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Teyrala
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:38:00 -
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how GoonSwarm are using material from terrorism (all this 'jihad', 'allah' etc) to describe their suiciding hulks?
Personally, I find this offensive, and CCP's actively advertising it even more so (ingame news item). Terrorism should not be glorified or promoted in any way, and attempting to compare a campaign of griefing in an online game to terrorist attacks where thousands of people have died or been seriously injured, is unacceptable.
Yes, everyone has worked out by now that Goonswarm have alts selling hulks for profit and this is all just an attempt to inflate prices, but making a comparison to a violent and hateful real life religion that exists to incite violence against people is, in my opinion, offensive, and the promotion of it by CCP is even more offensive.
I have to say that if I ever see anyone posting this 'jihad' or other offensive material in local, I will not hesitate to petition you for offensive language, and I encourage everyone to do the same.
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Alexliea
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:44:00 -
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everyone knows theres no real terrorists, US made that up so they can have a reason to goto war, they blew up their own trade towers. It's common knowledge now.
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Teyrala
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:45:00 -
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Do you seriously believe that?
Amazing, there really are people that stupid in the world.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:46:00 -
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The word Jihad has been around for a lot longer than the concept of terrorism.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:47:00 -
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Jihad - means to "Strive or Struggle"
there is no mention of Allah in the news item
I think you protest too much
though if you have an issue with it rather than foruming it how about contacting [email protected] instead?
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Seven Reth
Minmatar
Institute of Combat Engineering
STELLAR LEGION
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Seven Reth on 27/02/2008 16:48:53
Allah is not 'material from terrorism", and what the previous posters said about jihad.
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Alexliea
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Teyrala
Do you seriously believe that?
Amazing, there really are people that stupid in the world.
yes i do, do you how difficult it is to get a building to fall straight down?
explosives have to be placed perfectly at all the support beams
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:53:00 -
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I said jihad and all I got was this lousy glare from my muslim neighbor
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Orgos Khenn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:58:00 -
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This is priceless. I never thought I would see something worth reading in General; but the comedy value in this thread is amazing.
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Valkazm
Amarr
Knights of Tiberius
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:59:00 -
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Its like saying its offensive to play Terrorist in Counterstrike .
How many games after games do you play as an American shooting all kinds of people .
I think you need to understand that theese are not the rules of american controlling censorship .
I was banned from Americas army on my one account for having the name Hamas i guess it ****ed them of that i was good at it aswell so they couldnt just pwn hamas :)
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Turzyx
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Teyrala
Amazing, there really are people that stupid in the world.
Originally by: Teyrala
a violent and hateful real life religion that exists to incite violence
Nice going, mate.
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Lithium Sky
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:10:00 -
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Goonswarm is truly just a terriorst orgnization and all these attacks prove it.
Not to worry tho the FBI or the CIA or who ever is protecting us from the internet is on it. |
Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:10:00 -
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The terms 'jihad' and 'allah' were not associated with terrorism until USA propoganda machine started working.
Teyrala is from USA, right? People from other countries probably won't find this offensive, since they have not been conditioned to think of terror when they think of jihad or allah.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Alexliea
yes i do, do you how difficult it is to get a building to fall straight down?
explosives have to be placed perfectly at all the support beams
Not really. Most conspiracy theorists ignore structural integrity experts opinions.
Matter of fact, I was watching that attack on TV with a bunch of friends, a couple of them civil engineering students.
As cruel as it sounds, we were making bets on how exactly the buildings would handle the stress.
The civil engineers won the bets. The explanation they gave for their reasoning (after they won) was that the fire over there was strong enough to WEAKEN the supports, so once any of the supports collapsed, the rest would collapse almost immediately afterwards, and the sheer weight of the top floors crashing down would cause exactly that kind of "controlled demolition"-like collapse.
Well, anyay, that's not really the point, and the US agencies MIGHT have (willingly, unwillingly, who knows) provoked or even assisted (most likely due to sheer incompetence at the top decision-making levels, rather than malice) the attacks.
You can't deny however that the "fallout" of the attacks was pretty darn convenient for the people in power at the moment.
And you certainly can't exclude the possibility of the attack being LEFT ALONE to happend, just to further "the greater good".
Of course, that's just playing devil's advocate for the heck of it.
You simply can't KNOW either way, and none of the possibilities are too unlikely to be completely excluded.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:15:00 -
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You do realize they're only doing it to get pubbie reactions like this one?
