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Mehos Spun	Posted - 2008.02.23 12:40:00 - [1] Edited by: Mehos Spun on 23/02/2008 12:44:59 Edited by: Mehos Spun on 23/02/2008 12:41:18 I ask myselve if there is a game with more people in a battelfield playing than eve? (assuming 1 Grid is on Battelfield)
Mehos Spun	Posted - 2008.02.23 12:40:00 - [2] Edited by: Mehos Spun on 23/02/2008 12:41:58 (Sorry got troubles with the keyboard)
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.02.23 12:40:00 - [3] What?
Estel Arador Minmatar Damage over Time Angels Of Discord	Posted - 2008.02.23 12:58:00 - [4] Why?
Amuko Amarr Disturbed Amarrians	Posted - 2008.02.23 12:58:00 - [5] Short answer: No. Long Answer: No, so everyone should stop *****ing because their 200vs200 battles lag, take any other MMO, for this example I'll use WOW (yes wow, I like that game and it's a good example, hush), back when there weren't battlegrounds (instanced pvps), the only kind of pvp was 'world' pvp, there were a few places that'd get raided daily, but as soon as the amount of people rose above 100 It'd start going slower. 200+ and it'd get pretty unplayable for most people. Same with EVE, it's just not possible, yet.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:52:00 - [6] lol wut
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Kyra Felann lol wut guess you have a reading impediment
Wylker Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:24:00 - [8] Originally by: Amuko Short answer: No. Long Answer: No, so everyone should stop ***ing because their 200vs200 battles lag, take any other MMO, for this example I'll use WOW (yes wow, I like that game and it's a good example, hush), back when there weren't battlegrounds (instanced pvps), the only kind of pvp was 'world' pvp, there were a few places that'd get raided daily, but as soon as the amount of people rose above 100 It'd start going slower. 200+ and it'd get pretty unplayable for most people. Same with EVE, it's just not possible, yet. You're a game designer's dream. People * because they pay to play a game that fails to deliver its promise of epic fleet fights. People * because the heart pounding, exciting aspects of the game grind to a halt because of a server that may be as advanced as possible but still doesn't do what we need. Its bull**.
Esilor	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:28:00 - [9] MU Online Castle Siege can take 1600+ people, four alliances with upto 400 people in each go at it, one alliance defends the castle, the other 3 attack, plus randoms can go to the server too but everyone can attack them and theres no real point in them being there as they cannot take the castle without their alliance signing up. Was lag free for me when I played, I was in 13thSign/Defcon and Phalanx alliance
Amuko Amarr Disturbed Amarrians	Posted - 2008.02.23 17:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Wylker Originally by: Amuko Short answer: No. Long Answer: No, so everyone should stop ***ing because their 200vs200 battles lag, take any other MMO, for this example I'll use WOW (yes wow, I like that game and it's a good example, hush), back when there weren't battlegrounds (instanced pvps), the only kind of pvp was 'world' pvp, there were a few places that'd get raided daily, but as soon as the amount of people rose above 100 It'd start going slower. 200+ and it'd get pretty unplayable for most people. Same with EVE, it's just not possible, yet. You're a game designer's dream. People * because they pay to play a game that fails to deliver its promise of epic fleet fights. People * because the heart pounding, exciting aspects of the game grind to a halt because of a server that may be as advanced as possible but still doesn't do what we need. Its bull. Keep on doing huge fleet fights which the servers can't handle and * about it, I'm sure that'll fix the problem. I'm just being realistic here. So what if the server could handle 200 vs 200? Then people will bring the next amount of people required to ** the server up. I don't know why I bother responding to you though, from what I've seen from your posting so far you're just a bad excuse for a troll.
