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Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2008.02.20 14:13:00 - [1] Edited by: Korizan on 20/02/2008 14:14:53 As I had nothing better to do and I was thinking about how fast or slow ships go in EVE I ran some numbers. Lets see the fastest thing out there at the moment is Voyager I ~ 17.4 km/s or 17,400,000 m/s A satelite orbiting the Earth ~ 8.1 km/s or 8,100 m/s And how about 200 mph car ~ 324 km/h or 90 m/s So an Obelisk is so slow i can't even beat a car @ 60 m/s A shuttle will get passed by a Satelite. And well there are only a few classes of ships out there that can even think about catching Voyager I. Not sure this post had any real purpose other then personnal amusement. I didn't bother looking up a trains or even planes for comparison. I will leave that to someone else to care on the comparison.
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.02.20 14:21:00 - [2] Quote: Lets see the fastest thing out there at the moment is Voyager I ~ 17.4 km/s or 17,400,000 m/s 17.4 km/s = 17 MILLION 400 THOUSAND meters per second? Can I have what you're smoking?
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.20 14:28:00 - [3] Originally by: ApaKaka Quote: Lets see the fastest thing out there at the moment is Voyager I ~ 17.4 km/s or 17,400,000 m/s 17.4 km/s = 17 MILLION 400 THOUSAND meters per second? Can I have what you're smoking? Those are some interesting maths right there, indeed. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2008.02.20 14:30:00 - [4] Edited by: Korizan on 20/02/2008 14:36:10 Alright smart A$$'s so I got a bit carried away with the zero's. Corrected I was to busy trying to get the idea of a Ferrari passing a Obelisk on the highway and complaining about it being a Road ummmm town hog
anomalousresult Middleton and Mercer LLP The Omni Federation	Posted - 2008.02.20 14:47:00 - [5] Voyager has been accelerating through gravitational sling shots and stuff too though. I guess the conclusion to be drawn is that the mechanics of the game don't mirror real life. It's hardly surprising when you look at the fact that an obelisk has a top speed at all.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.20 15:57:00 - [6] Also consider the following: The earth's "spin" at ground level on the equator is 500 m/sec A satellite in geostationary orbit is traveling approximately 11 km/sec. Earth orbits the sun at 30 km/sec Speed is EvE is hardly unreasonable when only a handful of the fastest ships can "catch" the earth in its orbit. Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Izumein	Posted - 2008.02.20 20:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Speed is EvE is hardly unreasonable when only a handful of the fastest ships can "catch" the earth in its orbit. Only because even though all EVE ships apparently have unlimited propulsion mass they somehow reach a maximum speed at a certain point regardless of how long they accelerate. My only explanation is whatever part of the universe the EVE gate led too is so clogged up with dust/gas/etc that "space" isn't really a vacuum at all and so the ships are effectively flying in a medium. Which would actually help explain how we can hear in "space".
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.20 20:56:00 - [8] ships in Eve Space performs just like ships in water would Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well boohoo
Ramone E'lrof	Posted - 2008.02.20 21:02:00 - [9] Normal highway driving speed: 100 km/h = 28 m/s If you crash on the highway at 28 m/s you are dead. And all parties in the accident have severely destroyed vehicles. In eve. Your ships accelerate to 9,000 m/s in 6 seconds. In eve. You can crash into a carrier with a machariel and it doesn't break apart
J Ryan Caldari Under Heavy Fire	Posted - 2008.02.20 21:21:00 - [10] From a role playing point of view, it may simply be the designers of the eve craft we're not too fussed about the slower than light performance of their ships, preferring to increase the weapon and armor load out of them. Especially considering thanks to there warp drives they are able to reach speeds in excess of 6,500 times the speed of light. When you can go that fast and you only ever have to go less than 150km with your normal drive it's hardly a high priority for the ship designers is it?

