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Praetorian I
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Posted - 2009.03.01 06:33:00 -
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Just confirming, have received monthly from harvest since ...
Originally by: Praetorian I Edited by: Praetorian I on 08/08/2008 04:29:42
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100mil isk sent. Please confirm.
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Kytanos Termek
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kytanos Termek on 01/03/2009 07:22:34 Edited by: Kytanos Termek on 01/03/2009 07:21:16 a recent con artist in real life was finally caught after many decades of taking clients money. then paying them back each year with 6% for 14 years. He was always consistent on payments and had a decent personality. This helped ease old clients and create new ones. He didn't do anything with the money. he just took it. He spent some of it. but the constant flow of new clients insured that he was always abel to pay the dividends.
I applaud you for adapting lessons from real life. What works their with real money and real people can work here. You are one slick dude. :-)
ill search for the news article. I got it somewhere.
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Kytanos Termek
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 07:26:00 -
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Edited by: Kytanos Termek on 01/03/2009 07:29:22 business soon became one of the largest in the world, offering clients the opportunity to trade on stock and bond markets cheaply and at high speed. Brokerage, however, was a highly competitive business and Madoff began looking enviously at the much higher profits to be made from actually managing other peopleÆs money. So he set up a separate investment firm, one floor below his brokerage business in one of ManhattanÆs smartest office buildings. He surrounded himself with a small team and set about wooing investors.
His promise was to return 12-13 per cent a year to investors in good times or bad. The only condition was that no one ask how he did it. Sure enough, for many years, those 12-13 per cent returns kept rolling in. Madoff quickly earned a name for himself. People were desperate to give their money to him. They started joining those golf clubs in Florida and New York where he was a member, purely to get to know him. He fostered an air of exclusivity, targeting only the very wealthy. He turned people away from his investment schemes and offered æinvitation onlyÆ policies.
Barbara Fox, president of a Manhattan estate agency, told the New York Times she æliterally begged himÆ to take her on, but he refused. Madoff insisted that the minimum investment was $1million, and even then he still refused to accept business. The tactic served only to make people more eager to give him their money. So reliable did a Madoff investment seem, among retreats such as the Palm Beach Country Club and the Old Oaks in Purchase, New York, that it became known as the æJewish bondÆ, returning money as dependably as a government bond.
Before long he had netted some of the most sophisticated money-men in New York û owners of baseball teams, clothing magnates, the chairman of General MotorsÆ financing arm. And he used these gold-plated names to encourage more investors into his stable. Madoff further bolstered his reputation by becoming a cornerstone of New YorkÆs financial community. He was chairman of the Nasdaq hi-tech electronic stock exchange, a trustee of Yeshiva University. At the beginning of this year, Madoff was managing $17billion on behalf of individuals, hedge funds, pension funds and charities.
He would have made some $700million a year in revenue for his company. Each year, his investors would receive statements informing them how much their money had grown. Some of them would take the income in cash. Others would reinvest it with Madoff. There was never a problem getting your money out of a Madoff fund. Until this year. It was the credit crisis which undid Madoff, as it has so many of the financial charlatans who thrived in recent years. For all this time, while he had been posing as a brilliant financial savant, he was simply not good enough to make the returns he claimed to make.
Yet he was too greedy and too proud to admit it. But this year investors started asking for their money back as the markets crashed, and new investors were impossible to find. For months, his employees said he appeared to be under extreme stress. And at the beginning of this month he cracked. According to the FBI, he summoned his two sons Andrew and Mark, who worked for the firm, and told them clients were trying to pull $7billion out of his funds. And he didnÆt have it. On December 9, he told them that his investment business was æfinishedÆ, that he had æabsolutely nothingÆ, that æitÆs all just one big lieÆ. He said it had been insolvent for years.
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Kytanos Termek
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kytanos Termek on 01/03/2009 07:31:28 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1094938/PHILIP-DELVES-BROUGHTON-The-conman-duped-world.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff
Ok. Game, Set, and match.
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Kytanos Termek
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kytanos Termek on 01/03/2009 07:41:56 TLDR Version: Con artist takes money. Promises growth. Is consistent on payments. Uses both the low value of payments and length of scam to act as concealment. Gives select clients growth so they may "vouch" for him. Act's all happy and lovable.
What really sets me off is how if you ask for withdrawal. Is he said right their he wont give it all back (just 75% or 90%). For "costs of plan delays" that sounds like financial babble to me. In real life that can happen. moving money is harder than you think. You gotta call banks, Do all this ****. Especially when large amounts are concerned. But all he has to do is find your name. Enter the amount you gave him minus whatever percentage is already handed out and give it back.
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Kytanos Termek
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 07:44:00 -
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I ask you now people of new Eden. Please do not fall for the same scam so many fell for from Mr. Madoff.
Fool me once, Shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.03.01 08:24:00 -
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Some of we few have noticed this ponzi scheme already and have neglected to invest. Others have tried to draw attention to it, but it hasn't worked so far... so whatever. I doubt people will pay attention now.
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Kytanos Termek
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 08:27:00 -
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It may actually be true. But I doubt it. *Shrug* It's almost over anyways. If he can pull this many people on a string. Then he deserves all the isk. And they dont for falling for it. I have nothing against scammers. They are a valuable part of eve, They add to it's depth and realism. Right next to the pirates, Spies, And vicious 0.0 pvper's *shout out to my corp*.
"There is no better armor against logic than ignorance and stupidity"
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2009.03.02 01:43:00 -
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Fables and fairy tales are good read. No wealth flows that is not wish. Demonstrate thought then advance to inculpate.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Kytanos Termek
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.02 07:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kytanos Termek on 02/03/2009 07:22:59
Originally by: DragonRiderTao Fables and fairy tales are good read. No wealth flows that is not wish. Demonstrate thought then advance to inculpate.
