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Nacho Daddy Caldari Ministry of Funny Walks	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:28:00 - [31] Originally by: KapnKaboom The differences between the two are huge. Eve is a PvP game at the core. If you want something, you will need to take it from another player. Essentially, your gain is somebody elses loss. WoW is a PvE game at the core where if you want something, you can get it by repeating the same predictable quest series over and over again. I suppose, if you like beating your head against a wall, you can grind NPC missions in Eve until you can afford what you want. But it's much faster to go out and just take it from someone else who already has what you want. Actually this is incorrect. You can live in high sec and get whatever you need by mining or mission running and never take a thing from anyone else if you so choose. Same for playing the market. So at the basic level EVE and WoW are the same. There is nothing that "forces" you to take from others in EVE it just that it allows for that and you enjoy doing so. Mining asteroids is no different from the gathering professions, in fact they are very similarly set up. The easier items are in the "safer" regions, and the higher level stuff is in more dangeous regions. Its in how the player death is handled that the games diverge. You could make WoW very much like if you just made player corpses lootable and made very server a PVP server.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:31:00 - [32] Originally by: Maxpie If only Eve would get rid of alts, then it would be truly epic. I never hide behind an alt. That's the fun of Eve, you are your character. I would love to see alts gotten rid of and banned, since they lead to lame metagaming, but how would it be possible? There's no way to enforce it. Plus CCP makes more money that way.
Taylor timenenzi	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:42:00 - [33] Originally by: Kyra Felann Originally by: Maxpie If only Eve would get rid of alts, then it would be truly epic. I never hide behind an alt. That's the fun of Eve, you are your character. I would love to see alts gotten rid of and banned, since they lead to lame metagaming, but how would it be possible? There's no way to enforce it. Plus CCP makes more money that way. And since the only way to really run gate camps is to have a alt scouting ahead. Now the biggest line drawn between the two games I see is when someone on wow/eve goes to the forums to post about being gank and changees that need to be made. (im talking about pvp wow servers here) They get the same response DIAFSTFUL2PLAYNUB you picked to pvp when you picked server/game/undock. I personally think the op went to WoW got corpse camped for hours on end and gave up. The best thing about eve pvp is within a day or two with the right training your usefull in pvp fights. WoW you could be lvl 70 and still be getting smacked by players the same level. (unless they ebayed the toon)Kinda like you see in eve with BS weapons mods on dreds and carriers.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:46:00 - [34] Originally by: Kyra Felann Originally by: Maxpie If only Eve would get rid of alts, then it would be truly epic. I never hide behind an alt. That's the fun of Eve, you are your character. I would love to see alts gotten rid of and banned, since they lead to lame metagaming, but how would it be possible? There's no way to enforce it. Plus CCP makes more money that way. Hey, leave my alts alone! or I'll call for mission-running to be banned, since it leads to lame ISK-farming! CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Jebidus Skari Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:09:00 - [35] OMG its a different game ALTOGETHER ppl stop comparing, its just seems the its Eve players that harp on about WoW, let it go....Please.... and tbh 6+million players cant be wrong..Seems Eve players are pretty much in the minority. I like both different games different enjoyment.
KapnKaboom	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:18:00 - [36] Originally by: Jebidus Skari OMG its a different game ALTOGETHER ppl stop comparing, its just seems the its Eve players that harp on about WoW, let it go....Please.... and tbh 6+million players cant be wrong..Seems Eve players are pretty much in the minority. I like both different games different enjoyment. It's very easy for the majority to be wrong. Just look at all the people who voted for Bush in the last election. But politics aside, it's very easy to attract a large number of people when you cater to the lowest common denominator. The majority of those 6+million are the dregs of the worldwide player base. Eve players consist mostly of the creme of the crop.
Hinata Hyuuga	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:12:00 - [37] Originally by: KapnKaboom Originally by: Jebidus Skari OMG its a different game ALTOGETHER ppl stop comparing, its just seems the its Eve players that harp on about WoW, let it go....Please.... and tbh 6+million players cant be wrong..Seems Eve players are pretty much in the minority. I like both different games different enjoyment. It's very easy for the majority to be wrong. Just look at all the people who voted for Bush in the last election. But politics aside, it's very easy to attract a large number of people when you cater to the lowest common denominator. The majority of those 6+million are the dregs of the worldwide player base. Eve players consist mostly of the creme of the crop. lmao, and you are one shining example,...not An idiot is an idiot, no 2 ways about it
Angry Alt Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:21:00 - [38] Originally by: KapnKaboom The majority of those 6+million are the dregs of the worldwide player base. Eve players consist mostly of the creme of the crop. Do you really believe this elitist crap you're spewing or does it just help you sleep better at night?