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.20 21:22:00 - [11] Originally by: Izumein Which would actually help explain how we can hear in "space". a pod can synthesize sounds for your listening pleasure squish there goes a pod
Izumein	Posted - 2008.02.20 21:37:00 - [12] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Izumein Which would actually help explain how we can hear in "space". a pod can synthesize sounds for your listening pleasure squish there goes a pod Yeah... I read the Concorde propaganda, but I turned my pod speakers off and still hear those gates.
Vicarrah Minmatar Hand Of The Tahiri Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2008.02.20 22:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Maltitol ships in Eve Space performs just like ships in water would someone with more maths smarts than me once attempted to work out the viscosity of eve-space.... it turned out to be something like a light oil IIRC. Vicarrah Tahiri Matriarch
Druadan Institute of Fungineering	Posted - 2008.02.21 09:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Izumein Which would actually help explain how we can hear in "space". a pod can synthesize sounds for your listening pleasure squish there goes a pod there's a pod, squish, next target.... </noble>
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.21 10:16:00 - [15] Thankfully eve does not represent real life. Otherwise we would be questioning the infinite power source of capacitor as a peptual machine. There are no such infinite power machines in real life other than Gravity, which somehow sucks infinite power from some other dimension, which in turn sucks it from another dimension ad inifitum. -- Billion Isk Mission
Ovno ConSyquence Amarr Free Mercenaries Union	Posted - 2008.02.21 10:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Lord WarATron There are no such infinite power machines in real life other than Gravity, which somehow sucks infinite power from some other dimension, which in turn sucks it from another dimension ad inifitum. No it doesn't.... (Unless your a dr of physics or something and know more than my paltry degree taught me)
Artazzo	Posted - 2008.02.21 11:11:00 - [17] Originally by: Korizan And how about 200 mph car ~ 324 km/h or 90 m/s So an Obelisk is so slow i can't even beat a car @ 60 m/s true, but it takes roughly half a minute to pass it tho :p
Cypher V Minmatar Silent-I.K.Y The Polaris Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.21 16:46:00 - [18] uh, no such thing as friction in space... You shouldn't HAVE a top speed. If you're going to get picky, I'm aware of the whole speed of light thing. possible speed < speed of light. And, how do our ships turn? I see no jets of thruster compound coming from the side of my ship Face it, EVE Space = Jet fighter simulation with fancy planes ---------------------------------------------- Minmatar suck? Shoulda done my research -_-
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.02.21 16:48:00 - [19] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 21/02/2008 16:48:38 Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: ApaKaka Quote: Lets see the fastest thing out there at the moment is Voyager I ~ 17.4 km/s or 17,400,000 m/s 17.4 km/s = 17 MILLION 400 THOUSAND meters per second? Can I have what you're smoking? Those are some interesting maths right there, indeed. That speed is ludicrous Originally by: Cypher V uh, no such thing as friction in space... You shouldn't HAVE a top speed. If you're going to get picky, I'm aware of the whole speed of light thing. possible speed < speed of light. And, how do our ships turn? I see no jets of thruster compound coming from the side of my ship Face it, EVE Space = Jet fighter simulation with fancy planes There is friction just significantly less
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.02.21 16:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Korizan Voyager I ~ 17.4 km/s A satelite orbiting the Earth ~ 8.1 km/s or 8,100 m/s A 200 mph car ~ 324 km/h or 90 m/s So an Obelisk is so slow i can't even beat a car @ 60 m/s A shuttle will get passed by a Satelite. And well there are only a few classes of ships out there that can even think about catching Voyager I. Your conclusions are wrong. Any EVE ship in orbit is as fast as your satellite in orbit. Those stations you see have speed 0 related to you, but they're (theoretically) orbiting their planets quite fast. When the space shuttle wants to dock to the space station it's not approaching it at 8 km/s. It behaves like an Obelisk, actually. And for catching Voyager, use scan probes to find Voyager, and then right-click, warp to 0. It'll take a few seconds.

