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Balcanis
Shockwave Innovations
Stellar Economy Experts
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Posted - 2012.02.17 14:53:00 -
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What do you think would be the best way to use pack of 5 EC-300 drones when you get jumped by a gang of few people - focused fire or not? |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
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Posted - 2012.02.17 15:33:00 -
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When caught at a gate camp:-
a) Approach Gate
b) Warp Away
c) Fight
d) Die
Do whatever helps you do whichever one you choose to do... simple
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JVLP
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2012.02.17 15:37:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:When caught at a gate camp:-
a) Approach Gate
b) Warp Away
c) Fight
d) Die
Do whatever helps you do whichever one you choose to do... simple
e) Plead for your survival in local. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.02.17 16:30:00 -
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First off, i don't think that you'll be able to jump through the gate if you use drones on people, it should give you aggression. I haven't tested it, but I think it will.
Second, jam the tacklers (or the DPSers if you're trying to stand and fight). If you're trying to run, then you want to jam the people who are pointing you. |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.17 16:48:00 -
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mxzf wrote:First off, i don't think that you'll be able to jump through the gate if you use drones on people, it should give you aggression. I haven't tested it, but I think it will.
I have - way back in the day when I was more foolish and ignorant than I am now (I'm still foolish and ignorant, but in new and interesting ways) so I can confirm that if you use ECM drones on people, you do gain aggro and cannot jump back through the gate.
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mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.02.17 17:03:00 -
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Cyniac wrote:mxzf wrote:First off, i don't think that you'll be able to jump through the gate if you use drones on people, it should give you aggression. I haven't tested it, but I think it will. I have - way back in the day when I was more foolish and ignorant than I am now (I'm still foolish and ignorant, but in new and interesting ways) so I can confirm that if you use ECM drones on people, you do gain aggro and cannot jump back through the gate.
Thanks, now I don't have to test it myself, lol  |
Balcanis
Shockwave Innovations
Stellar Economy Experts
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Posted - 2012.02.17 18:26:00 -
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Lol
Guys, I never said anything about jumping the gate, and I certainly have no intent of dying. I just had a simple question if it's better tactic to use the EC drones with focused fire or no.
When there is only one tackler, it's obvious that it doesn't really matter, but what about when there are more than one tackler?
Thanks |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.02.17 18:29:00 -
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Well, if there are multiple tacklers and you're only jamming one of them, then you're not getting away ever. So you clearly will want to distribute them between tacklers (preferably relative to the tackler's sensor strength). |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:15:00 -
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Pick the weakest target and engage him while you send your entire pack of drones after your biggest threat... Take too much work to split a flight of drones anyway... |
Jodie Amille
Rape of Virtue
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:15:00 -
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Unless you get ridiculously lucky I don't think it will matter |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:33:00 -
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Balcanis wrote:What do you think would be the best way to use pack of 5 EC-300 drones when you get jumped by a gang of few people - focused fire or not?
Keep your drones hot in the bay and don't hit an elephant, aproach the gate and jump. OC before you just smack them stupidity before jumping 
If they're 2 you can always play the game and fight back, sometimes you have great fun but this is eve, expect half dozen jumping because they want to be in the km. Eve it's about skill, not farming km's right? |
mecubed
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2012.02.17 23:00:00 -
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Haul back to gate, let as many of them agress as possible and jump through..You would be surprised how many people fall for it. |
mecubed
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2012.02.17 23:01:00 -
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About the drones, dont expect them to save from from a group of people, if there is 1 or 2, then maybe.. If your just pointed by 1 person use them and warp out. |
Ahrieman
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.02.18 02:00:00 -
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OP, your question lacks details as to your situation and what your objective is. This makes it difficult to respond. If you get jumped on a gate, your best course of action is almost always to burn back to gate (AND DON'T LAUNCH YOUR DRONES!). If you are unsure of how best to do this, just ask.
Once you get back to gate, hopefully, you have taken aggro from people so they can't jump through with you. Jump back through, align to a celestial, and warp. If someone points you on this side of the gate before you can warp, stay aligned and burn. Launch your ECM drones and put them on any tackler that you can't pull range from. Also shoot at tacklers trying to keep you pointed. Warp away and bounce the celestial.
I scam on my main |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.18 14:36:00 -
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Balcanis wrote:Lol
Guys, I never said anything about jumping the gate, and I certainly have no intent of dying. I just had a simple question if it's better tactic to use the EC drones with focused fire or no.