Atnal	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:41:00 - [39] Edited by: Atnal on 26/02/2008 19:43:46 And the reason why WoW will always rule EVE is because it has 11 million subscribers paying $12 dollars a month, equating to about a billion a year in revenue. Speaking objectively I think WoW is doing something right if that many people play it. Now I don't like WoW as much as the next person but I think if you're that successful then you're doing something right. Let's just calm down on the nerd rage here and realize there's tons of other things we could do. I'll break out the s'mores when the flame war starts up again.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:44:00 - [40] Edited by: AndrewRyan on 26/02/2008 19:45:03 WoW seems to be full of juvenile kiddy's who want to be l337 but have not got enough skills to play decent FPS or RTS so they hide behind their time and grind sink level 70 char is because if you have 6 million people playing one game you going to get a lot of imbeciles. The proportion of mature player to asshats is probably no different than EVE or any other MMO. But when you take the same ratio from 6 million people all people see is the l337 kiddies and not the decent and mature players. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?

Ronsonol	Posted - 2008.02.26 20:04:00 - [41] I wanted to multi-quote KapnKaboom as he has a lot of questionable things to say here. I will try to hit the issues as I see them one at a time. 1. The Eve community has a giant WoW-envy problem. I am sorry that the WoW community is larger than ours....actually I'm not tho a lot of people seem to be butt-sore about the fact. 2. Eve and WoW are essentially the same game. Same basic modifications to your probability of hitting and doing damage, same basic ideas on progression (earn money and buy cooler stuff while you gradually increase the abilities of your character) and the same ****y, whiney player base. I am sorry about the last part tho. 3. People that feel somehow superior to those other gamers give me the biggest laugh. A dork, regardless of their own perceived position in dorkdome, is a dork to everyone else. Doesn't matter if you are trying to talk to one of the "mundanes" about your sweet epic armor set or your badass fleet issue BS, your still a big dork and they will still look at you like you just grew a third eye. So please, my sweet Eve community, get over WoW and enjoy the game you got. Eve and WoW do have differences that will draw some people to one and some to others. However, they are similar enough that many of us have tried or play both. I play Eve, WoW and LotR. All are fun for different reasons, but mostly for the same ones.
Jarvis Drago Caldari Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.02.26 20:13:00 - [42] Edited by: Jarvis Drago on 26/02/2008 20:15:46 Eve vs. Wow Differences: -One server vs many -Boom, Podded, Pwned vs Corpse Run -XP grind vs Time-based-XP -About 9.5 Million players -Quality of UI - WoW just wins. It also beats LotRO, DaoC, Everquest, and most other MMORPGs with the possible exception of CoX, so Eve has company. -Economic depth - Eve beats all. Nothing else even comes close. -Top End gear (T2+Faction+Rigs) is 1000% more effective than low gear (T1) - Wow used to have this same problem (greens vs epics), but that got revised with Burning Crusade...though it's starting again. Similarities: -Both games are full of morons that are a danger to themselves and others -Both games have raving fanboys according to whom playing other games is heresy, and should be penalized by execution. IRL. With a rusty spoon. -Both games have asshats that play for no other reason than to ruin other people's fun. -Both games have cesspools for forums -Both games have flavor-of-the-month builds that get nerfed -Lazer beems! (gnomish death ray) -Both games generally won't do good things for your love life. And finally, -Both games are great fun to play, despite what many people would have you believe.
Terex193 Amarr Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2008.02.26 20:18:00 - [43] Edited by: Terex193 on 26/02/2008 20:19:39 /signed -Lazer beems! (gnomish death ray)lawlz u spelled beams wrong /shakes head at your stupidity lol good post though
Turzyx	Posted - 2008.02.26 20:25:00 - [44] Quote: Why Eve will always rule WoW Yea I'm sure Blizzard are really vexed about the fact they have ~9.9 million more subscribers than CCP.
joejoefla	Posted - 2008.02.26 20:31:00 - [45] Edited by: joejoefla on 26/02/2008 20:31:29
Atnal	Posted - 2008.02.26 20:32:00 - [46] Originally by: Turzyx Quote: Why Eve will always rule WoW Yea I'm sure Blizzard are really vexed about the fact they have ~9.9 million more subscribers than CCP. Just being sarcastic. :P To Jarivs: Good list of similarites.