Raiz N'Hell Gallente Deep Space Ventures Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.21 17:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Cypher V uh, no such thing as friction in space... You shouldn't HAVE a top speed. Not true. This is the same reason we haven't made it to other stars accelerating infinitely. In space, in order to continue accelerating, thrust requirements become exponential. It has to do with the theory of relativity and I don't have the time or energy to explain it all. Bottomline is, there is so little friction in space, that you have nothing to really 'Thrust' against. Like an airplane needs air for lift and fails to lift as the air becomes thinner. You need exponentially more power the faster you wish to travel in space because there is less and less 'space' to push against the faster you travel. There is a top speed in space. Once we conquer this fact, we will be in Alpha Centauri. _________________________________ CEO of DeepSpaceVentures Mining/Industry/PVP/PVE 6-8+ Mil SP Pilots Welcome! Multiple systems to rat and play in.
Praesus Lecti Gallente Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.02.21 19:11:00 - [22] Edited by: Praesus Lecti on 21/02/2008 19:12:13 1. Your speed with respect to the surface of the Earth is under 150 km/h (100 mph), and changes with a certain regularity but also with irregular deviations. 2. The speed at which your location on Earth rotates around the axis of the Earth. The Earth has a diameter of about 12,800 km (7,900 miles) and rotates around its axis once every 23 hours and 56 minutes. At the equator, the Earth rotates at a speed of 1670 km/h or 0.46 km/s (1,040 mph or 0.29 miles per second). Away from the equator, the Earth's rotation speed decreases, and it is zero at the poles. At 51 degrees latitude (north or south, it doesn't matter which), the rotation speed is about 1050 km/h. 3. The speed at which the Earth orbits around the common barycenter with the Moon. The Moon orbits around the Earth at an average distance of 384,400 km in 27.32 days, at a speed of on average 1.0 km/s (3600 km/h). The speed of the Earth around the common barycenter is about 45 km/h 4. The speed at which the Earth and the Moon together orbit around the center of mass of the Solar System (which is almost the same as the center of the Sun). The Earth and Moon orbit around the Sun once every 365.24 days, at an average distance of 1 AU (150 million km) and an average speed of 29.8 km/s or (107,000 km/h). That speed is at each moment in the opposite direction from what it was about 6 months before. The speed varies during a year by about 3 percent (faster in January, slower in July). 5. The speed at which the Sun and the rest of the Solar System move relative to the average of the nearby stars. This speed is at the moment about 20 km/s or 72,000 km/h, but can change in the future because of the gravity of other stars that the Sun may pass on its travels. 6. The speed at which the Solar System and nearby stars move around the center of the Milky Way. The Sun is about 30,000 lightyears from the center of the Milky Way and orbits around that center in about 200 million years, with an average speed of about 230 km/s or 800,000 km/h. The Sun has completed about 23 of those orbits so far. 7. The speed at which our Milky Way moves relative to the center of gravity of the Local Group of galaxies. The Local Group has a diameter of about 3 million lightyears and contains two big galaxies and about 20 smaller ones. The two big galaxies are our own Galaxy and the Andromeda(M 31) at a distance of 2.2 million lightyears. Our Galaxy moves toward the center of the Local Group at a speed of about 40 km/s (144,000 km/h). This speed can change in the future, under the influence of the gravity of mostly the Andromeda Nebula. 8. The speed of the Local Group compared to the cosmic microwave background (CMB). A very small part of the radiation that was generated just after the Big Bang can be detected today in all directions, and looks like the thermal radiation that comes from something at a temperature of 3 kelvin, with most power in the microwave part of the electromagnetic spectrum. This CMB is almost equally strong in all directions, except for a small deviation that is best explained as result of the doppler effect due to the motion of the Sun relative to the CMB. The speed of the Sun relative to the CMB is now 369 km/s or 1,328,000 km/h. From this speed one can estimate the speed of the Local Group relative to the CMB. Some estimate this at about 600 km/s (2,200,000 km/h), but this speed can change in the future under influence of the gravity of the other groups of galaxies that might pass close by the Local Group. The sum of all of these speeds (each in its own direction) yields the speed relative to the CMB, which I think is the best measure for "your speed relative to the Universe". The speed of the Sun relative to the CMB is now 1,328,000 km/h (plus or minus 9000 km/h) in the direction of the constellation of the Cup (just south of the Lion) Neener...neener...neener.
