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SKINK0429 Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 13:11:00 - [1] Is a nanocane still viable Im going to try one tonight to see how much speed I can get! Was thinking of something like: Highs: 6 x Duel 180's 2 x HAM's Mids: 1 x 10mn MWD II 1 x Medium shield booster 2 x Shield extender(not sure what size) Lows: 1 x Damage control II 2 x Overdrive II 1 x Internal nanofiber II 1 x Istab II 1 x Gyro II Rigs: Is it worth rigging? Havent a clue if this would work or what speed it would achive, It would effectively work as part of a ceptor/AF gang to provide more firepower so would not need to web or scram?
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.27 13:16:00 - [2] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 27/02/2008 13:16:14 The shield extenders are Large Shield Extender IIs, and, well, the medium shield booster you could replace with a distruptor/web anyway (never enough points or webs, particularly given you're flying a relatively fast ship which can get to webrange of a nanohac most of the time), given you can't run the MSB for any prolonged period of time due to cap (or you could replace it with a invuln II to get more effective HP out of your shields). I'm not sure it'll work very well without rigging it, though - dropping a istab for a nanofiber and fitting two agility rigs, and fitting a falloff rig would probably make it much better, and it is 30ish M for the rigs. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
SKINK0429 Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 13:19:00 - [3] so even with the rigs its still a cheep ship if it does work! I will have to try it out tonight. Thanks for the advice on the shields I have never had to shield tank anything as yet so im still learning about shields!
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.02.27 13:27:00 - [4] The Vagacane is one of my favorites. While not really viable for losec (sentry tank is rubbish...believe me I know) it is loads of fun to fly in 0.0 or open space. Here is my variation: 6x425 T2 1xE50 NOS 1x50W NEUT 1xT2 MWD 1x24k T2 scram 2xLSE T2 2xOD T2 1xNano T2 1xGyro T2 1xDC T2 1xWhatever (I like a PD T2 or second gyro) T2 Warriors or EC-300's Rig: Depends on your pocket. Polycarbs for the rich....Aux Thruster/Low Friction Joints/Shield extender rigs for more sensible options. This will NOT keep up with inty gangs. Speeds with no implants/gang mods etc IVO 2300-2500 m/s depending on rigs and tweaks to lows. You can also swap HML's for the NOS/NEUT or go twin NEUT. p.s. Mixing the shield booster with passive extenders is bad. Cap killer and mixed tank. Get the scram on there....or at least a sensor booster . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
SKINK0429 Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 13:36:00 - [5] I can fit 220's I thought the duel 180's better traking would be more suited to a fast ship! So 2500ms is all I can hope for out of a nanocane? If it cnt effectively opporate as part of a fast gang I dnt see a use for it!
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.02.27 13:39:00 - [6] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 27/02/2008 13:40:49 Originally by: SKINK0429 I can fit 220's I thought the duel 180's better traking would be more suited to a fast ship! So 2500ms is all I can hope for out of a nanocane? If it cnt effectively opporate as part of a fast gang I dnt see a use for it! Think fast cruiser/BC gangs. EDITI'd say ask your FC's but I guess they are a lil busy with TRI atm "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
SKINK0429 Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 13:42:00 - [7] Yeh all the fast gangs we run tend to be ceptors and AF's! I would never get to use it, and its not a solo ship!