Commander 598 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.23 17:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Amuko Originally by: Wylker Originally by: Amuko Short answer: No. Long Answer: No, so everyone should stop ***ing because their 200vs200 battles lag, take any other MMO, for this example I'll use WOW (yes wow, I like that game and it's a good example, hush), back when there weren't battlegrounds (instanced pvps), the only kind of pvp was 'world' pvp, there were a few places that'd get raided daily, but as soon as the amount of people rose above 100 It'd start going slower. 200+ and it'd get pretty unplayable for most people. Same with EVE, it's just not possible, yet. You're a game designer's dream. People * because they pay to play a game that fails to deliver its promise of epic fleet fights. People * because the heart pounding, exciting aspects of the game grind to a halt because of a server that may be as advanced as possible but still doesn't do what we need. Its bull. Keep on doing huge fleet fights which the servers can't handle and * about it, I'm sure that'll fix the problem. I'm just being realistic here. So what if the server could handle 200 vs 200? Then people will bring the next amount of people required to ** the server up. I don't know why I bother responding to you though, from what I've seen from your posting so far you're just a bad excuse for a troll. Well, you've been proven wrong once so far. I think Planetside had some pretty massive battles too...never played it though. (That's two if I'm right)
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.02.23 18:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Esilor MU Online Castle Siege can take 1600+ people, four alliances with upto 400 people in each go at it, one alliance defends the castle, the other 3 attack, plus randoms can go to the server too but everyone can attack them and theres no real point in them being there as they cannot take the castle without their alliance signing up. Was lag free for me when I played, I was in 13thSign/Defcon and Phalanx alliance MU*... this is one of those text games, amirite?
Commander 598 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.23 18:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Esilor MU Online Castle Siege can take 1600+ people, four alliances with upto 400 people in each go at it, one alliance defends the castle, the other 3 attack, plus randoms can go to the server too but everyone can attack them and theres no real point in them being there as they cannot take the castle without their alliance signing up. Was lag free for me when I played, I was in 13thSign/Defcon and Phalanx alliance MU*... this is one of those text games, amirite? http://www.globalmuonline.com/ Nyet.
Ranger802004 Caldari Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.23 18:55:00 - [14] I read this topic and LOL
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.23 19:09:00 - [15] Not technically a MMO, but Aces High 2 supports over 700 pilots in the air with a WW2 flight simulation. Its pretty wild when you have a couple of hundred various planes in close proximity to you Of course its just like Eve in one respect; you get targetted you die. Not much lag though, HighTec Creations has done a very good job in its programming. But it is strictly a multi-player flight sim; great air-to-air combat but nothing like Eve with its markets and such. Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Grytok moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.02.23 19:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Commander 598 Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Esilor MU Online Castle Siege can take 1600+ people, four alliances with upto 400 people in each go at it, one alliance defends the castle, the other 3 attack, plus randoms can go to the server too but everyone can attack them and theres no real point in them being there as they cannot take the castle without their alliance signing up. Was lag free for me when I played, I was in 13thSign/Defcon and Phalanx alliance MU*... this is one of those text games, amirite? http://www.globalmuonline.com/ Nyet. MU is not Single-Sharded and the big 1000+ Battles are events, for which they scram every little bit of processor-power together. So it can't be compared, as it's not as complex as EvE. There is no other MMO outthere which can handle these numbers actually on a persistent server. .
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.02.23 19:19:00 - [17] Originally by: Mehos Spun Edited by: Mehos Spun on 23/02/2008 12:44:59 Edited by: Mehos Spun on 23/02/2008 12:41:18 I ask myselve if there is a game with more people in a battelfield playing than eve? (assuming 1 Grid is on Battelfield) There isn't a game that allows you to have 300 vs 300 without lag at ANY given spot. Some games might have sort of battlefields that might be able of handling it, but it will be in a specific designated spot. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Wylker Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.02.23 20:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Amuko Keep on doing huge fleet fights which the servers can't handle and *** about it, I'm sure that'll fix the problem. I'm just being realistic here. So what if the server could handle 200 vs 200? Then people will bring the next amount of people required to ** the server up. I don't know why I bother responding to you though, from what I've seen from your posting so far you're just a bad excuse for a troll. Oh I'm sorry, does being called out on your sycophantic whining make you angwy wit wittle ole me? The game fails to deliver on it's promises. You can rationalize it any way that you you want. If they're going to let 25000 people be online on their single shard epic universe, they need to f'in allow us to play the game. It SICKENS me to read quotes like "there was only 4-5 minutes module lag activation, which was nice for a change". THE GAME FAILS TO DELIVER AND NEEDS TO GET FIXED. You can go ahead and keep sucking on the tit though. I can tell you this, if I wasn't buying GTCs with isk, there is not a CHANCE i would pay for a game this broken.