Praesus Lecti Gallente Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.02.21 19:13:00 - [23] Since the forums cut off my post, all that information can be found here.
Adarr Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.21 19:29:00 - [24] Frankly I'm suprised some Minmatar ships don't turn into flying shrapnel when they accelerate
Mavrix Able M0NEY SH0T	Posted - 2008.02.21 19:37:00 - [25] Minmatar is flying schrapnell, flying schrapnell that is taped tighly enoughtogether to hold a pod and a lot of guns. -NWS/Mav
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.02.21 19:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Adarr Frankly I'm suprised some Minmatar ships don't turn into flying shrapnel when they accelerate Why do you think they use so much duct tape? Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.21 20:01:00 - [27] Well, can you imagine what EVE would be like if we did have such realism/newtonian physics? Remember that for every second spent accelerating, another second is going to be spent decellerating... I'm not sure I like the idea of zooming past other ships at 100km/s only to have to spend another 10 minutes turning around, getting speed up again and only hope to catch up with it if I'm significantly faster than it. If I wanted that, I'd play Elite
Ekscalybur Caldari Templar Services Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.21 20:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Cypher V uh, no such thing as friction in space... You shouldn't HAVE a top speed. If you're going to get picky, I'm aware of the whole speed of light thing. possible speed < speed of light. And, how do our ships turn? I see no jets of thruster compound coming from the side of my ship Face it, EVE Space = Jet fighter simulation with fancy planes As far as I can tell, all ships in Eve move through space by some form of thrust, evidenced by the glowy bits at the rear of the ships. Even with zero friction, they will still never, ever go faster than the bits that are being tossed out the rear. To have an infinite top speed, you'd first have to achieve infinite thrust. If Eve ships engines are capable of infinite thrust, (and infinite power in other words), I'd say that having a capacitor is redundant and useless.
Fenren	Posted - 2008.02.21 20:30:00 - [29] Originally by: Raiz N'Hell Originally by: Cypher V uh, no such thing as friction in space... You shouldn't HAVE a top speed. Not true. This is the same reason we haven't made it to other stars accelerating infinitely. In space, in order to continue accelerating, thrust requirements become exponential. It has to do with the theory of relativity and I don't have the time or energy to explain it all. Bottomline is, there is so little friction in space, that you have nothing to really 'Thrust' against. Like an airplane needs air for lift and fails to lift as the air becomes thinner. You need exponentially more power the faster you wish to travel in space because there is less and less 'space' to push against the faster you travel. There is a top speed in space. Once we conquer this fact, we will be in Alpha Centauri. not true. the interval in wich your speed can exist is a half-open interval wich meens THERE IS NO TOP SPEED, althou you can never reach the speed of light. you do not need a powerful engine if you have infinite time to accelerate. a engine that shoots a single atom at the speed relative to you of 10m/s will reach really high speeds in the end.
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.22 03:53:00 - [30] Edited by: Siddy on 22/02/2008 03:59:16 all velocities are relative you might be orbiting the planet and still have relative velocity of 200m/s to that battleship nexst to you. Originally by: Lord WarATron There are no such infinite power machines in real life other than Gravity, which somehow sucks infinite power from some other dimension, which in turn sucks it from another dimension ad inifitum. gravity is not a force as what you can exploit purely as it is. so its not realy a "perpetual source of energy" and thus is more like the bottom of a big, big moat. Once your down, your down.



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