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Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.23 14:10:00 - [1] I don't think you'll be there for long.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.24 14:54:00 - [2] Originally by: kublai Actually, AWAR pvps by far mostly in 0.0, IRON's 0.0 to be completely specific I do not only root for bob due to a changing balance though, make no mistake, I am an elitist bastard who looks down upon the low sp hordes, well, most of them anyway, some are cute (hi intigo!). At this point I have to say that I absolutely loved watching Agony completely wipe the floor with Cult of War in the last alliance tournament (and not just because I was in Agony at the time).
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.24 15:02:00 - [3] Originally by: kublai Edited by: kublai on 24/02/2008 14:57:17 Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: kublai Actually, AWAR pvps by far mostly in 0.0, IRON's 0.0 to be completely specific I do not only root for bob due to a changing balance though, make no mistake, I am an elitist bastard who looks down upon the low sp hordes, well, most of them anyway, some are cute (hi intigo!). At this point I have to say that I absolutely loved watching Agony completely wipe the floor with Cult of War in the last alliance tournament (and not just because I was in Agony at the time). Goons getting the goon treatment I retort with something a little more representative than 10 guys hurridly put together for fun My dear goon,, you may now go back to your hole. I'm sorry that I somehow gave you the impression that I would be someone interested in watching one of your e-peen stroking videos. I didn't mean to.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.24 15:06:00 - [4] Originally by: kublai I'm sorry, you gave the impression you wanted to point out an incident where CoW managed to lose..10 ships? No, I just wanted to point out that I enjoyed watching it.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.25 07:36:00 - [5] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 24/02/2008 23:14:58 Originally by: Kilostream So, if you wouldn't focus on the territory, and declare victory when there is no sov left.......when would YOU do it? I know I'm biased, but I think Fred0's got not only the right focus, but the only focus it's reasonable to have, given the circumstances. The only time victory can be truly claimed is when BOB disbands and disperses until then you have not destroyed them you have only displaced them. Destroying and defeating are completely different things. A displaced BoB is a defeated BoB. They are, and have always been, a territory holding alliance, not a nomadic one raiding here and there. Without their territory BoB is not BoB as they have always existed before. There is no other way to measure the success of a territorial alliance except in the territory they hold. And in either case why would anyone in the Coalition even care about a BoB alliance hanging out in empire or in some npc region in 0.0? That doesn't mean that they can't come back and take new territory after that (although I seriously doubt they will), but it doesn't change the fact that they will be defeated when they lose all their territory.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.25 16:14:00 - [6] Edited by: Hannobaal on 25/02/2008 16:16:15 Originally by: HEY LISTEN Id say that BOB are hardly the standard wandering pvp corp or alliance as they have a huge capital fleet and several titans. GOONS and others have been out to kill BOB from the start of the offensive and now your coalition is showing signs of wear you are redefining victory as summat that you think you can actually achieve with your mega nap before more ppl go home. Let me guess... your using the one last big push speech?. I suppose BOB did redefine its objectives when it became clear that your blob had no in game skillful solution so i suppose you needed to redefine winning when you realised that all you can do is blob their systems off them. No one is redifining any objectives, and there's hardly any "sign of wear". BoB are 5 station systems short of what they had before the offensive started. Of the station systems we've tried to take so far only one siege has failed and that's NOL. That's it. The other systems have all fallen. BoB have not regained (or even tried to regain) any of the systems they've lost. And the only reason NOL didn't fall is because we didn't have the participation (or the "blob" as people like you put it). BoB, on the other hand, did have the "blob". No one can make BoB disband as an alliance except BoB. It is not possible in this game, with the game mechanics we have, to force an alliance to cease to exist. To say that BoB is not defeated until they disband is bizarre. It that was the case there'd be no point in fighting them at all. The only ones here redefining the victory conditions are BoB fan boys like you because BoB losing turns your whole elitist world view upside down or something.... BoB may disband as a result of losing the war and being pushed out of 0.0. Or they may not. But that's a whole different issue.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.25 16:46:00 - [7] Edited by: Hannobaal on 25/02/2008 16:46:21 Originally by: HEY LISTEN If you wanna go down the road BOB did when they kicked the crap out of you then go ahead and say "there is no BOB" Why would I do that? I'm not an idiot. (Also, BoB never kicked the crap out of me. Actually, even though I instinctively disliked BoB as an alliance from the very beginning when I started playing little more than a year ago, I didn't even know that part of the story of what they did to Goons until a few months ago when I joined Igneus. ) Quote: the wording is not important the fact that you have not won until they have disbanded is and you know it. If you insist on defining the victory conditions for the war in such a way so that defeating BoB is not possible (unless they do it to themselves), then go right ahead. It's not like it makes any real difference.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.25 18:15:00 - [8] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 25/02/2008 17:58:31 Originally by: Hannobaal If you insist on defining the victory conditions for the war in such a way so that defeating BoB is not possible (unless they do it to themselves), then go right ahead. It's not like it makes any real difference. I suggest you check goons history before you start making stupid claims as im defining victory conditions exactly how goons defined them when BOB removed all the sov they had. Ummm, the only ones who have sovereignity in Syndicate are... the Syndicate. And Goons WERE defeated back then. Anyone saying anything else, then or now, is spouting crap. But they were not destroyed. And then they came back.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.25 18:34:00 - [9] Edited by: Hannobaal on 25/02/2008 18:34:50 Originally by: HEY LISTEN If you wanna devide up defeats and wins into little packages so you feel like you have defeated BOB go ahead. You wanna measure victory by terratorial wars so it means you have defeated BOB. BOB will measure it by K/D or battles won so they can claim to defeat you regularly. When your naps have taken BOB's space and they are still around kicking your butt in fleet battles, while your numbers and naps are suddenly made impotent cos they have no space to blob, i doubt many apart from your propaganda boys will consider BOB defeated. You're resting on huge assumptions about what will happen when they lose their space based on your lingering belief in the existence of the emperor's clothes. (Hint: He really is naked.)

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