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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:20:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Bailey Boy
EVERY Navy Issue Apoc owner petition this now and keep hammering the reply button until we beat these useless illogical drug induced CCP staff into submission. This is bordering on one of the most criminal and stupid things I have seen from a Dev yet?
The faction Apoc is based on the same hull so the bonuses apply. To have the Navy Apoc worse than the std hull is simply WRONG! Fix it now not in a damn year or two?
Also we all know you would apply it to the faction variation straight away if it was a NERF!!
Dude! You're sounding upset. Did anythig - dunno - erode your trust maybe? SCNR! :P
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Kagura Nikon
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Posted - 2008.03.13 11:10:00 -
[62]
You all knwo there is only 1 way to solve this. Open a new thread and make it the greatest and largest of all whine threads, a athread to make the great amarr thread a puny one!!!
Thereby I invoke JoJo the Imperial Issue Whinner to start it!
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If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
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Incidence
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Posted - 2008.03.13 11:43:00 -
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First of all, proper respect to Fendahl for actually replying and stating his reasons.
That being said, as it was mentioned numerous times above you are actually eroding our trust by not changing the faction apocalypse. We now have to wait multiple more months (and we don't even know how long!) for the crapocalypse to become useful.
I doubt that faction apocalypse users would have a problem with two boosts to their ship, even if the second boost changes the ship drastically. However, we do have a problem with the ship sitting uselessly in our hangars for an unknown period of time.
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Anosse
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Posted - 2008.03.13 14:33:00 -
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Look at it this way:
Apoc gets buffed
Navy apoc gets buffed
a few months later:
Navy apoc gets changed again
after that:
Navy apoc is too overpowered
Now because it has been updated twice in a short (relative)period of time it will be harder to pinpoint which of the two changes were the cause of the problem, thus requiring more effort and hence money form the Dev team
I'm not saying this would make them overpowered but from a game development viewpoint it makes more sense to keep your updates like this.
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
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Posted - 2008.03.14 17:32:00 -
[65]
Originally by: CCP Fendahl
Unfortunately the faction Apocalypse variants will not be changed in the same patch as the T1 Apocalypse. The reason is that we'll be looking at faction ships in general for the Factional Warfare patch and don't want to risk having to change the faction Apocalypses again after such a short time. Nothing has been decided yet, though, and my guess would be that we decide to let the changes carry over to the faction variants.
The Paladin has little in common with the Apocalypse and giving it an optimal range bonus would make it overpowered in my opinion.
Fendahl do you have a forum thread for this discussion (on faction ships and faction warfare)?
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Mss Jade
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.15 07:05:00 -
[66]
Originally by: CCP Fendahl
Perhaps I should clarify. Risking to change a ship drastically two times in a short period of time is bad because every change upsets the overall game balance and makes peoples investment in the ship uncertain, eroding their trust. Changing the ship is trivial, but a fair amount of analysis and testing is needed to ensure they don't become overpowered or displace existing ships that directly compete against them (e.g. Apoc vs. Rokh).
As we'll be taking at look at factional ships in general in the near future we think it's not worth changing the ships now given the potential problems it could cause in a few months. Also remember that the faction ships are not getting nerfed, just not boosted yet.
yes the navy issue apocalypse will be very much imbalanced by those changes
i can already see it in the future like a vision people with navy issue apocalypses killing other ships in pvp by the millions from 200km away
( wait navy issue in pvp ? it does not compute )
erorr.
erorr...
erorrrrrrrrrr$#@#^%&^%&$^@
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Avalira
Pax Minor Expiscor Pario Addo
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Posted - 2008.03.18 14:20:00 -
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I would really like to know how "soon" is the "soon" the devs are talking about. If we have to wait 6 months, a year or two just to see Faction Warfare then CCP should change the Navy Apoc or Paladin bonuses now! If factional warfare is coming in a month or two then I can understand not wanting to change the Navy Apoc. Otherwise there is really no excuse.
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Polinus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.18 18:17:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Avalira
I would really like to know how "soon" is the "soon" the devs are talking about. If we have to wait 6 months, a year or two just to see Faction Warfare then CCP should change the Navy Apoc or Paladin bonuses now! If factional warfare is coming in a month or two then I can understand not wanting to change the Navy Apoc. Otherwise there is really no excuse.
LOL 6 months? I would bet 1 year at minimum.
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Avaleric
Amarr
Knights Templar Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.07 00:20:00 -
[69]
Point of interest: I myself am waiting for the Nav Apoc to get the same increases as the regular one, BUT, in the meantime, it is still my ship of choise. It is tough as nails, 14k armour and 12k shield with neutral setup, and it got a strong enough cap to run virtually indefinately. I've flown all the Amarr battleships extensively (well, not Imperial), and the Navy is still the most versatile.
Mind you, not giving the faction ships the same boosts IS silly, and I don't buy the DEVs explanation... |
Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.07 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ishina Fel on 07/05/2008 10:56:52
Your sig matches the last line in your post rather well, I'm afraid 
Factional Warfare is coming this summer - that means, July at the latest. That, in turn, means: In July at the latest, the Navy Apoc (and all other faction ships) are going to be overhauled.
Surely you can wait another 2 months, because as you say, It is not a bad ship.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:24:00 -
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Did the devs find out what will be the new faction ships stats?
