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AnKahn
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.02.19 20:30:00 -
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I fly the Drake and Raven. I dabble in crosstraining Gallente. I am a noob at just about 12 SP. I have 5 mil SP in missiles.
I use both the Drake and Raven for lvl 4 missions. Can do AE and enemies abound, etc. I have toasted a few ships by not paying attention or messing up aggro. But they are easily replacable tech one ships with off the rack T2 fittings, no faction stuff, and fully insurable. I lose maybe 25 mil if I lose a Raven and actually a little more if I lose a Drake because purger rigs are pricy. And really I haven't lost a ship to stupidity (PvE anyway) is months.
Yes the Drake is slow. I use it if a room insta aggros. The Raven is great, of course, but it's tank is not as good as the Drake's so I use the Raven if I can snipe.
I understand other Race's ships do lvl 4 missions well also.
What I don't get is why do you guys want to use tech II ships for missions? Too much isk to burn? Or is it like the guy that keeps his shiney Corvette in his garage and drives it on the weekends?
Tech II ships were ment for PvP I thought. Does the lack of tech II insurance mean all these cool ships are doomed to killing only rats?
Obviously you all can do anything you want with your isk. I get the CNR is mission running king so I might buy one for PvE. But tech II ships? I would understand if we were talking lvl 5+ missions. But we're not. I just would hate training up so I could use a ship like a tech II Drake.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.02.19 20:37:00 -
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The faster you complete a mission, the faster you earn isk. It pays off.
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Pilgrim Guide
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Lumberjackhammer
Caldari
Wildlands Heavy Technologies
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.19 20:40:00 -
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because the tech 2 ships are better :)
seriously tho, I get your point, and I agree with you, but its not all about isk and risk, its about having fun, to spoil yourself, and in many cases, the tech 2 ships are different to fly (not so much with caldari, but still some differences).
as an example, raven, perfect mission runner, cnr is better, and then we got golem, very good as well, but with the paint and t-beam bonus it opens up new options (along with better res and fewer highslots for guns)
drake, also a prefect mission runner, so why risk a Nighthawk?, well, better damage, better tank (yeah I know, dmg isnt alot) but the main bonus that makes the nighhawk shine over the drake in lvl 4`s is the bonus to precision, wich makes the nighthawk run some lvl 4`s even faster then a raven (just some tho)
but like I said, agree with you, but dont forget to spoil yourself and have fun, as well as being effective and economic
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Borasao
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:05:00 -
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I am a noob at just about 12 SP
I think you need to reroll 
But seriously... fly what you want to fly. Tech2 ships tank better and such and are harder to kill in missions while outputing more damage (usually) than their tech1 counterparts.
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Cavazos
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:11:00 -
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yea raven and drake r good for missions but haha i felt kinda bad wen i got into PvP with my 85%+ resist drake (which was for missions) lol it tanked a tempest, hyperion, myrmidon and those were all t2 fitted XD but for missions i use Cerb mainly for solo lvl 4's but if someone needs one done quick asnf fast maybe the same but then my raven has a tank where it can be 5km from the whole room and as along as its moving it tanks like its nothin but if it jus sits there it tends to get to at least 45% shield then boost itself back up but b4 my computer got screwed up and such i was training for a Nighthawk which i had sitting only a few jumps away and yea it pricey ship at almost 225mil isk but wen all i do is run missions since i left 0.0 space its jus a nice lil present
But then again most people that know me know that i fly all 4 races right now all i need is amarr cruiser, and gallente cruiser to lvl 5 to fly recons, and HAC's but once i get that command ships skill ill be flying all 4 races Command ships so my next objective would be Marauders and Black ops but those for missions and maybe if big enough gang PvP
But the point is drake really is one of the best mission ships not as good as CNR and it could be better then the Raven if ur fitted right but those ships are all good choices
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: AnKahn
Yes the Drake is slow.
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What I don't get is why do you guys want to use tech II ships for missions?
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That connection there didn't tip you off? +simultaneous looting, + easier tanking + easier fitting + utility slots so easier remreps if you want a gankship with you, or something.
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Tech II ships were ment for PvP I thought.
You thought wrong, plain and simple. At least for Marauders, which were made specifically with PvE in mind. Doesn't mean you can't PvP in them of course.
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AnKahn
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.02.20 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Borasao
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I am a noob at just about 12 SP
I think you need to reroll
But seriously... fly what you want to fly. Tech2 ships tank better and such and are harder to kill in missions while outputing more damage (usually) than their tech1 counterparts.
Reading FTW or ADD for the lose!
Yes guys, indulge yourselves with mission running tech II ships. Someday I hope to be in a position to want to do that.
I still feel if you could really insure those expensive ships, or even some of those modules, it would be better for PvP.
