More Words.

I can understand CCP wanting to allow meta-gaming in eve to keep things "real" and interesting for adults playing the game.

Honestly though, after joining the amarrian militia you have to wonder if it's not just a game breaker.

You cannot get info because most of them dont even read the militia window anymore.
Many of them are in corps - this is true and they have their own chat channels.
However, looking at the militia window currently just after DT, there are plenty of people there.

I and a couple of other new people to FW couldn't get any information on antyhing.

Spies have run rampant to such an extent that the entire process of gainging new players to play FW seems to have completely broken down.

Intel doesn't really happen in the channel, no intel for some means we can't really fly the ships we'd like to.
No fleets because spies could too easily get into them means we can't even orchestrate a decent gank.

I can understand the many people who are happy to play FW right now and have already got into these closed groups, however for many of us who are high SP and just want to pewpew something without the hassle or needing a break from joining corps/alliances - it's a time waster to try and PVP without intel or collaboration.

CCP - this needs fixing desperately or just remove it. The necessary collaboration in low-sec as opposed to incursions in high-sec is completely different, and requires trust which cannot occur in your game - by your own design.

Have you considered any tools or ideas to help this along?
Or is it just going to continue to be another one of your half-baked ideas?

What a stupid answer, no offense.

Which is it the intel channel or the fleet these corps spend heaps of isk on ?

Really

I'm just pointing out an obvious flaw in the master plan.

I have already said it is a given that my perspective is going to be different from the melodrama queens who will obviously troll this thread because they have been doing FW for a longass time.

However, your opinion is about as valid as a 6 year old player commenting on the new player experience - I wouldn't know.

Same, your opinion isn't valid as a new player trying to get into FW and coming up against the harsh wall of silence when it comes to intel/fleets/TS.

If you can't understand what I'm saying, go to the next thread in the forum.
It's not some personal attack on corps doing what corps must do to survive.

It's an obvious flaw in the system that I'm pointing out and wondering if CCP in their rewrite/revisit of FW in the near future might do something about. If no inconsistencies are ever brought to light, then nothing will ever get fixed.

harsh wall of silence

To the OP - there's all kinds of **** that is ******** about Faction Warfare. That's why I've spent more time recently trying to get it patched up than I have actually participating in the fighting myself.

As to the spai paranoia - that unfortunately is NOT something CCP can do anything about besides leaving out any plans to inject unnecessary drama into FW by implementing aliance-style leadership or shared resources.

The only solution to the spai paranoid is for militia corps to not use spais.

Spais cause recruting blocks that keep folks like yourself from having fun, and spais cause fleets to dock up for safety reasons when they know they'll lose.

Spais ruin FW. The responsibility to clean that **** up so that we can get back to fun fights with more pilots lies with those of us that are veterans of the scene.

If you know someone personally who's using spais in the opposing militia, let them know that it hurts the community, and leads to less fighting.

Peer pressure it out of FW, leave that stuff to the 0.0 alliances. We can only police ourselves if we want to get more pilots involved and have more battles all around. There's good drama that surrounds the battles and the smack tak, and there's bad drama that causes unnecessary trust issues that lead to corporations doing their own thing instead of reaching out to each other.

Spai issue aside, there's a whole lot of work CCP can do in terms of reward / consequence, please stop by my campaign thread if you'd like to read more about what I've been up to. I've already been working closely with the existing CSM on Faction Warfare issues, and they are also a huge part of my platform for my CSM7.

My hair is infallible.

Yikes. What is warfare without spying? Please don't push for that. Instead, please push for more inventive ways of sifting out spies. I'm sure it's possible. A rank system is a good start. I know there's one built in already, but having special comms for higher ranking FW pilots would at least be a start even if it isn't infallible. On that note, nothing should be infallible.

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FWs "peak" was 2010. Since then there's been a slow degradation of participation and kills. While the core concept is a good idea the execution was terrible and continues to be flawed. I would love to see it improved, but until then it will continue it's slow slide.

That's if he gets elected. He's already not popular with the 'big' candidates, they are trying to get more 'like minded' people elected to phase Hans out.

We need to all actually vote for the CSM (gasp!) so he has a chance of winning.

But seriously though... i've found the whole spy thing annoying and joined a null sec alliance.... there's that option for you too.

Wonder if there's any money in being a double agent? :P

going solo and passing intel on both sides... could be fun XD

But seriously though... i've found the whole spy thing annoying and joined a null sec alliance.... there's that option for you too.

If null-sec pvp is like fighting as a storm trooper, then small-gang pvp is like fighting like an Ewok.
When I was in null-sec, a lot of my fleet 'thought' was about conformity. Did I have the proper fit the FC needed at that time? (Along with the 200 pilots in the same ship?) Was I in the right place? Was I near enough to the titan so I could bridge at the appropriate time? Am I doing my best to switch targets when the FC calls it? (Oh how I remember the lag!)

In small gang, low-sec pvp, and Faction War, there is the complete opposite mentality to this group-think. You need...and are expected to have a keen sense of personal creativity. With this creativity comes a lot of freedom to just play.

But seriously though... i've found the whole spy thing annoying and joined a null sec alliance.... there's that option for you too.

Right. Because nullsec doesn't have spies. Seriously though, people make a bigger deal out of the spies meme than it needs to be. FW doesn't allow for sov and there isn't alot to be gained from spying other than passing off intel about enemy movements. And that's already gained by seeding pilots at various choke points in lowsec and reporting back in exclusive channels .

I would suggest posting Han's thread in militia channels as a way to rally votes. As well as telling corp CEOs to promote him as well

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If you can't understand what I'm saying, go to the next thread in the forum.
It's not some personal attack on corps doing what corps must do to survive.

My point was .... the whole paranoia around spies in FW... not the spies themselves. If you got paranoia to the point that you won't trust your fellow militia-men, that basically limits the capacity of the militia in general.

Naturally.. Null sec has a lot of spies...

Joined FW about a week ago, and it literally only took me ten minutes to figure out something that the OP couldn't figure out: You gotta be in a dedicated militia corp to access the TS and all the other goodies. Since then I've had nothing but small gang warfare and goodfites. If you want to stay in the 24th IC and then baaaw that you're in the 24th IC then you're doing it wrong.

CCP, I don't like the fact that the default corp you made for FW doesn't run on it's own like a well oiled machine. FW is broken. Delete it. Baaaw baaaw baaaw.

Joined FW about a week ago, and it literally only took me ten minutes to figure out something that the OP couldn't figure out: You gotta be in a dedicated militia corp to access the TS and all the other goodies. Since then I've had nothing but small gang warfare and goodfites. If you want to stay in the 24th IC and then baaaw that you're in the 24th IC then you're doing it wrong.

CCP, I don't like the fact that the default corp you made for FW doesn't run on it's own like a well oiled machine. FW is broken. Delete it. Baaaw baaaw baaaw.

Consider the Amarrian FW corp, Imperial Outlaws, and their campaign on TEST. Ilaw is a small 30 man corp waging small gang warfare on a major nullsec alliance with thousands of members. Their campaign in Otosela has netted them 500+ kills and 40+ losses. Not bad for a bunch of supposed noob pilots. It just goes to show what creative and cohesive combat unit can accomplish unlike those who suffer the typical lemming and group think mindset. Damn those Amarrian Ewoks :)