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Tomski Ruslav
Gallente
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tomski Ruslav on 26/02/2008 21:54:20
So the big underlying appeal of EVE is the underlying politics and power games. The fact that you can declare war on other corps and aliances for your own ends and that no action in game is consequence free.
That is the theory at least.
There is at least one Alliance in game that you CANNOT declare war upon. For over a month to my knowledge CCP have been aware of this and nothing has been done.
The aliance in question is Scalar Federation, the entity and all corps that make it up simply do not exist when you search for them in your corp politics tab.
I have a strong idea what caused this and have made gms aware but all I got was "this is a complex issue" now I have beem waiting to action this for over a month and held off posting as I assumed something as serious as this would be dealt with quickly but no it hasnt so I feel it neccesary to at least try to let the rest of the comunity aware of this glaring hole in game mechanics. CCP were quick to act on the exploit that meant corps could remove their war decs by joining and leaving an aliance set up specifically to do that.
Why have they been so slow then to rectify this hole in game mechanics?
Try it yourselves go to corp tab select declare war on Scalar Federation and you will find you can't do this. This needs fixing and fixing quickly.
***edited 21.54 sorry about the awful spelling***
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SaintVash
Gallente
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 21:54:00 -
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i wish i had 1337 hacks like that..
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.02.26 22:09:00 -
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There is definately something happened to their alliance about 42 days ago.
Their sov dropped to 0, and then came back again. You usually see this when the AllianceID in the EvEDatabase changes.
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sakana
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.26 22:12:00 -
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Dev corp, calling it now.
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Irongut
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.02.26 22:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Serenity Steele
There is definately something happened to their alliance about 42 days ago.
Their sov dropped to 0, and then came back again. You usually see this when the AllianceID in the EvEDatabase changes.
Yes it seems to have been that which caused it as we have had this problem since early January. I now know of at least 3 people who have petitioned it but we keep getting the runaround from the GMs.
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Apophis Omega
Amarr
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.02.26 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: sakana
Dev corp, calling it now.
Dev alliance....
Aside from that, I have been petitioning as well. All I get is a waiting period, about it being complicated. Which seems kinda dumb since this is a massive violation in the EULA.
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Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2008.02.26 22:46:00 -
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You think that is bad? You ain't seen nothing yet ......
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Attack Dog
Caldari
Terran Robotics
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Posted - 2008.02.26 22:49:00 -
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.....find somebody else to dec?
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Raznarok
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 23:00:00 -
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Agree with OP, it needs fixing.
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RichThugster
Gallente
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele
There is definately something happened to their alliance about 42 days ago.
Their sov dropped to 0, and then came back again. You usually see this when the AllianceID in the EvEDatabase changes.
I believe they missed a payment and their alliance dropped or something? Whether GMs re-created the alliance or not i do not know.
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Deira Lenia
The Chaotic Order
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.02.26 23:59:00 -
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So.. Having corps join/leave alliances to transfer the Wardec is baaaad.
Having one (or multiple, looking at thread replies) alliance that is impossible to wardec is good?
Someone get me one of their diplo's. I know a few Imune users that would LOVE to join this particular alliance...
Tbh, pathetic that they dont hotdrop a fix on this like they did with Imune. Jumping alliance to get rid of wardecs, meh, thats like jumping corps to not fight imho.
This, this is just blatant muppetry. If there is no possible way of fixing this because age of the characters/corps/alliance and their location in the database. Well, disband it and remake it?
Darnit, didnt want to make a large post. But this bothers me...
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Savesti Kyrsst
Minmatar
White-Noise
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Posted - 2008.02.27 00:07:00 -
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Hope this gets sorted out quickly for you guys. The wardec system becomes a bit of a joke if some corps/alliances are immune, even if it's through no fault of their own.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.02.27 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Deira Lenia
So.. Having corps join/leave alliances to transfer the Wardec is baaaad.
Having one (or multiple, looking at thread replies) alliance that is impossible to wardec is good?
Someone get me one of their diplo's. I know a few Imune users that would LOVE to join this particular alliance...
Tbh, pathetic that they dont hotdrop a fix on this like they did with Imune. Jumping alliance to get rid of wardecs, meh, thats like jumping corps to not fight imho.
This, this is just blatant muppetry. If there is no possible way of fixing this because age of the characters/corps/alliance and their location in the database. Well, disband it and remake it?
Darnit, didnt want to make a large post. But this bothers me...
Its only scalar that we know of.