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Johnny Malloy
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Teyrala
a violent and hateful real life religion that exists to incite violence
wow, and i suppose the spanish inquisition were just picking daisys? and oliver cromwell and the puritans were misguided? i think you need to do a history check my friend and see how ALL religions have been used by the people in power to intimidate and terrorize populations time and time again into subjugation and fear. and yeah the word jihad as been around ALOT longer than the 21st century, and for the record, so has terrorism.
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Missy X
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:23:00 -
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I never thought I'd ever defend Goonswarm's actions in a post, but here goes:
The use of the word 'Jihad' is fine.
Okay, phew - glad that's over with. Back to normality.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
Jihad - means to "Strive or Struggle"
there is no mention of Allah in the news item
I think you protest too much
though if you have an issue with it rather than foruming it how about contacting [email protected] instead?
I've personally reported multiple posts on the forum with them claiming that suiciding in hi sec is the "will of allah" and things like that. I also sent a 1 page petition to [email protected] requesting a ban for all parties involved in accordance with forum rule 11.
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Johnny Malloy
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:25:00 -
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oh and one more thing its widely known that america was funding the IRA a "TERRORIST" organisation that killed around 3000 people through bombings and shootings in the UK and ireland in its 30 year history, so once again double standards seem to be in play...
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 27/02/2008 17:16:24
Originally by: Alexliea
yes i do, do you how difficult it is to get a building to fall straight down?
explosives have to be placed perfectly at all the support beams
Not really. Most conspiracy theorists ignore structural integrity experts opinions.
Matter of fact, I was watching that attack on TV with a bunch of friends, a couple of them civil engineering students.
As cruel as it sounds, we were making bets on how exactly the buildings would handle the stress.
The civil engineers won the bets. The explanation they gave for their reasoning (after they won) was that the fire over there was strong enough to WEAKEN the supports, so once any of the supports collapsed, the rest would collapse almost immediately afterwards, and the sheer weight of the top floors crashing down would cause exactly that kind of "controlled demolition"-like collapse.
Well, anyay, that's not really the point, and the US agencies MIGHT have (willingly, unwillingly, who knows) provoked or even assisted (most likely due to sheer incompetence at the top decision-making levels, rather than malice) the attacks.
You can't deny however that the "fallout" of the attacks was pretty darn convenient for the people in power at the moment.
And you certainly can't exclude the possibility of the attack being LEFT ALONE to happend, just to further "the greater good".
Of course, that's just playing devil's advocate for the heck of it.
You simply can't KNOW either way, and none of the possibilities are too unlikely to be completely excluded.
Originally by: Teyrala
I have to say that if I ever see anyone posting this 'jihad' or other offensive material in local
I'll make sure I'll REPORT for offensive language any and all occurences of the words "God", "Crusade" and other such inflamatory material whenever I see it in local.
FYI, the fire weakening support beams argument has already been disproven.
I mean wow, are you just dumb or something? |
Mehos Spun
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:26:00 -
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get a bs, follow them and pop the wreck
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:26:00 -
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Durka Durka Jihad! Durka Hulks, Durka.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar
Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Teyrala
making a comparison to a violent and hateful real life religion that exists to incite violence against people is, in my opinion, offensive
shouldn't you be out fighting the "war on terror" rather than making poasts on an internet spaceship forum
i don't think the word muslim is censored (yet) muslim muslim allah islam muslim there we go
do you get this offended every time you see a muslim too? what about if you saw one and didn't realise? your neighbour could be a muslim, your boss, your kids teacher, even that woman with a nice smile at the store
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:27:00 -
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I find it indeed worrying that somebody does identify any religion with terrorism.
Originally by: Aravel Thon
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:27:00 -
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I tend to agree. I find it somewhat offensive. It's not something to joke about, IMO.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Malloy
oh and one more thing its widely known that america was funding the IRA a "TERRORIST" organisation that killed around 3000 people through bombings and shootings in the UK and ireland in its 30 year history, so once again double standards seem to be in play...
Hello ? CIA trained and armed more than just the IRA. Yeah, the #1 hunted terrorist of the day has had CIA advisors, funding and training back in the day he was "fighting" the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/02/2008 17:32:26
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
FYI, the fire weakening support beams argument has already been disproven.
FYI, it wasn't. It was disputed, and it remains controversial to this day.
More to the point, the main counter-argument was that "the steel the supports were made out of were meant to withstand the heat that could have been generated by the fire".
Yeah, that's true, they wouldn't have MELTED.
However, you don't have to melt something in order to weaken it enough so it no longer supports the same weight.
And the fire there COULD have caused enough of a weakening for the collapse.
There's no conclusive evidence of any "foul play" EXCEPT the plane crashes themselves.
