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Rells
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Posted - 2008.02.21 06:38:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 21/02/2008 06:38:51
I remember when the developers of this game had a vision. They pursued the vision and told anyone who didnt like it to suck it up or get out. The vision was based on PvP and balance of the game.
Im sorry to say that is no longer the case. Over the last few major patches decisions have clearly been made based upon whine level on the forums and in half considered matters. There was the famous nano-phoon imbalance that caused a massive imbalance in the game for months despite being profusely reported by testers. There was also the famous ECM nerf; people whines about ECM ships and then CCP whacked it with a stick without any consideration about the wider impact on the game. It took them 4 or 5 months to come out with a fix to ths ships they crippled. The story goes on and on and continues to be messed up.
Now there are developers making changes to the game that no nothing about the game. In fact I would venture to say some of them have never even played the game. The prime example is the interdictor speed nerf. Only someone who has not even played the game could make the asinine statement that nano ships are impossible to catch even with dedicated web or nos ships. Only a person that has never flown an interdictor would come to the stupid conclusion that because the Sabre is the fastest dictor, all of them should be speed nerfed. And only someone with very little experience in the game would categorically remove undocks from the game for the purposes of spreading out people coming out of Jita IV-4.
So why the changes? Quite simply its the loudest whine on these forums -- forums that have, in the past, told people to commit suicide in real life and laughed when someone did. This SEWER is driving the game down the road of WOW. Because the people here lack imagination and skill in PvP it is being dumbed down, patch by patch. To what end I wonder? To catch the WoW crowd? Is it now just another studio with care only of money?
Where is the vision now? There should be a requirement that all devs have to play this game for more than 1000 hours over half a year before being allowed to propose any changes to the game. They should have to participate in PvP and in alliance warfare and 0.0 living before making pathetic changes like nerfing all undocks for a trite reason. They need to do this before the game totally explodes. They also should form a committee of players that have experience in various areas such as tactics, territorial warfare, production and economics to advise the developers just why their sweeping changes are wrong for the game.
Yes, I know I'm about to get flamed but I dont really give a (water retaining structure) anymore. Ive said my piece.
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Rells
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Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.21 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 21/02/2008 07:38:53
 Originally by: Rawr Cristina
And that's why Gallente are now the worst race for Gang PvP 
I admire your efforts, I really do, but I fail to see how this is going to accomplish anything. If they really had a clue, they would have 'balanced' things like MWDs and Webbers a long time ago, rather than nerfing/buffing everything else around them 
It wont. Trust me, Im a realist. But I had to say it.
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: Rells
They also should form a committee of players that have experience in various areas such as tactics, territorial warfare, production and economics to advise the developers just why their sweeping changes are wrong for the game.
I know they said that the were going start a player-comittee of some sort. Don't remember for what purouse tho.
They also said they were going to fix the corp interface. ... 4 years ago.
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Rells
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Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.21 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Rells
...curious stuff about ignoring comments of the players and listening to whine at the same time...
Name one single balance change that doesn't make sense, and you might have a point.
I named several in the original post. Oh and by the way, you "quoted" but actually inserted your own content. Disingenuous revisionist quoting for the win? Try integrity next time when quoting me instead of inserting your own words.
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Rells
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Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.21 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
Originally by: Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Originally by: Avon
Remember what happened to Ultima Online?
Yeah, exactly.
Those were exactly my thoughts. Too bad that CCP doesn't see following UO's footsteps as a mistake. Then again, from a financial pov it probably isn't a mistake to dumb things down so the game becomes more mainstream.
It's your own problem that we don't want mainstream.
There. I've corrected it for you 
But tbh you're absolutely correct.
CCP is a company and it will always go where the money is. If you want to start your own company and develop a niche MMORPG that never gets more than a few thousand subscribers then nothing's stopping you trying.
All you have to do is find a bunch of developers, graphics artists, IT specialists, equipment manufacturers, ISPs and various others who will be happy to be paid in hopes and aspirations rather than hard cash.
Welcome to the real world
I dont buy the notion that you have to conform to the masses dumb down the game and respond only to whiners to make money. If that were the case Eve would never have made it out of Beta. It did and has grown steadily since then but now with devs like Zulupark CLEARLY having NOT EVEN PLAYED the game, it is going down hill. If you have a vision, people will come to that vision. Do we really need another fast-food joint or "easy MMOG"? What happened to vision and creativity? Down the toilet or the sake of copying cookie cutter solutions.
In this post some people are focusing all of their counter energy on this nerf or that, Im not talking about any one of them in specific but the sum of the nerfs and changes. Most specifically Im talking about RADICAL SWEEPING CHANGES being made in the game by pure accident to solve trivial stupid issues like poeple running into each other outside of Jita. Lets just nix the concept of insta-undock so that people dont bunch up outside of jita? You MUST be kidding me!
Yet even this is just yet another example. I can come up with more, such as the Amarr ship changes that after thousands of posts and replies and suggestions, CCP devs (oh its Zulupark again I believe) still think the problem is EM resistance levels and the best change to make is to reduce EM resist and nerf tanks across the board. This is DESPITE THOUSANDS of words of posts saying "its the cap usage stupid".
The list goes on and on and yet the things that get focused on are the whines.
The interesting thing is how these same whiners attack this post as "whining about the whiners." Nice self-supporting logic there. But then I did expect flames so *shrug*.
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Rells
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.21 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: El Sombrero
Edited by: El Sombrero on 21/02/2008 22:08:27
Originally by: Gemini Zero
Rells whines
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Are you sure you don't want to rethink your stance on public whine? You sure are doing pretty well so far...
Wait... I'm confused. Which is it
"Gemini Zero
Dirty Sexy Pilots"
or
Linkage
He is ex agony with a publicly professedd desire to destroy AGONY. Wont work but I suppose everyone needs a hobby. Still celebrating over a gank of my interceptor while I was AFK in high sec no doubt. 
The post isnt even about those specific changes anyway. Its about CCP doing things cluelessly. If they talk long and hard about it and decide to nerf insta-undocks, just as an example, and then blog about it and do it, that is one thing. To accidentally break them to keep people rom bouncing off each other in Jita is just catastrophically misinformed and arbitrary. The nano changes that created the nanophoon are a good example. Despite the repeated warnings by test users of 11k/s battleships, CCP put it in anyway. And now we have Zulupark whom I doubt even played Eve very much before nerfing it and appling clueless "fixes".
Oh ya and Im beyond caring about the flaming. Go ahead and flame, it will just bump the thread. 
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Rells
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.21 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Travers
What I think is funny about this whole post is that it seems all the downhill changes to the game were from whiners. Now the ironic part. Almost all the postings (whines) that got game changes were from the PVP community as most of the board posters are PVPers and they clame itĘs the carebears ruining the game for PVPers when it is actually themselves doing it ROFL.
No, you simply arent understanding. That there are issues in the game... yes. That these issues need to be fixed ... yes. That they should be fixed with kneejerk reactions based upon percieved opinions of the forum posters .... NO. I gave two examples before of poor process. Both of them driven by the whine and both the WRONG solution to the issue at hand and both of them with almost NO CONSIDERATION of their impact on the wider game
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