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Teyrala Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:38:00 - [1] how GoonSwarm are using material from terrorism (all this 'jihad', 'allah' etc) to describe their suiciding hulks? Personally, I find this offensive, and CCP's actively advertising it even more so (ingame news item). Terrorism should not be glorified or promoted in any way, and attempting to compare a campaign of griefing in an online game to terrorist attacks where thousands of people have died or been seriously injured, is unacceptable. Yes, everyone has worked out by now that Goonswarm have alts selling hulks for profit and this is all just an attempt to inflate prices, but making a comparison to a violent and hateful real life religion that exists to incite violence against people is, in my opinion, offensive, and the promotion of it by CCP is even more offensive. I have to say that if I ever see anyone posting this 'jihad' or other offensive material in local, I will not hesitate to petition you for offensive language, and I encourage everyone to do the same.
Alexliea	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:44:00 - [2] everyone knows theres no real terrorists, US made that up so they can have a reason to goto war, they blew up their own trade towers. It's common knowledge now.
Teyrala Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:45:00 - [3] Do you seriously believe that? Amazing, there really are people that stupid in the world.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:46:00 - [4] The word Jihad has been around for a lot longer than the concept of terrorism. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
RaTTuS BIG Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:47:00 - [5] Jihad - means to "Strive or Struggle" there is no mention of Allah in the news item I think you protest too much though if you have an issue with it rather than foruming it how about contacting [email protected] instead? -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve & Portrait Server
Seven Reth Minmatar Institute of Combat Engineering STELLAR LEGION	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:48:00 - [6] Edited by: Seven Reth on 27/02/2008 16:48:53 Allah is not 'material from terrorism", and what the previous posters said about jihad.
Alexliea	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:49:00 - [7] Originally by: Teyrala Do you seriously believe that? Amazing, there really are people that stupid in the world. yes i do, do you how difficult it is to get a building to fall straight down? explosives have to be placed perfectly at all the support beams
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:53:00 - [8] I said jihad and all I got was this lousy glare from my muslim neighbor
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:58:00 - [9] This is priceless. I never thought I would see something worth reading in General; but the comedy value in this thread is amazing. ---- One day...one day General will be worth reading.
Valkazm Amarr Knights of Tiberius Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:59:00 - [10] Its like saying its offensive to play Terrorist in Counterstrike . How many games after games do you play as an American shooting all kinds of people . I think you need to understand that theese are not the rules of american controlling censorship . I was banned from Americas army on my one account for having the name Hamas i guess it ****ed them of that i was good at it aswell so they couldnt just pwn hamas :) ....................................... Signature Breaking Eve news

Turzyx	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Teyrala Amazing, there really are people that stupid in the world. Originally by: Teyrala a violent and hateful real life religion that exists to incite violence Nice going, mate.
Lithium Sky	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:10:00 - [12] Goonswarm is truly just a terriorst orgnization and all these attacks prove it. Not to worry tho the FBI or the CIA or who ever is protecting us from the internet is on it.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:10:00 - [13] The terms 'jihad' and 'allah' were not associated with terrorism until USA propoganda machine started working. Teyrala is from USA, right? People from other countries probably won't find this offensive, since they have not been conditioned to think of terror when they think of jihad or allah.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Alexliea yes i do, do you how difficult it is to get a building to fall straight down? explosives have to be placed perfectly at all the support beams Not really. Most conspiracy theorists ignore structural integrity experts opinions. Matter of fact, I was watching that attack on TV with a bunch of friends, a couple of them civil engineering students. As cruel as it sounds, we were making bets on how exactly the buildings would handle the stress. The civil engineers won the bets. The explanation they gave for their reasoning (after they won) was that the fire over there was strong enough to WEAKEN the supports, so once any of the supports collapsed, the rest would collapse almost immediately afterwards, and the sheer weight of the top floors crashing down would cause exactly that kind of "controlled demolition"-like collapse. Well, anyay, that's not really the point, and the US agencies MIGHT have (willingly, unwillingly, who knows) provoked or even assisted (most likely due to sheer incompetence at the top decision-making levels, rather than malice) the attacks. You can't deny however that the "fallout" of the attacks was pretty darn convenient for the people in power at the moment. And you certainly can't exclude the possibility of the attack being LEFT ALONE to happend, just to further "the greater good". Of course, that's just playing devil's advocate for the heck of it. You simply can't KNOW either way, and none of the possibilities are too unlikely to be completely excluded. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:15:00 - [15] You do realize they're only doing it to get pubbie reactions like this one?
Johnny Malloy	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Teyrala a violent and hateful real life religion that exists to incite violence wow, and i suppose the spanish inquisition were just picking daisys? and oliver cromwell and the puritans were misguided? i think you need to do a history check my friend and see how ALL religions have been used by the people in power to intimidate and terrorize populations time and time again into subjugation and fear. and yeah the word jihad as been around ALOT longer than the 21st century, and for the record, so has terrorism.
Missy X	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:23:00 - [17] I never thought I'd ever defend Goonswarm's actions in a post, but here goes: The use of the word 'Jihad' is fine. Okay, phew - glad that's over with. Back to normality.
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:24:00 - [18] Originally by: RaTTuS Jihad - means to "Strive or Struggle" there is no mention of Allah in the news item I think you protest too much though if you have an issue with it rather than foruming it how about contacting [email protected] instead? I've personally reported multiple posts on the forum with them claiming that suiciding in hi sec is the "will of allah" and things like that. I also sent a 1 page petition to [email protected] requesting a ban for all parties involved in accordance with forum rule 11. I mean wow, are you just dumb or something?
Johnny Malloy	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:25:00 - [19] oh and one more thing its widely known that america was funding the IRA a "TERRORIST" organisation that killed around 3000 people through bombings and shootings in the UK and ireland in its 30 year history, so once again double standards seem to be in play...
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 27/02/2008 17:16:24 Originally by: Alexliea yes i do, do you how difficult it is to get a building to fall straight down? explosives have to be placed perfectly at all the support beams Not really. Most conspiracy theorists ignore structural integrity experts opinions. Matter of fact, I was watching that attack on TV with a bunch of friends, a couple of them civil engineering students. As cruel as it sounds, we were making bets on how exactly the buildings would handle the stress. The civil engineers won the bets. The explanation they gave for their reasoning (after they won) was that the fire over there was strong enough to WEAKEN the supports, so once any of the supports collapsed, the rest would collapse almost immediately afterwards, and the sheer weight of the top floors crashing down would cause exactly that kind of "controlled demolition"-like collapse. Well, anyay, that's not really the point, and the US agencies MIGHT have (willingly, unwillingly, who knows) provoked or even assisted (most likely due to sheer incompetence at the top decision-making levels, rather than malice) the attacks. You can't deny however that the "fallout" of the attacks was pretty darn convenient for the people in power at the moment. And you certainly can't exclude the possibility of the attack being LEFT ALONE to happend, just to further "the greater good". Of course, that's just playing devil's advocate for the heck of it. You simply can't KNOW either way, and none of the possibilities are too unlikely to be completely excluded. Originally by: Teyrala I have to say that if I ever see anyone posting this 'jihad' or other offensive material in local I'll make sure I'll REPORT for offensive language any and all occurences of the words "God", "Crusade" and other such inflamatory material whenever I see it in local. FYI, the fire weakening support beams argument has already been disproven. I mean wow, are you just dumb or something?