Amuko Amarr Disturbed Amarrians	Posted - 2008.02.23 20:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Wylker Originally by: Amuko Keep on doing huge fleet fights which the servers can't handle and *** about it, I'm sure that'll fix the problem. I'm just being realistic here. So what if the server could handle 200 vs 200? Then people will bring the next amount of people required to ** the server up. I don't know why I bother responding to you though, from what I've seen from your posting so far you're just a bad excuse for a troll. Oh I'm sorry, does being called out on your sycophantic whining make you angwy wit wittle ole me? The game fails to deliver on it's promises. You can rationalize it any way that you you want. If they're going to let 25000 people be online on their single shard epic universe, they need to f'in allow us to play the game. It SICKENS me to read quotes like "there was only 4-5 minutes module lag activation, which was nice for a change". THE GAME FAILS TO DELIVER AND NEEDS TO GET FIXED. You can go ahead and keep sucking on the tit though. I can tell you this, if I wasn't buying GTCs with isk, there is not a CHANCE i would pay for a game this broken. And you call me a whiner and angry .
Valenthra	Posted - 2008.02.23 20:27:00 - [20] Originally by: Wylker Originally by: Amuko Keep on doing huge fleet fights which the servers can't handle and *** about it, I'm sure that'll fix the problem. I'm just being realistic here. So what if the server could handle 200 vs 200? Then people will bring the next amount of people required to ** the server up. I don't know why I bother responding to you though, from what I've seen from your posting so far you're just a bad excuse for a troll. Oh I'm sorry, does being called out on your sycophantic whining make you angwy wit wittle ole me? The game fails to deliver on it's promises. You can rationalize it any way that you you want. If they're going to let 25000 people be online on their single shard epic universe, they need to f'in allow us to play the game. It SICKENS me to read quotes like "there was only 4-5 minutes module lag activation, which was nice for a change". THE GAME FAILS TO DELIVER AND NEEDS TO GET FIXED. You can go ahead and keep sucking on the tit though. I can tell you this, if I wasn't buying GTCs with isk, there is not a CHANCE i would pay for a game this broken. You. Are. An. Idiot. Go ahead design the game and build a super server able to do this. You will be praised all over the world matey :)
Wylker Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.02.23 20:29:00 - [21] Edited by: Wylker on 23/02/2008 20:29:08 Originally by: Valenthra Originally by: Wylker Originally by: Amuko Keep on doing huge fleet fights which the servers can't handle and *** about it, I'm sure that'll fix the problem. I'm just being realistic here. So what if the server could handle 200 vs 200? Then people will bring the next amount of people required to ** the server up. I don't know why I bother responding to you though, from what I've seen from your posting so far you're just a bad excuse for a troll. Oh I'm sorry, does being called out on your sycophantic whining make you angwy wit wittle ole me? The game fails to deliver on it's promises. You can rationalize it any way that you you want. If they're going to let 25000 people be online on their single shard epic universe, they need to f'in allow us to play the game. It SICKENS me to read quotes like "there was only 4-5 minutes module lag activation, which was nice for a change". THE GAME FAILS TO DELIVER AND NEEDS TO GET FIXED. You can go ahead and keep sucking on the tit though. I can tell you this, if I wasn't buying GTCs with isk, there is not a CHANCE i would pay for a game this broken. You. Are. An. Idiot. Go ahead design the game and build a super server able to do this. You will be praised all over the world matey :) I probably wouldn't advertise it and sell it if it didn't work. Here, send me $15 every month for something that doesn't do what I told you it would. Keep feeding the machine though, I'm sure it will work out great for you. Whos. the. idiot. now? lollin
Wylker Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.02.23 20:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Amuko Originally by: Wylker Originally by: Amuko Keep on doing huge fleet fights which the servers can't handle and *** about it, I'm sure that'll fix the problem. I'm just being realistic here. So what if the server could handle 200 vs 200? Then people will bring the next amount of people required to ** the server up. I don't know why I bother responding to you though, from what I've seen from your posting so far you're just a bad excuse for a troll. Oh I'm sorry, does being called out on your sycophantic whining make you angwy wit wittle ole me? The game fails to deliver on it's promises. You can rationalize it any way that you you want. If they're going to let 25000 people be online on their single shard epic universe, they need to f'in allow us to play the game. It SICKENS me to read quotes like "there was only 4-5 minutes module lag activation, which was nice for a change". THE GAME FAILS TO DELIVER AND NEEDS TO GET FIXED. You can go ahead and keep sucking on the tit though. I can tell you this, if I wasn't buying GTCs with isk, there is not a CHANCE i would pay for a game this broken. And you call me a whiner and angry . Sorry those weren't angry caps, those were slow and loud caps, I have to explain stuff that way to my 2 year old sometimes too, it's cool brother, we still love you despite your slowness :P