However, knowing EvE players, there would be an insane amount of insurance fraud then.
Just wanted to know if I was really missing something. So now I will refrain from posting "But why?" on all these tech II ship setup for lvl 4 posts.
Thanks for the replies.
Cheers
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Cavazos
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Posted - 2008.02.20 17:32:00 -
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who knos lol because lvl 4's r tankable by HAC's and t2 ships
and actually if u insure HAC's (Heavy Assault Cruisers) its kind ofa waste of isk because u dont even barely get a quarter of the total cost of the ship alone so u lose isk if u insure it so people jus save their isk and if they lose it they jus have enough to buy another might be hard to understand but true
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Julius Romanus
Blood Corsair's
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.20 17:46:00 -
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Most T2 ships come with better resists, and something closer to the performance of the next size up ship(ignoring t2 bs'), along with the sig of the smaller ship that they are.
To Illustrate with Amarr:
The punisher is a great little banger, it will tank just about anything you throw at it in level 2's(and ironically bs heavy level 4's if you're hanging out with a corp mate or something while they mission). It's dps is low, and its tank not quite good enough to deal with level 3's or even some of the hardest level 2's if you mess up.
Last time I ground level 1's though, I used a beam sader. It was magnificent....
Enter the retribution, a ship often sworn by for amarr level 3's. In this case its not really better than any of the t1 ships you'd be replacing. But my heavy beam harb was a pretty big risk when accepting lowsec missions(teh irony). A retri however, warps around like a frigate. A frig with a tank that might get it back to the gate even if it gets caught.
A zealot however out tanks my harb, does most of the ranged firepower(expecially after patch) and gets around much quicker. It's not even a question at all when comparing to the prophecy.
There are some plenty good choices in the Amarr bs line for amarr level 4's. But in the Absolution you get most of the good things from the BS line, only the 3 mid slot of the geddon annoyance for the bad, all in one sexy CS package.
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Captain Rod
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Posted - 2008.02.20 18:11:00 -
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Coz tech II ships are shexshee.
Uhum.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.20 18:42:00 -
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It depends where your skills are, really. My skills are pretty much all in frigate/cruiser combat, so T2 cruisers actually outperform BS in missions on some of my characters. Also, don't underestimate the value of clearing out the frigs quickly.
Food for thought: when doing the whole tank/salvage thing, the Ishtar is actually better than the Domi all the way until you get BS5.
-Liang
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.02.20 18:57:00 -
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Drake is good, but NH is better! Atleast i think so and experienced it that way.
I only once almost got it shot from under me cuz i tanked wrong and used an active setup doing the Cargo delivery mission (Nossie npc's 4TW ) and had to warp out with structure damage hehe.
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AnKahn
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:15:00 -
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I would like to hear who can tank that cargo delivery mission after you trigger the NOSing BS. Makes you remember why NOS was nerfed.
Of course the best ship for that one is a shuttle. Or warp out as soon as you get the objective completed message and buy the quafe on the market.
Yea, that's how much of a carebear nerd I am for now.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: AnKahn
I would like to hear who can tank that cargo delivery mission after you trigger the NOSing BS. Makes you remember why NOS was nerfed.
Of course the best ship for that one is a shuttle. Or warp out as soon as you get the objective completed message and buy the quafe on the market.
Yea, that's how much of a carebear nerd I am for now.
I easily tank it in my Drake.
-Liang
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Jason Duvolle
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:19:00 -
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t2 insurance only pays the t1 equiv
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AnKahn
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.02.20 20:15:00 -
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Llang,
Should have known. I use semi active tank tho just because I like it. I guess I should do that cookie cutter SPR completely passive set up, just always trying to be different.
As usual, you have the right setup for the job.
AnKahn
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.20 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: AnKahn
Llang,
Should have known. I use semi active tank tho just because I like it. I guess I should do that cookie cutter SPR completely passive set up, just always trying to be different.
As usual, you have the right setup for the job.
AnKahn
It's funny, because I keep a Drake handy just for the case when I get the mission. It's the only mission left where I'd rather take a Drake than a Raven.
-Liang
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.02.20 23:01:00 -
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Nighthawk tanks about the same as a drake, and does 25% more DPS, and has a larger cargo hold.
Faster missions, more ammo.
Golem tanks better than a Raven, and has more cargo, and space for tractors and salvagers at the same time.
*shrug*. IF you mission much, the return on investment (especailly if you don't lose them) is pretty good.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.02.21 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: AnKahn
I would like to hear who can tank that cargo delivery mission after you trigger the NOSing BS. Makes you remember why NOS was nerfed.
Of course the best ship for that one is a shuttle. Or warp out as soon as you get the objective completed message and buy the quafe on the market.
Yea, that's how much of a carebear nerd I am for now.
Use a cap injector in PVE anyway. v0v
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