Will they all be reviewed?
Will they all turn to marauder-like ships?
Will faction frigates be useful one day? Most have many bonuses, but 2 slots only that received them...
Will faction cruisers have something? They are as expensive as HAS, but require less skills, still, they are not at all a step in between (for example, not all are useful to running lvl 3 missions with average skills). If a marauder-like design is chosen, what will happen to the navy vexor and any other ship which doesn't get all its power from turrets/missiles?
And back to the main subject :
What will happen to the faction BS?
And finally :
Any new variants of ships that will go live with those? Like the amarr houses, minmatar tribes and such things? There are many ships with no faction variant, that's what I'm asking about.
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Avaleric
Amarr
Knights Templar Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.07 18:16:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Avaleric on 07/05/2008 18:18:54
U can see my signature? - I can't.
Don't get e wrong; I love my Navy, it's my 5th one...
What I meant was I don't see the problem with adding the same upgrades and then changing them again a few months later - we're only talking about a bit more cap and range.
Originally by: Ishina Fel
Edited by: Ishina Fel on 07/05/2008 10:56:52
Your sig matches the last line in your post rather well, I'm afraid
Factional Warfare is coming this summer - that means, July at the latest. That, in turn, means: In July at the latest, the Navy Apoc (and all other faction ships) are going to be overhauled.
Surely you can wait another 2 months, because as you say, It is not a bad ship.
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Life Machine
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.07 23:08:00 -
[73]
I link one little thread and its brough back to life after 2 months of death...*sigh*
On topic, I can't wait for the factional warfare deployment, not least for the boosts to faction ships (it better be bloody boosts, more power please, haha)
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2ippy
Amarr
Omega Xen
Novus Aevum
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Posted - 2008.05.12 15:19:00 -
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I realy have no words about this navy apo and apo its the most stupid thing i have ever seen on this game .....normal apo has rng bonus and navy apo not hell now thats so STUPID who the hell will buy a navy apo when its worse and more expenssive than a normal apo.....i see plp leaving eve because of these stupid things i think dev should make this change and fast its a very bad game feature this one lol! the devs have made some good changes but this one omg someone left the blueprint in the draw!
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Arana Tellen
Gallente
The Blackguard Wolves
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 16:21:00 -
[75]
Guys, June, that's 4 months from beginning to end of this whine, so can we just stop it now?
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Oh noes!
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
*moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.13 11:58:00 -
[76]
the poster that said they dont want to change with faction warfare coming is spot on with dev blogs coming ( usually 6 weeks before deployment) and the events buildup we have seen lately in the news given various factions having issues u can bet the patch is coming soon ( not on SISI yet as far as a i can tell) but i think its ready to go in and in house testing has begun
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.05.13 12:10:00 -
[77]
Live devblog, what tomorrow or the day after?
It may hold answers about this!
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FlyingSpaghettiMonster
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Posted - 2008.05.13 19:10:00 -
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And even better... Factional Warfare will be on Sisi Saturday the 24th. Two Saturdays from now!
Perhaps all the changes you wanted and more will be on there.
And if they aren't, plenty of devs will be on for you to give your POLITE CONTRUCTIVE CRITISICMS to. Please. We rarely if ever will have a chance to not only talk to them while playing, but also have the ability to pod them when they disagree with us. 
Let's be nice.
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Forum Joe
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Posted - 2008.05.14 09:26:00 -
[79]
Originally by: CCP Fendahl
Unfortunately the faction Apocalypse variants will not be changed in the same patch as the T1 Apocalypse. The reason is that we'll be looking at faction ships in general for the Factional Warfare patch and don't want to risk having to change the faction Apocalypses again after such a short time. Nothing has been decided yet, though, and my guess would be that we decide to let the changes carry over to the faction variants.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh BOY! I can smell the pizza around which this explanation was hastily found 
"We didn't do our job, because we didn't want to do our job again in the future."
OMFG WHAT A LOL !!!
THANK YOU GAMING'S INDUSTRY DEVS :D
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Arana Tellen
Gallente
The Blackguard Wolves
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.14 09:42:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Forum Joe
Originally by: CCP Fendahl
Unfortunately the faction Apocalypse variants will not be changed in the same patch as the T1 Apocalypse. The reason is that we'll be looking at faction ships in general for the Factional Warfare patch and don't want to risk having to change the faction Apocalypses again after such a short time. Nothing has been decided yet, though, and my guess would be that we decide to let the changes carry over to the faction variants.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh BOY! I can smell the pizza around which this explanation was hastily found
"We didn't do our job, because we didn't want to do our job again in the future."
OMFG WHAT A LOL !!!
THANK YOU GAMING'S INDUSTRY DEVS :D
1/5 for trolling tbh.
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Oh noes!
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
*moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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Dristra
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.16 11:12:00 -
[81]
So, is the navy apoc getting boosted in the upcoming expansion?
Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions!
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.16 11:20:00 -
[82]
nope dont tink so
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.20 18:33:00 -
[83]
Originally by: CCP Fendahl
Unfortunately the faction Apocalypse variants will not be changed in the same patch as the T1 Apocalypse. The reason is that we'll be looking at faction ships in general for the Factional Warfare patch and don't want to risk having to change the faction Apocalypses again after such a short time.
Can you confirm that navypoc will get its boost with the coming patch?
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