Chirruper	Posted - 2008.02.23 20:38:00 - [23] 2 players in same location = 2 send/recieve through server 100 players in same location = 9,000 send/recieve 1000 players in same location = 499,500 send/revieve 35,000 players in same location = 1,224,965,000 send/recieve Got it? That will address all your concerns regarding why the community is spread out and why other games have shards.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.23 21:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Wylker I probably wouldn't advertise it and sell it if it didn't work. Here, send me $15 every month for something that doesn't do what I told you it would. Keep feeding the machine though, I'm sure it will work out great for you. Whos. the. idiot. now? lollin Plz link to the official CCP info that has ever in the history of the game given out a hard number for what is advertised as a 'Fleet Fight'. Don't bother though because you won't find it. If CCP has failed on any part of fleet fights then its because they made eve a sandbox game and the current game mechanics let the playerbase ambitions far exceed the servers ability to handle it. This will always be true. Period. So don't *** about the servers as they are quite stable and lag free for the vast majority of the playerbase.(except Jita/Motsu but those fall under the fleet fight sandbox snafu) You need to * about CCPs implimentation of pos/fleet warfare and have them find out a way to make it fun without needing a node crashing blob. Originally by:** MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Sekket Caldari White-Noise	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Wylker You're a game designer's dream. People *** because they pay to play a game that fails to deliver its promise of epic fleet fights. People * because the heart pounding, exciting aspects of the game grind to a halt because of a server that may be as advanced as possible but still doesn't do what we need. Its bull. People *** because they for some reason can't cope with the fact that computing hardware is in fact subject to design limits and cannot supply infinite computing power.
Cor Aidan KNIGHT'S OF THE ROUND ROOM ReZZerecteD AlckemisTs	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Chirruper Edited by: Chirruper on 23/02/2008 20:50:20 2 players in same location = 2 send/recieve through server 100 players in same location = 9,000 send/recieve 1000 players in same location = 999,000 send/revieve 35,000 players in same location = 1,224,965,000 send/recieve Got it? That will address all your concerns regarding why the community is spread out and why other games have shards. Bingo.
Grytok moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:50:00 - [27] CCP never said how many people will be able to fight each other without lag. lag is the result of human nature. People tend to bring huge numbers to succeed. Simple as that. I've had a Fight three days ago with 100 pilots in the same grid. Guess what: there was no lag at all. Keep crying about not beeing able to fight with 600 pilots in the same grid. It does not interest me at all, because I think that this is stoopid anyways. As long as there's 50 vs. 50 possible without lag I think that we're pretty fine. And it is. Nothing to add here. .
Commander 598 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:16:00 - [28] None of this really negates the fact that EVE has some pretty crappy netcode. I believe somebody did some packet sniffing and found it was sending/receiving multi-megabyte sized packets.
Rin2	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Commander 598 None of this really negates the fact that EVE has some pretty crappy netcode. I believe somebody did some packet sniffing and found it was sending/receiving multi-megabyte sized packets. I believe somebody did some packet sniffing and found a zebra...
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Rin2 Originally by: Commander 598 None of this really negates the fact that EVE has some pretty crappy netcode. I believe somebody did some packet sniffing and found it was sending/receiving multi-megabyte sized packets. I believe somebody did some packet sniffing and found a zebra... Oh I heard about that Vote Dynamic Tax!

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