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.02.26 21:07:00 - [47] Eve rulez cuz we can carpetbomb their world back to the time of single celled creatures _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Jarvis Drago Caldari Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.02.26 21:40:00 - [48] Edited by: Jarvis Drago on 26/02/2008 21:42:52 Originally by: Terex193 -Lazer beems! (gnomish death ray)lawlz u spelled beams wrong /shakes head at your stupidity lol good post though Thanks for the complement, and I know I spelled it wrong. I spelled laser wrong too. Was tempted to put OMGPEWPEW in there too. Here's a few more. Differences: -Eve has fleet-lag, while WoW cured the Tarren Mill vs Southshore thing by making world pvp worthless, and moving stuff to BGs. Whether that's an improvement is open to debate. -Eve devs can talk to the public and have blogs. WoW devs are sequestered in cubicals in an underground bunker and are fed through pneumatic tubes...or so you would think, with the quantity of feedback that comes out of there. -Eve forum mods will lock threads that are pure spam, or have been repeated 900000000000 times. The WoW forums ARE pure spam. Similarities: -Both games are regarded as the greatest single game to ever be created, but the devs who made the games are regarded as incompetents who can't code their way out of a paper bag. Somehow the first doesn't preclude the second. Somehow. -Both games have laggy locations. Jita = Lagrath/Lagforge/Lagrimmar. -Zerg = Blob
KapnKaboom	Posted - 2008.02.26 21:47:00 - [49] Originally by: Hinata Hyuuga lmao, and you are one shining example,...not An idiot is an idiot, no 2 ways about it Rofl! You really aren't doing a good job of hiding your insane jealousy over my superior intellect and insight. But don't worry, I'll forgive you as I understand that it is human nature to despise and lash out at those that are far above you. It's not your fault that you don't have the self control to accept your lower position in life so I won't hold it against you.
Hinata Hyuuga	Posted - 2008.02.26 21:56:00 - [50] Originally by: KapnKaboom Originally by: Hinata Hyuuga lmao, and you are one shining example,...not An idiot is an idiot, no 2 ways about it Rofl! You really aren't doing a good job of hiding your insane jealousy over my superior intellect and insight. But don't worry, I'll forgive you as I understand that it is human nature to despise and lash out at those that are far above you. It's not your fault that you don't have the self control to accept your lower position in life so I won't hold it against you. Dude, not only are you insecure about the game you play, but you are also insecure about your intellectual prowess, and only god knows what else. With your replies to my non-one-liner rebuttals, it is obvious that your either lack comprehension on not just a grammatical level, but you are also one of vastly lower intellectual acumen. All i can say is that your posts on this thread doesn't put you in good light

Shrike Arghast Caldari The House of Marek	Posted - 2008.02.26 22:19:00 - [51] Edited by: Shrike Arghast on 26/02/2008 22:22:25 Edited by: Shrike Arghast on 26/02/2008 22:21:28 EVE trumps WoW simply because it is dynamic. Is the combat better? I'd argue that the difference is significant, but that I have more fun simply fighting in WoW. Is the story better? Eh, toss up, really (I would have originally argued WoW in this instance but... blue squid-faced men from outer space? Please). But the thing about EVE - the crucial, significant, awesome difference - is that EVE is dynamic. When you play EVE, you make a difference. Your actions, and those of your corporation - big or small - affect the storyline. There is no written-in-stone template of lore that CCP has to follow with EVE (not that WoW exudes a lot of effort in following their's), and so the players are given almost a free hand in the direction that the game's story goes. In EVE, CCP wrote the prelude, and left it to the players to compose the novel. WoW is completely the opposite. Blizzard is so eager to lock nobody out of content... ever... that nothing changes in the game... ever. I can collect the nuts and bolts from Redridge gnolls until my eyes bleed, as can millions of gamers, over the course of four years, and yet the Everstill Bridge that those trinkets were destined to repair remains a shamble. Nothing ever progresses or moves forward - everything about WoW is a cycle. It's like visiting an amusement park. You pay Blizzard a fee to ride their rides, but it's not like your actions in riding said rides ever change the design of the park. In EVE, we run the joint. This is the future of MMO's... not Blizzard's hack-eyed EQ clone. So yes, the comparison is fair... just in a broader scope.
KapnKaboom	Posted - 2008.02.26 22:29:00 - [52] Originally by: Hinata Hyuuga Dude, not only are you insecure about the game you play, but you are also insecure about your intellectual prowess, and only god knows what else. With your replies to my non-one-liner rebuttals, it is obvious that your either lack comprehension on not just a grammatical level, but you are also one of vastly lower intellectual acumen. All i can say is that your posts on this thread doesn't put you in good light Lol! Trying to make yourself sound intelligent when you really aren't isn't going to fool anyone. Did you go off and look up all those extra words yourself or is your mommy helping you write? But by all means, please do continue. You have been very entertaining thus far and I do enjoy a good buffoon show.