Its pretty sad of ccp to drop the ball for a month so far. Its an obvious EULA breach on a massive scale.
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ElweSingollo
Starlancers
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Posted - 2008.02.27 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: scabbsssjr
Originally by: Deira Lenia
So.. Having corps join/leave alliances to transfer the Wardec is baaaad.
Having one (or multiple, looking at thread replies) alliance that is impossible to wardec is good?
Someone get me one of their diplo's. I know a few Imune users that would LOVE to join this particular alliance...
Tbh, pathetic that they dont hotdrop a fix on this like they did with Imune. Jumping alliance to get rid of wardecs, meh, thats like jumping corps to not fight imho.
This, this is just blatant muppetry. If there is no possible way of fixing this because age of the characters/corps/alliance and their location in the database. Well, disband it and remake it?
Darnit, didnt want to make a large post. But this bothers me...
Its only scalar that we know of.
Its pretty sad of ccp to drop the ball for a month so far. Its an obvious EULA breach on a massive scale.
Hmm may be missing something but are you alleging that Scalar intentionally knew of a way to cause this and exploited it because if thats the case then sure can understand you calling hax.. if however it is a case that CCP dropped the ball and they caused the problem then EULA has got jack to do with it tbh.
Also if it's the first and you are acussing them of intentionally exploiting a bug then I damn sure hope you got the proof to back that up.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.27 05:44:00 -
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If you suspect that somebody in the alliance is intentionaly causing this, with Gm complicity, then contact Internal Affairs. By the very definition of the problem however, there is jack all that the community can do about it however.
WTF am I going to do about it? Wardec them and grief them into the stone age?
Oh wai.....
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Dashboard
Hard Rock Cafe
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Posted - 2008.02.27 06:58:00 -
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It makes perfect sense to me. Of course an imaginary scalar would be a complex issue.
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Bobbeh
Celestial Frontier Inc
Celestial Frontier
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Posted - 2008.02.27 08:59:00 -
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Scalar is actually Jovian... Using super powers
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.02.27 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: ElweSingollo
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Nope. I mean that ccp dropped the ball when it came to a bug that made 240 members immune to normal game mechanics. Its ccp who screwed up big time by causing this mistake, and not fixing it correctly.
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RichThugster
Gallente
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.02.27 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: scabbsssjr
Originally by: ElweSingollo
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Nope. I mean that ccp dropped the ball when it came to a bug that made 240 members immune to normal game mechanics. Its ccp who screwed up big time by causing this mistake, and not fixing it correctly.
By definition the EULA includes End User's, not game producers, so it has nothing to do with the EULA, unless your saying that SCALAR have intentionally done it. Thats the point ElweSingollo was trying to make with his post, as it looked originally like you blamed SCALAR
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Cadiz
Caldari
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.02.27 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Cadiz on 27/02/2008 11:28:38
The siatuation here seems to be something like this, if I am piecing things together right:
Scalar Federation had some issue somewhere w/ paying alliance bill that caused alliance to be disbanded. Probably bug-related if they got a GM to sort things out.
A GM re-created the alliance to fix this.
However, due to this the alliance was not created through normal channels, so the "re-existence" of the alliance is not registering with everything in the game. This leads to oddities with things like the wardec menu, etc.
This sound like a rough approximation of what's happened here?
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Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.02.27 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cadiz
Edited by: Cadiz on 27/02/2008 11:28:38
The siatuation here seems to be something like this, if I am piecing things together right:
Scalar Federation had some issue somewhere w/ paying alliance bill that caused alliance to be disbanded. Probably bug-related if they got a GM to sort things out.
A GM re-created the alliance to fix this.
However, due to this the alliance was not created through normal channels, so the "re-existence" of the alliance is not registering with everything in the game. This leads to oddities with things like the wardec menu, etc.
This sound like a rough approximation of what's happened here?
That's probably what happened, but from a user perspective it's hard to nail it down. EVE moves in mysterious ways, somehow it's only fitting that it's happening to such an odd alliance like Scalar.
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Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.27 11:51:00 -
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Interesting but not surpising at all, typical CCP fubar.
Anyone knows what happens if someone attacks their POS's and threatens their sov.? GM jumping into system and DDing your fleet? 