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.02.27 13:43:00 - [8] Get a Vagabond. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
SKINK0429 Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 13:54:00 - [9] Good idea lol
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:09:00 - [10] This thread makes me sad. The nano carrier thread didn't help either. I don't understand why everything must be nano'd to the point that we take ships that aren't all that fast, but can have a good tank/damage in a traditional setup, and nano it and have a ship that's still not that fast and can't do damage or tank worth ****. Fantastic waste of ISK. Yeah. Nano stuff is good, in gangs of 10+, or if you want to make use of your Eve subscription by being annoying, but they aren't the answer to everything- unless you suck and can't employ proper tactics in Eve. /makes fart noise
SKINK0429 Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:15:00 - [11] Aw did we upset you! poor little boy.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:50:00 - [12] Nano ships are outside the box?? Um, ok. What you're doing isn't even thinking inside the box. It's taking the Hurricane out of one box and putting it in another that it doesn't fit in. Fantastic job, dude. /makes fart noise
Saietor Blackgreen	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Alowishus I don't understand why everything must be nano'd to the point that we take ships that aren't all that fast, but can have a good tank/damage in a traditional setup, and nano it and have a ship that's still not that fast and can't do damage or tank worth ****. Fantastic waste of ISK. There is fiction in your truth, but also truth in your fiction. Cane doesnt NEED to be nanoed, but it CAN be nanoed. Thats a prime paradigm of Minnie ships, BTW - have speed and agility advantage - kite Gallente, out-transverse Amarr, die to missiles :) Plus, this type of setup allows for maximum DPS output - more slots for gyrostabs. With a dualrep setup you wont have much room for them. To OP, your setup is very usable. I drop one of speedmods (nano or overdrive) for the second Gyro sometimes. As for rigs - i usually just slap in 3 shield resist rigs. A falloff rig is not a bad idea also.
SKINK0429 Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:29:00 - [14] Yes you are correct I have used a duel rep tanked and ganked cane for a month or so now, I am just looking at other options and trying to have a bit of fun with some setups! I have never piloted a nano ship apart from my rifter I use for noob hunting in lowsec, now thats fun doing 4000ms in a rifter.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:34:00 - [15] I guess if you're poor and you have to nano because that's what your friends are doing, a Hurricane is not a bad choice. It'd do. But that's about it. I wouldn't call it outside the box thinking. Nano ships are best in groups (unless, as stated earlier, the goal is to annoy) and thankfully group combat tends to mask the deficiencies in your setups. I'd still go with a Vagabond, given the choice. /makes fart noise
SKINK0429 Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:47:00 - [16] mm your sig says it all m8
Celedris Stimulus The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Alowishus unless you suck and can't employ proper tactics in Eve. Proper tactics being camping lowsec gates in battleships & commands? Speed hurricane works fine, it's inexpensive, and has enough agility to keep up with a fast hac/recon squad while providing some heavier firepower & skirmish ganglink.
King Hopy Beasts of Burden Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:18:00 - [18] Just dont make the mistake of thinking that you can actually speed tank in a hurricane :)
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Celedris Proper tactics being camping lowsec gates in battleships & commands? As opposed to... sitting in stations or cloaked at safes? I've been around a long time and done many things. My record and tactics are not open for debate. My point is that while nano ships can be good in the right hands, they don't have to be the answer to everything. And as far as potential nano ships go, the Hurricane isn't topping my list. The only reason I can see to fly a nano Hurricane is that you can't afford better. But there are other areas where the Hurricane shines. I like to think of it not as a Tier 2 BC but Tier 0.5 BS, it's a fantastic ship. /makes fart noise
Everyone Dies Caldari Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:25:00 - [20] Originally by: King Hopy Just dont make the mistake of thinking that you can actually speed tank in a hurricane :) This. I'm not sure what good this ship is when it has to fight barely out of web range with barrage and has to run when a ship with missiles shows up because it's not fast (2200m/sec) enough to outrun missile explosion velocity. I think a traditional tank and gank setup that goes 1200m/sec would be enough to kite most targets.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.27 18:26:00 - [21] Heh. I prefer a dual-rep setup for mostly everything in a Hurricane, it gives it enough speed/agility to kite most things (which it wouldn't have with a plate fitting), and in a group can take some sentry fire (solo, the tank fails relatively soon unless you armour rig it, killing its speed which is a waste). The only thing where I see the dual-extended Hurricane shining is sticking three gyrostabs on it and ganking things in part of a group. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.02.27 18:47:00 - [22] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 27/02/2008 18:49:14 I'm sure everyone who is going beserk over the gasp-heresy of gasp-speed fitting a Hurricane did read out that the OP is now informed the Hurricane will not really work for his intended gangs. He is wiser now and has elected to go for a Vagabond in order to further annoy everyone. And cmon...2500 m/s aint very fast....just pretty speedy for a BC . And yes...speed tanking in this fashion does work with the right target or a handy webbing wingman. While 3 gryo's work....you would sadly have to give up....gasp....the evil nano "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the ** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Straightoutacompton	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:38:00 - [23] If it dosent have 650 II's on it your using it wrong....thats all
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:45:00 - [24] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 27/02/2008 22:48:40 Not really nano as in uber speed, but I like this one: 6x 220mm AC II 2x HAM 2x LSE II 1x MWD II 1x warp disrupt II 3x gyro II 2x OD II 1x DC II rigs either 3x falloff (maybe even 2x falloff 1x shield em resist) or 3x shield resist (if you have someone with a webber around) Edit: ECM drones can work, but need a bit of luck since jamming chance isn't that good
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:50:00 - [25] If I was going to fly a speed fitted Hurricane, I'd make it an artillery Hurricane and use the speed to dictate range only.