Hinata Hyuuga	Posted - 2008.02.26 22:52:00 - [53] Edited by: Hinata Hyuuga on 26/02/2008 22:54:23 Originally by: KapnKaboom Originally by: Hinata Hyuuga Dude, not only are you insecure about the game you play, but you are also insecure about your intellectual prowess, and only god knows what else. With your replies to my non-one-liner rebuttals, it is obvious that your either lack comprehension on not just a grammatical level, but you are also one of vastly lower intellectual acumen. All i can say is that your posts on this thread doesn't put you in good light Lol! Trying to make yourself sound intelligent when you really aren't isn't going to fool anyone. Did you go off and look up all those extra words yourself or is your mommy helping you write? But by all means, please do continue. You have been very entertaining thus far and I do enjoy a good buffoon show. You really are a piece of work EvE's finest, as in your words.
Nigel Roil Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.02.26 22:57:00 - [54] Might I suggest decaf for the OP.
Ariel Dawn Beets and Gravy Syndicate Rare Faction	Posted - 2008.02.26 23:52:00 - [55] Originally by: KarGard It's funny, on the wow forums, if you mention Eve online, people will have absolutley no idea what you are talking about. Yet on the Eve-O forums... It's because unless you are really into EVE, the instant someone mentions it everyone falls asleep because its 90% waiting, 9% lag, and 1% 'wow, that was fast'. And EVE players are equally as moronic as WoW players can be. The only reason why MILLIONS more play WoW than EVE is that you can get instant gratification if you sign on in WoW and start having fun (PvE, PvP, or simply griefing) while in EVE it can take ages to get a decent fight. The PvE content in EVE is also beyond terrible when compared to WoW. They're two different games. And somehow, I don't see how a game with 250x less active players is the better one when they've both been around about the same time and received equal amounts of exposure (practically every site has EVE advertisements that is related to gaming).
KapnKaboom	Posted - 2008.02.27 00:25:00 - [56] Originally by: Hinata Hyuuga You really are a piece of work EvE's finest, as in your words. It's about time you finally accepted that. A little slow to come around, but better late than never. If you wire me a 250 million isk tribute fee I'll forget all about your insolence.
Vikarion Caldari United Heavens	Posted - 2008.02.27 00:35:00 - [57] Originally by: Ariel Dawn They're two different games. And somehow, I don't see how a game with 250x less active players is the better one when they've both been around about the same time and received equal amounts of exposure (practically every site has EVE advertisements that is related to gaming). And what do you gain from posting this save to make everyone quietly wonder why you aren't playing the game you think is better? Anyway, of course I think EvE is better than WoW. I mean, I'm playing EvE...duh! But seriously, it's all subjective, since things like dynamic content and PvE quality are of subjective value. That said, EvE is better...because Chribba plays EvE. --------
Ace Garpy Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.02.27 00:35:00 - [58] Play both and enjoy both for different reasons. For me they are entirely different games so you cannot compare them like for like. WoW for me is uncomplicated fun. It doesn't pretend to be something it isn't, and it plays exactly as it says it does in the manual. Eve is a far more complicated beast requiring time and an understanding of it's mechanics. It however brings it's own rewards. IMO one is not better than the other they are just different styles of MMO Gaming. 10 million + (and rising) gamers on WoW cannot be bad. If anything Blizzard have brought MMO'ing to the masses. The Knight said - Oh that is an excellent story of payback, international romance, and James Bondery
Hinata Hyuuga	Posted - 2008.02.27 00:49:00 - [59] Originally by: KapnKaboom Originally by: Hinata Hyuuga You really are a piece of work EvE's finest, as in your words. It's about time you finally accepted that. A little slow to come around, but better late than never. If you wire me a 250 million isk tribute fee I'll forget all about your insolence. tsk tsk tsk, no iskies for you
Chirruper	Posted - 2008.02.27 02:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Kiviar Rules of being an Eve Online fan boy: 1) You must have a rabid burning hatred of WoW, even though it has absolutely no resemblance to Eve-Online. The fact that it is significantly more popular is irrelevant because the people who play it are slack jawed idiots. 2) At every possible opportunity, you must show your love for Eve by belittling all other online role-playing videogames. 3) You must desperately hold deep in your heart the belief that Eve is perfect in every way (except for the Amarr). Any flaw or unsavoury aspect of Eve brought up in discussion, is simply due to the others lack of understanding of the absolute glory which is Eve-Online. 4) You donÆt need to post good reasons as to why Eve superior, the blatant absolute boldness of your statement will bludgeon others in to agreeing with you. If someone disagrees with you, they are clearly a fifteen-year-old, and should go back to WoW. 5) People who play Eve-Online are just strictly smarter than everyone else. This is obvious, because if others were smarter, they would be playing Eve. This is probably the definitive starter guide to joining the EVE Online forums. Too bad no one will read it :(



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