When there is only one tackler, it's obvious that it doesn't really matter, but what about when there are more than one tackler?
Thanks
More then one tackler? You're not getting away so put them on top dpser and fight like a man! |
Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints
Assassin Confederacy
35
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Posted - 2012.02.19 06:30:00 -
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Balcanis wrote:Lol
Guys, I never said anything about jumping the gate, and I certainly have no intent of dying. I just had a simple question if it's better tactic to use the EC drones with focused fire or no.
When there is only one tackler, it's obvious that it doesn't really matter, but what about when there are more than one tackler?
Thanks
This only applies to the stand and fight aproach:
Divide your drones when you can.
Why?
Higher average ecm being done.
Each drone after the first ECM has a slightly less chance then the one before it since it may get a jam during the time another drone has the jam going. That is lost interupt.
If you are trying to run use ecm on the guys pointing you which I"m sure you already know how to do.
Make sure to focus on the guys with scramblers if your trying to kick on a mwd.
If you have a lot more points then webbers you might want to jam the webbers and get range from a few guys before switching to the jammers who can keep up with your speed. |
Jamaican Herbsman
I Love You Mary Jane
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
23
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Posted - 2012.02.19 14:47:00 -
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mecubed wrote:About the drones, dont expect them to save from from a group of people *snip*
This. I just had a 5 minute fight against an ubertanked maller and I didn't get even a single jam against him with my ec-300's. So you'd have to be super lucky to land jams simultaneously on 2 tacklers, should you choose to separate your drones on 2 different targets |
Banechild
The New Knighthood
3
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Posted - 2012.02.19 15:41:00 -
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5x light ecm drones equal one unbonused multispectral ecm modules meaning you can jam one target and that's it.
while sometimes feasible with ships like ishkur on 2 on 1 fights, your chances are slim if you get caught by more then one tackler and you have to leave your drones behind anyway.
Usually it's better to have dual prop and run for your life then trying to rely on ECM drones which in general miss 1/2 half the attempts (though you can spam the attack until they do jam the target). |
Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2012.02.19 15:45:00 -
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Banechild wrote:5x light ecm drones equal one unbonused multispectral
You might want to recheck your numbers.
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Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints
Assassin Confederacy
36
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Posted - 2012.02.19 17:49:00 -
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Banechild wrote:5x light ecm drones equal one unbonused multispectral ecm modules meaning you can jam one target and that's it.
while sometimes feasible with ships like ishkur on 2 on 1 fights, your chances are slim if you get caught by more then one tackler and you have to leave your drones behind anyway.
Usually it's better to have dual prop and run for your life then trying to rely on ECM drones which in general miss 1/2 half the attempts (though you can spam the attack until they do jam the target).
5 light ecm get 5 jam streangth but need 5 different targets in order to have them opperate at a full 5 since they reduce eachother total chance as they stack due to over lap.
One ecm multispectral T2 gets 3 jam streangth.
In short your statement is false. |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
298
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Posted - 2012.02.19 18:02:00 -
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what the heck?
5 drones dont equal 5 jam strength, they equal 5 attempts at 1 jam strength.
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Banechild
The New Knighthood
3
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Posted - 2012.02.19 20:01:00 -
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e-war drones have a stacking penalties on them hence 5x drones on one target are best solution.
So 5x light ecm equal 5x separate, strength 1 multi spectral- jammers, mediums 1.5 and heavy is 2.5 and obviously you need only one to get a jam making sense to have all 5 on one target as you might imagine.
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Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints
Assassin Confederacy
37
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Posted - 2012.02.19 22:25:00 -
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T2 multi spectrum ecms have 3 jamming streangth.
5 Light ECM drones have 1 jamming streangth each.
Drones do not have 5 jamming potential when all are trying to jam same ship.
5 to 3 is 1.66 to 1. Meaning if all 5 drones are on different targets that have same sensor streangth as the one ship the multi spec ecm is on that the odds of one jam happening are 66% more likely for the drones. This percentage drops based on how many drones are on one target and what the sensor streanght of the target is.
5 light ECM drones get 60% jam chance on a 5 sensor streangth target. Same chance as one T2 multi spectrum ecm.
(( Drones lost 40% of the max jamming potential on this size ship due to stacking))
5 light ECM drones get ((roughly)) 14.4% chance on a 30 sensor streangth target. T2 Multi sectrum ecm gets 10%.