Keyword, "conclusive". You can interpret that any way you like, as I'm sure you will.
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar
Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Johnny Malloy
oh and one more thing its widely known that america was funding the IRA a "TERRORIST" organisation that killed around 3000 people through bombings and shootings in the UK and ireland in its 30 year history, so once again double standards seem to be in play...
Hello ? CIA trained and armed more than just the IRA. Yeah, the #1 hunted terrorist of the day has had CIA advisors, funding and training back in the day he was "fighting" the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
i find any terrorism extremely offensive unless its abroad where it belongs
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Paithos
i find any terrorism extremely offensive unless its abroad where it belongs
I certainly do hope you're making a really bad joke.
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Azirapheal
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:36:00 -
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personally i have no problem with it
durkha durkha muhammed jihad, bakkala shilpa shetty.
tbh im waiting for the day that there is a 'life of brian' made, the only time genuine hurt and pain is ever caused is when people take themselves too seriously, a'la the american politburo and fundamentalists of any religion. i do not find the goons guilty of this.
personally i prefer to get high and play eve. it is my religion.
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar
Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Dr Paithos
i find any terrorism extremely offensive unless its abroad where it belongs
I certainly do hope you're making a really bad joke.
i never joke the internet is serious business
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R0ot
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Teyrala
how GoonSwarm are using material from terrorism (all this 'jihad', 'allah' etc) to describe their suiciding hulks?
Personally, I find this offensive, and CCP's actively advertising it even more so (ingame news item). Terrorism should not be glorified or promoted in any way, and attempting to compare a campaign of griefing in an online game to terrorist attacks where thousands of people have died or been seriously injured, is unacceptable.
Yes, everyone has worked out by now that Goonswarm have alts selling hulks for profit and this is all just an attempt to inflate prices, but making a comparison to a violent and hateful real life religion that exists to incite violence against people is, in my opinion, offensive, and the promotion of it by CCP is even more offensive.
I have to say that if I ever see anyone posting this 'jihad' or other offensive material in local, I will not hesitate to petition you for offensive language, and I encourage everyone to do the same.
Yet its prefectly ok to see you referencing "allah" and attaching it to terrorism. Im sure the muslim community is happy that your instantly connecting their word for god with terrorism. 
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:40:00 -
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Goonswarm is a legitimate internet spaceship group of corporations. We want nothing more than good clean fun. And I find it offensive that you would compare goons to the seedier side of huminty.
If anyone would like to discuss how this makes them feel. Please convo me, and we will make the appropriate steps to make this right.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Dahin
Maza Nostra
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Dahin on 27/02/2008 17:42:44
Edited by: Dahin on 27/02/2008 17:41:58
In other news pope amarr the 2nd called for a crusade against the goons to save the holy lands of NOL.
TCF's french empire was the first to join the crusade and the holy roman empire of ev0ke is believed to soon follow suit.
Czar komolov is considering his options but it is generally believed that will soon cave in, but is currently occupied with trying to find someone named rasputin who created some unidentified family problems.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Goonswarm is a legitimate internet spaceship group of corporations. We want nothing more than good clean fun. And I find it offensive that you would compare goons to the seedier side of huminty.
If anyone would like to discuss how this makes them feel. Please convo me, and we will make the appropriate steps to make this right.
So muslims are the seedier side of humanity? I really hope thats not what you mean. For your sake that is.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
So muslims are the seedier side of humanity? I really hope thats not what you mean. For your sake that is.
If this is what you thought, then I sincerely apologize. However, I do not equate a specific religion with terrorism, which is what I was referring to.
If you would still like to put your concerns on the table though, please feel free. We are listening and do not want to hurt or offend you.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:10:00 -
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If this thread gets any better I'm joining goonswarm just for the forum tag !
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
The terms 'jihad' and 'allah' were not associated with terrorism until USA propoganda machine started working.
Teyrala is from USA, right? People from other countries probably won't find this offensive, since they have not been conditioned to think of terror when they think of jihad or allah.
That is wrong. The origin of the association with Jihad comes from the writings of Sayyid Qutb (who's ideas were taken up by the Islamists), not from the USA.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:20:00 -
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Just so people know, Jihad referres to a struggle, whether within oneself or towards a goal in the world. However a war is also a struggle so Jihad also refers to war. What it does NOT mean is holy war.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:20:00 -
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Jihad.
Please, attempt to get me banned.
I find war offensive as well, I would like everyone that has ever been in a corp that declared war to be banned please.