NeoTheo Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Reem Fairchild If I was going to fly a speed fitted Hurricane, I'd make it an artillery Hurricane and use the speed to dictate range only. sounds good ;) tbh tho i dont get the whole "lets nano everything", especially a dam cain... [url=http://http://neotheo.griefwatch.net/?p=pilot&pilot=NeoTheo/]Me, MySelf and I.[/url]
Edhel Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:48:00 - [27] Edited by: Edhel on 27/02/2008 23:48:42 Originally by: Alowishus This thread makes me sad. The nano carrier thread didn't help either. I don't understand why everything must be nano'd to the point that we take ships that aren't all that fast, but can have a good tank/damage in a traditional setup, and nano it and have a ship that's still not that fast and can't do damage or tank worth ****. Fantastic waste of ISK. Yeah. Nano stuff is good, in gangs of 10+, or if you want to make use of your Eve subscription by being annoying, but they aren't the answer to everything- unless you suck and can't employ proper tactics in Eve. I love how people like you say nano-setups aren't a proper tactic or whatever, just cause it doesn't sit right with you and isn't camp friendly. Nano-setups are popular because they work, they're the preferred tactic for a smaller sized gang in part because they tend to have more dps than ecm gangs. This is just a game but it's a game where it matters if you win or lose, cloaking/speed tanking whatever it takes to win. Go through your dumpster and find what's left of that thing between your ears you threw away mate and stop bothering the grown ups
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:52:00 - [28] Rapiers, Sabres, etc go about that speed (~3km/sec) if you can get it slightly higher with mindlinks or whatever I think it could be a good setup. I like fitting neutralizers on my hurricane but I'm sure HAMS work just as well.
SKINK0429 Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:13:00 - [29] Oh my! I only asked as I heard it worked well in alot of situations? I have had so many mixed answeres here that im afraid im just going to have to try it out? As for people saying stuff like I cnt afford to fly a hac or recon is stupid! There just not in my training plan at the minute, but I could fly them in a week or so if I really wanted, the appeal just aint there at the moment to train them especially with everyone crying for a nerf at the minute! I was just looking for a cheep disposable fun ship to fly thats dnt matter if it pops! and the vagacane is just that even rigged. Thanks for the responces even if a few were just plain rude, all taken onboard.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.29 21:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Edhel I love how people like you say nano-setups aren't a proper tactic or whatever I didn't say it wasn't a proper tactic. I said it's overused by people who can't employ proper tactics. I have a nano-Vaga, I like it. It's usefull sometimes. But I don't insist on nano-ing everything all the time and using it simply because if I'm not winning I can run away. The difference between me and you is I have the mindset that I want to win the majority of my battles, you go in with the mindset that you want to run away from the majority of your battles. That's great, I'm happy for you. /makes fart noise

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