specs, but in general.. the idea was that if you 'maxed out' and wasn't happy with stats, you made a new character.
EVE is not very friendly to that due to the skilltraining system, but as one of these old online rp-gamers (we're talking 4400modem on amiga500 and bbs) I feel most games nowadays are too playerfriendly and wussy, to be honest. Most gamers grew up in what now is classed as 'hardcore setting'. At the very least you had xp penalty on death, there was either a level cap that limited your skill choices, or no level cap but extremely low xp gain which virtually limited your choices. And in many cases, when you lost your character it was gone forever.
EVE is very forgiving and friendly as it is. As much as I'd love to swap some stats around, and possibly skills, it kills the very essence and foundation of mmo-games as I see it.
That was the long story. The short story is:
I disagree with you, games shouldn't have options to respec.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
This is a historic occasion.
Apocaloomph.
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Mithlana
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Posted - 2008.02.20 01:24:00 -
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The comparison to WoW is not a good one. SP are nothing like Talent Points in WoW. talent points are trivial in WoW. They are very easy to change. Moreover, having talent points doesnt mean anything if you dont have the correct gear. and, unlike EVE, as you know, the best gear cannot be bought with gold.
the more similar comparison to SP in wow is actually your gear. A full set of T6 purples, for example, is much closer to a full set of useful level 5 skills.
I thought this made sense when i started to write it, but maybe it doesnt. Oh well.
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Jason Kildaro
Minmatar
Red Dwarf Mining Corps
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Posted - 2008.02.20 02:01:00 -
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Other MMO's also do not let you change class by simply changing your gear either. I can become a support ship (healer in other MMO's) a tackler (a thief, I guess) a sniper (what is anther MMO equivalent of this?) a tank, or ganker. Heck, I can even change my professions depending on what I am flying.
In some cases I can do this in ONE ship with the right modules. I think Eve gives you that "respec" character thing. It's just in a different form.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.20 03:15:00 -
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Me.
see this? I don't want to respec tbh.
hell tbh I don't need to respec. atm I can fly all ships up to T2 cruisers and the next in the line is pretty much command ships and their gang modules.
and guess what, 35 days or so and I'll be able to fly all 8 of them.
granted that it will take some more 4 months to use all gang modules but still...
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Acidictadpole
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.20 03:17:00 -
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Thinking about respeccing it gives me an idea that was used in SWG to change your stats around. (Health action mind, and all respective secondary attributes also).
Basically what happened is you set the stats you want and it gradually moves there at so many points per hour/day/whatever. I was thinking about a possible implementation, though not very hopeful that CCP will actually bring in a respeccing mechanic.
Basically what happens is you give up an entire skill (say erase an entire gunnery set, ALL 5 levels), then you can gain as many back as you want instantly. If you put those levels into something else, you need to train them again. But you train at 3x-4x the speed (based on whether the primary and secondary attributes are the same between those skills). Such that, if you give up a skill that has perception as a primary and willpower as a secondary, you will train another skill with those two as primary and secondary respectively, you will train that new skill at 5x. if the primary skill doesn't match you get -2x multiplier, and if the secondary doesn't match you get -1x multiplier. Therefore if they both don't match it'll be a 2x training multiplier (numbers will need to be tweaked of course).
Of course this method will take a LOT of planning. Since there can be a lot of confusion with prerequisites, although that's why I think that you should be able to regain skills you gave up instantly, provided that's the skill you gave up.
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Dr Saitek
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Posted - 2008.02.20 04:03:00 -
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You do realize that if respec'ing sees that light of day, Jenny Spitfire 3.0 may respec to a real carebear. Think about that for a sec. :)
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