And whats up with all this violence in general. Shooting NPC's that represent real people in those ships, killing a trespasser at a gate camp, nailing someone in an asteroid belt... all of this is offensive violent behavior and should result in an immediate ban.
There is absolutely no place in EVE for a player to portray himself as a violent or disturbed individual... no place at all....
GET A GRIP PEOPLE.
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Luh Windan
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Luh Windan on 27/02/2008 18:21:44
There are two choices with terrorism:
You can play their game, get scarred, be offended, take it seriously - take their issues seriously
or
you can take the p*ss - treat them as the foolish contemptible extremists that they are - trying to force societies into following their minority views that they are unable to get across with reason or logic or other normal methods of persuasion....
By using the language of terrorism in their exploits the goons are showing the language for what it is
and by treating Eve as a game they are showing that for what it really is too.....
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Luh Windan
You can play their game, get scarred, be offended, take it seriously - take their issues seriously
Being flippant about terrorism is a sure route to destruction. I'm thankful that there are people in the CIA, 5 and various governments around the world that do take it seriously, so you can sit back in your pwnchair and take the **** out of them. This isn't a new thing for us UK residents. We had the IRA blowing us up for a while before the Islamists came along (supported by funds from US benefactors nonetheless!).
On this issue however, I'm with freedom of speech. You have the right to be offended, but you don't have the right to curtail others freedoms because of that offence.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Teyrala
how GoonSwarm are using material from terrorism (all this 'jihad', 'allah' etc) to describe their suiciding hulks?
Personally, I find this offensive, and CCP's actively advertising it even more so (ingame news item). Terrorism should not be glorified or promoted in any way, and attempting to compare a campaign of griefing in an online game to terrorist attacks where thousands of people have died or been seriously injured, is unacceptable.
Yes, everyone has worked out by now that Goonswarm have alts selling hulks for profit and this is all just an attempt to inflate prices, but making a comparison to a violent and hateful real life religion that exists to incite violence against people is, in my opinion, offensive, and the promotion of it by CCP is even more offensive.
I have to say that if I ever see anyone posting this 'jihad' or other offensive material in local, I will not hesitate to petition you for offensive language, and I encourage everyone to do the same.
I would also like the following terrorist-related words removed from EvE:
missile
bomb
kill
shoot
destroy
gun
Also: shut up.
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Frug
True Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Teyrala
but making a comparison to a violent and hateful real life religion that exists to incite violence against people is, in my opinion, offensive, and the promotion of it by CCP is even more offensive.
I find your childish portrayal of a religion that is often very peaceful, and your essentially racist and ignorant stance against this religion, to be offensive, and I will not hesitate to petition you for such comments.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Jihad.
Please, attempt to get me banned.
I find war offensive as well, I would like everyone that has ever been in a corp that declared war to be banned please.
And whats up with all this violence in general. Shooting NPC's that represent real people in those ships, killing a trespasser at a gate camp, nailing someone in an asteroid belt... all of this is offensive violent behavior and should result in an immediate ban.
There is absolutely no place in EVE for a player to portray himself as a violent or disturbed individual... no place at all....
GET A GRIP PEOPLE.
You have no idea whats going on. References to Jihad are not offensive in the least to muslims, Jihad is indeed considered noble. However its when you say things like "Suiciding Hulks in Jita is the word of Allah" or making a mockery of Mohammed's teachings by twisting the words so that they convey what Goonswarm wants to say rather then the actual wording. Frankly I find it very offensive. I'm an Athiest myself but both my parents are muslim and like half my friends are muslim and to hear a bunch of children using a religion of peace in a form of war offends me in the same way as it does when I hear about people blowing themselves up in the name of God.
This topic shouldn't even be up for discussion. Just because something does not offend YOU does not mean it isn't offensive to others, and believing otherwise is just plain arrogant and ignorant. Religious bigorty, racial comments and all things inbetween have no place on a forum or game where those races don't even exist. Goonswarm can be damn sure I'll be reporting their garbage wherever I see it.
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Luh Windan
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder
Originally by: Luh Windan
You can play their game, get scarred, be offended, take it seriously - take their issues seriously
Being flippant about terrorism is a sure route to destruction. I'm thankful that there are people in the CIA, 5 and various governments around the world that do take it seriously, so you can sit back in your pwnchair and take the **** out of them. This isn't a new thing for us UK residents. We had the IRA blowing us up for a while before the Islamists came along (supported by funds from US benefactors nonetheless!).