Though Scammer or legitimate dealer. I do give you style points for the whole Chinese metaphor thing and keeping with it. While always making it relevant. It is very unique and interesting *hand's dragon a cookie for a good read*
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Isk Ho
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.02 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kytanos Termek *hand's dragon a cookie for a good read*
a fortune cookie?
Your signature is too large - Mitnal
Last night a mod ate my sig, last night a mod ate my sig - Mitnal broke my heart :( |
DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2009.03.04 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kytanos Termek Edited by: Kytanos Termek on 02/03/2009 07:22:59
Originally by: DragonRiderTao Fables and fairy tales are good read. No wealth flows that is not wish. Demonstrate thought then advance to inculpate.
Though Scammer or legitimate dealer. I do give you style points for the whole Chinese metaphor thing and keeping with it. While always making it relevant. It is very unique and interesting *hand's dragon a cookie for a good read*
I can talk with you in plain English if you wish. Spreading lies does not damage my reputation when those that invested have received steady growth regularly.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.03.04 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Originally by: Kytanos Termek Edited by: Kytanos Termek on 02/03/2009 07:22:59
Originally by: DragonRiderTao Fables and fairy tales are good read. No wealth flows that is not wish. Demonstrate thought then advance to inculpate.
Though Scammer or legitimate dealer. I do give you style points for the whole Chinese metaphor thing and keeping with it. While always making it relevant. It is very unique and interesting *hand's dragon a cookie for a good read*
I can talk with you in plain English if you wish. Spreading lies does not damage my reputation when those that invested have received steady growth regularly.
BURN Kytanos, BURN!!
To be fair, there really is no proof DragonRiderTao's scheme is a pyramid fraud. Frankly, I applaud his freshness and elan in attempting this.
Yes, my name is Pompous. Yes, this has been designed for maximum deliberate effect. Sweet disclaimer eh |
Axel Vindislaga
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Posted - 2009.03.04 05:50:00 -
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BURP! Pathetic.. utterly pathetic. I doubled my investors money in less than 2 months. One guy invests 30M and got 60M another 20M and get 40M .. And I still made PLENTY for me and my corp.. I would ask for investors but wouldn't want to appear like a scammer and thus damage my reputation. This is all irrelevant now because I have decided to dump Eve online. My current investors will be payed their double due to them then I am gone...
I just wanted to say. 6% for a month.. Pathetic but keep your chin up slugger.
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Kytanos Termek
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.04 07:52:00 -
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True. Now that I think it over you would have made far more money then just running off at the 6 month mark or something. The human mind is not a infallible machine and I leaped to conclusions. I ****ed up, I am sorry.
p.s. I am a lil sad however that you broke the poem thing. It was so interesting.
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Lo Lightshard
Insurrection Inc Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2009.03.05 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kytanos Termek Edited by: Kytanos Termek on 04/03/2009 08:04:48 Edited by: Kytanos Termek on 04/03/2009 07:58:08 True. Now that I think it over you would have made far more money then just running off at the 6 month mark or something. The human mind is not a infallible machine and I leaped to conclusions. I ****ed up, and in the process dishonored both myself and my corporation, I am deeply sorry for any damages caused, and the insult to your business. I hope this apology suites you.
Kytanos Termek, Darkstorm command.
"the greatest friend of Truth is time, her greatest enemy is Prejudice, and her constant companion Humility." Charles Caleb Colton (1780 - 1832)
War dec?
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Kytanos Termek
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.05 05:52:00 -
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Edited by: Kytanos Termek on 05/03/2009 05:52:09 No, I just realized I was not only wrong, but made a ass out of myself.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:53:00 -
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The final time approaches. Growth is sent today.
Investors who need their wealth early may decide to get 101% of their investment. The growth will be added.
The air fills the ground. The roots take hold.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:04:00 -
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Those wishing for more entertainment may like to see an API key.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Leech Those wishing for more entertainment may like to see an API key.
Those will have to resort to Youtube.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
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Lilkal
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:32:00 -
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Confirming that I received all monthly payments and an early payback at 102%.
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Fastred Bloodworth
Eve University
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Posted - 2009.03.27 01:42:00 -
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I too have gotten every expected payment. DragonRiderTao did not disappoint.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2009.03.27 23:26:00 -
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Reap your sizable growth April 30 when experience halts.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Karanth
Gallente Independent Fleet Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.03.28 11:18:00 -
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Will be investing again next time.
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Sorry, no. You have to go into wormholes and get farmed by the new AI NPCs like everyone else...
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Entaran
Caldari Outland Research and Development Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.03.30 01:06:00 -
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I will also invest again next time, to a much higher tune.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2009.03.30 02:05:00 -
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Edited by: DragonRiderTao on 30/03/2009 02:06:54
Bring persuasion for the next encounter. Wealth will proliferate. Billfold regeneration shall recur.
In summer rains growth will be with abundance. Discuss your predilection.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Catterik
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Posted - 2009.04.01 23:55:00 -
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Honestly didn't think I'd see any growth on my measly investment. But lo-and-behold, the dividend was payed out as promised. Knock him all you want, but I've been following DragonRiderTao's posts for a while and have yet to see any complaints of non-payment.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2009.04.03 00:51:00 -
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A new plan will appear when the moon reveals loaded. Deities appeased. Investors may give their sentiment for this plan.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Jerako
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.21 02:26:00 -
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Confirming all dividends paid as promised. On the condition that final payment is received at the end of the month as expected, I will definitely reinvest.
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Praetorian I
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Posted - 2009.05.01 05:38:00 -
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Confirming, principal investment returned + final 8%. From start to end, consistent, complete, clean. Thanks DRT! May your family prosper for 10000 generations.
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