Mehos Spun	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:26:00 - [21] get a bs, follow them and pop the wreck GREAT JONNY
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:26:00 - [22] Durka Durka Jihad! Durka Hulks, Durka. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Teyrala making a comparison to a violent and hateful real life religion that exists to incite violence against people is, in my opinion, offensive shouldn't you be out fighting the "war on terror" rather than making poasts on an internet spaceship forum i don't think the word muslim is censored (yet) muslim muslim allah islam muslim there we go do you get this offended every time you see a muslim too? what about if you saw one and didn't realise? your neighbour could be a muslim, your boss, your kids teacher, even that woman with a nice smile at the store
Hugh Ruka Caldari Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:27:00 - [24] I find it indeed worrying that somebody does identify any religion with terrorism. Originally by: Aravel Thon Originally by: Nith Batoxxx Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox............... I am so so terribly sorry...
Kyra Felann Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:27:00 - [25] I tend to agree. I find it somewhat offensive. It's not something to joke about, IMO.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Johnny Malloy oh and one more thing its widely known that america was funding the IRA a "TERRORIST" organisation that killed around 3000 people through bombings and shootings in the UK and ireland in its 30 year history, so once again double standards seem to be in play... Hello ? CIA trained and armed more than just the IRA. Yeah, the #1 hunted terrorist of the day has had CIA advisors, funding and training back in the day he was "fighting" the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:29:00 - [27] Edited by: Akita T on 27/02/2008 17:32:26 Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov FYI, the fire weakening support beams argument has already been disproven. FYI, it wasn't. It was disputed, and it remains controversial to this day. More to the point, the main counter-argument was that "the steel the supports were made out of were meant to withstand the heat that could have been generated by the fire". Yeah, that's true, they wouldn't have MELTED. However, you don't have to melt something in order to weaken it enough so it no longer supports the same weight. And the fire there COULD have caused enough of a weakening for the collapse. There's no conclusive evidence of any "foul play" EXCEPT the plane crashes themselves. Keyword, "conclusive". You can interpret that any way you like, as I'm sure you will. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Johnny Malloy oh and one more thing its widely known that america was funding the IRA a "TERRORIST" organisation that killed around 3000 people through bombings and shootings in the UK and ireland in its 30 year history, so once again double standards seem to be in play... Hello ? CIA trained and armed more than just the IRA. Yeah, the #1 hunted terrorist of the day has had CIA advisors, funding and training back in the day he was "fighting" the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. i find any terrorism extremely offensive unless its abroad where it belongs
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Dr Paithos i find any terrorism extremely offensive unless its abroad where it belongs I certainly do hope you're making a really bad joke. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Azirapheal Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:36:00 - [30] personally i have no problem with it durkha durkha muhammed jihad, bakkala shilpa shetty. tbh im waiting for the day that there is a 'life of brian' made, the only time genuine hurt and pain is ever caused is when people take themselves too seriously, a'la the american politburo and fundamentalists of any religion. i do not find the goons guilty of this. personally i prefer to get high and play eve. it is my religion. -------------------------------------------------- Thats Boot.ini, a boot file, commonly deployed by windows



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