(( Drones lost 2.2% of the max jamming potential on this size ship due to stacking))
With the multi spectrum having the ablilty to overheat you can see how on small single targets it can out preform light ecm drones by 20% not including any flight time.
On larger targets the multi spectrum is far weaker then 5 Light ECM drones even if you include the over heating. 44.4% increase on a RS without flight time and overheating being accounted for. With over heating and flight time it's roughly 20%.
Conclusion is spread your drones out a bit when you can. (( Especially on smaller targets! ))
Drones are better v.s. larger targets then single T2 multi spectrum ecm. |
Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction
Happy Endings
72
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Posted - 2012.02.19 23:59:00 -
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If you get jumped by a gang of multiple people you'll have multiple points on you and unless you're the luckiest SOB in EvE that day you won't jam all them simultaneously.
Now, not all is lost, but ECM drones are the last line of defense in a pve ship. Ideally, you should see them coming in in local and on your directional scanner, and you should be out before the first tackler even shows up.
But, if you do get caught, the key is to remember that at first it'll just be one guy. You'll have about 30-45 seconds (most of the time) to GTFO before his buddies land and you're hosed. You won't kill any competent tackler in that amount of time, but if you put your hornets on him, align out, and spam the warp button like your ass is on fire the odds are better than not that you'll get a jam cycle off and warp out, especially if he's in something small, like an interceptor, and you haven't completely gimped your lock time by flying a cloak/stabbed battleship or the like.
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Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
Villore Accords
150
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Posted - 2012.02.20 01:17:00 -
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Offence Ewar>logi>DPS
Defence tackle>DPS>Ewar>logi
Defence is not all there for, but you can't relay on them for offence because of the heavy chance based nature of light ecm drones. Instead try to use them to gain leverage and explode it.
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Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2012.02.20 06:35:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:5 light ecm get 5 jam streangth but need 5 different targets in order to have them opperate at a full 5 since they reduce eachother total chance as they stack due to over lap.
One ecm multispectral T2 gets 3 jam streangth.
In short your statement is mostly false. I say mostly since if your target has exactly 5 sensor streangth and you are using all drones on same target they do have the exact same jam chance as a T2 Multispectral (60%).
There's no diminishing returns, they all have their own 1/(target SS) chance. The last bit in your post doesn't make much sense at all.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.02.20 10:40:00 -
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Bear in mind also that burning back to gate and sticking ECM drones on someone will land you with a combat aggression timer, so you won't be able to jump even assuming you reach the gate..... |
Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints
Assassin Confederacy
37
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Posted - 2012.02.20 17:50:00 -
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Liam Mirren wrote:Ireland VonVicious wrote:5 light ecm get 5 jam streangth but need 5 different targets in order to have them opperate at a full 5 since they reduce eachother total chance as they stack due to over lap.
One ecm multispectral T2 gets 3 jam streangth.
In short your statement is mostly false. I say mostly since if your target has exactly 5 sensor streangth and you are using all drones on same target they do have the exact same jam chance as a T2 Multispectral (60%). There's no diminishing returns, they all have their own 1/(target SS) chance. The last bit in your post doesn't make much sense at all.
Your missing that every so many times they pull off that same 1(target SS) chance at the same time.
Two jams at the same time is no better then landing one jam. This is where the waste or dimminishing return comes into factor.
Simple example:
Two 50% chances does not = 100% chance since half of the second 50% is over lapping with the first.
Two 50% chances = 75% chance.
Flipping a quarter twice you have a 25% chance to not land on tails at all. |
F'lix
Shaytan Combine
50
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Posted - 2012.02.20 19:37:00 -
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Hey Balc,
Assuming you A) Don't want to die and B) Wish to escape to a safe or celestial and C) You don't have much in the way of fire-power, I'd say spread the drones to two targets and pray. Spreading between 3+ targets has a very low chance of complete success.
Assuming you're rolling with Shockwave's usual band... One flight of drones per target, shoot those excluded in the drone spread. But I suppose this is strictly for solo-scenarios!
Hope things are well,
F'lix |
Pulgy
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
45
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Posted - 2012.02.20 23:56:00 -
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Balcanis wrote:What do you think would be the best way to use pack of 5 EC-300 drones when you get jumped by a gang of few people - focused fire or not?
Doesn't matter. When you use them they never work, when someone else uses them on you they're overpowered.
Monkeys writing-á Shakespeare?
That's like putting CCP in charge of game balance and content updates. |
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