Someone being immune to a ingame wardec for more than one week is simply shocking ... would kill my faith in CCP, if I would still have some 
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.02.27 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: RichThugster
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Lol your right. I had read a GM response a few weeks ago to a thread that he locked were he said "avoiding wars is in violation of the EULA and is bannable". I just read the EULA, and it says nothing about avoiding wars. Kinda odd for for him to say EULA, but it not mention avoiding wars, kinda like when a GM said jump freighters would have 100% success and reports claim its like 75%.
Again I am not accusing scalar of anything. I just think this ain't right for ccp to allow a bug that makes a group of people imune to normal game mechanics.
Anyways lets drop it, I trusted what a GM said, and it turned out to be wrong. So no big deal, but it still ain't for 240 members to be immune to war.
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HakanSherif
Minmatar
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.02.27 13:37:00 -
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What i know and heard is this, Draca Longen forgot to pay the alliance fee so their Alliance got disbanded. To my knowledge he also sent an apology mail to the alliance. Then they petitioned and their alliance is restored back making them immune to wardecs.
The GMs say it a complicated issue but it is not. Afterall their alliance got disbanded becouse they didnt pay the fee for it. If CCP cant fix this which is the case for the last 45 or so days, they should just disband the alliance and make them remake it through normal means which will fix this bug.
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Aku Soku Zan
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Posted - 2008.02.27 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tomski Ruslav
Edited by: Tomski Ruslav on 26/02/2008 21:54:20
So the big underlying appeal of EVE is the underlying politics and power games. The fact that you can declare war on other corps and aliances for your own ends and that no action in game is consequence free.
That is the theory at least.
There is at least one Alliance in game that you CANNOT declare war upon. For over a month to my knowledge CCP have been aware of this and nothing has been done.
The aliance in question is Scalar Federation, the entity and all corps that make it up simply do not exist when you search for them in your corp politics tab.
I have a strong idea what caused this and have made gms aware but all I got was "this is a complex issue" now I have beem waiting to action this for over a month and held off posting as I assumed something as serious as this would be dealt with quickly but no it hasnt so I feel it neccesary to at least try to let the rest of the comunity aware of this glaring hole in game mechanics. CCP were quick to act on the exploit that meant corps could remove their war decs by joining and leaving an aliance set up specifically to do that.
Why have they been so slow then to rectify this hole in game mechanics?
Try it yourselves go to corp tab select declare war on Scalar Federation and you will find you can't do this. This needs fixing and fixing quickly.
***edited 21.54 sorry about the awful spelling***
What are you babbling about? , Scalar is a 0.0 alliance, you don't need wardec to grief them.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.02.27 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dashboard
It makes perfect sense to me. Of course an imaginary scalar would be a complex issue.
You sir win the "Maths Joke of the Day" award.
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Xtreem
Gallente
Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.27 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Dashboard
It makes perfect sense to me. Of course an imaginary scalar would be a complex issue.
You sir win the "Maths Joke of the Day" award.
scalar multiplication is not funny, it makes me sad quite often :D
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EvilSpork
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.02.27 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: EvilSpork on 27/02/2008 20:25:26
edit: typo
Originally by: Xyton Zatnox
What are you babbling about? , Scalar is a 0.0 alliance, you don't need wardec to grief them.
so what you're trying to say is that due to them residing in 0.0, it means we can shoot them in empire. right?
if that's what you mean, you're an idiot.
if you mean that we should go to their home systems and shoot them and ignore the idea of a war.. well, then you have completely missed the point of a war, and this thread.
this thread is about a bug caused them to be immune to war. who cares if they primarily live in 0.0?
by your logic, warring goons or bob should be impossible because, PSHH they live in 0.0, it doesnt matter, lets just waltz right into delve and start shooting anything that moves! its EXACTLY the same as empire!
go troll another thread.
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Fnck the blob.
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Posted - 2008.02.28 00:15:00 -
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Why is everyone so outraged by this?
CCP allows most of the population to hide in un-warrable noob corps... this is just another few hundred untouchable people...
War decs are annoying when you need new ships... though hilarious when a mission runner or freighter pilot get ganked unaware (despite the warnings and corpmails)
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Wodanonline
The Last Resort.
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Posted - 2008.02.28 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: umop 3pisdn
Why is everyone so outraged by this?
CCP allows most of the population to hide in un-warrable noob corps... this is just another few hundred untouchable people...
War decs are annoying when you need new ships... though hilarious when a mission runner or freighter pilot get ganked unaware (despite the warnings and corpmails)
because thats normal game mechanics.
a alliance being invulnerable to war is not.
even more sad is that there is no official reply from ccp on how and when on this.
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