On this issue however, I'm with freedom of speech. You have the right to be offended, but you don't have the right to curtail others freedoms because of that offence.
in passing I am from the UK - so yes I grew up with terrorism.
and yes indeed - I do not want the security services to be being flippant about it. However I think I can live with the Goons being so.
And freedom of speech also allows me to put forward the idea that most of us should not take terrorists seriously - because doing so gives them more incentive to continue in their activities.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
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I find your childish portrayal of a religion that is often very peaceful, and your essentially racist and ignorant stance against this religion, to be offensive, and I will not hesitate to petition you for such comments.
Here are some quotes from this peaceful religious book (just a little taster):
2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them.
4:84, Then fight in AllahÆs cause.
4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers.
5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.
8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.
8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah.
8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.
9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.
9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the ******* of Believers,
9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.
9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.
9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.
9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed.
9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the QurÆan
9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
22:9, (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).
22:19-22, These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"
25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 27/02/2008 18:36:34
Dmitry-
I do find it very worrying that someone has taken up a crusade against us, when we are peace-loving. We are making repeated attemps at conversing with you, in private, with a nice cup of tea, so we can assuage your fears.
Yet, you are now demanding a crusade against us. We do not aim to harm, and have only been forceful when provoked. It seems worrying to me that you have appointed yourself judge, jury, and executioner.
Once again, I would like to extend the olive branch towards you, and end this hatred. So that we can peacefully co-exist, for our mutual benefit.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:40:00 -
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MITSUK0
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Posted - 2008.02.27 19:05:00 -
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IT R CAN B CRUSADE TIEM NOW PLOX?
IT IS THE ONLY RIGHT AND JUST WAY TO DEAL WITH THESE PEOPLE. FIGHT JIHAD WITH CRUSADE, WE CAN GET THE AMARR EMPERORS BLESSING AND EVERYTHING OHWAI-
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xenoin
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.02.27 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: xenoin on 27/02/2008 19:26:09
You talk about the use of words such as "Jihad" and "Allah" offending you, but do you not think that saying that Islam is "a violent and hateful real life religion that exists to incite violence against people" will offend Muslims who do not condone these acts of violence? From where I'am standing you are the one offending way more people and being quite racist.
You will petition people posting about this "Jihad" in local but what if they had called this a "crusade"? The word "Jihad" does not even apply specifically to terrorism!
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Frug
True Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.27 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder
blah blah
Let us count the ways in which you fail.
Trying to start a religious debate to justify slandering another religion on eve-o: -1
Failing to get me to bite: -1
Sounding like an ignorant hick: -1
Your score: -3
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BOOO!! - Ductoris
Neat look what I found - Kreul
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Chomin H'ak
The Trivenerate
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Posted - 2008.02.27 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
More to the point, the main counter-argument was that "the steel the supports were made out of were meant to withstand the heat that could have been generated by the fire".
Yeah, that's true, they wouldn't have MELTED.
However, you don't have to melt something in order to weaken it enough so it no longer supports the same weight.
And the fire there COULD have caused enough of a weakening for the collapse.
There's no conclusive evidence of any "foul play" EXCEPT the plane crashes themselves.
Keyword, "conclusive". You can interpret that any way you like, as I'm sure you will.
Please don't mistake this as an attack, Akita, I value your opinion more than you know. When you look at the beams at ground zero slightly above ground level, you can see thermite burns in a perfect 40 degree angle, the angle used in building demolitions (tho 'proof' of that is only visually available any longer), furthermore if the structure was weakened from the initial explosion, the building itself would have fallen out rather than down in on itself due to the fact that the remaining structure would have provided resistance in the opposite direction and caused the falling debris to go in the direction of the least resistance. I make this statement based on my 4 years plus experience in demolitions. Regardless, I think we can agree things don't add up. (or maybe they add up too well)
To the OP... you mega-phail. You make me embarrassed to be an American citizen. Not only that, but your generalization of a religion based on what some egomaniac with 'nucular' capabilities disgusts me. You should quit. Just quit. You're playing a GAME where SLAVES are traded, sold and bought. You are playing a GAME where a GOD is part and parcel of the main conflicts within this STORY. You are also WHINING about people who are using WORDS. Terrorists have been in the world long before you were offended. And they will continue as long as you create them. You, sir are part of the problem, imo. And frankly, your ignorance makes me sick.
In that same spirit of condemnation, I would equate you with terrorism. Throwing out your propaganda and to influence and terrorize the citizens of Eve so that ultimately you will not be offended.
(oh, and to the guy posting Islamic Scripture; Christianity and any other organized religion in history has a bloody history with their god saying virtually the same thing.) so p1$$ off
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Daphne Oboe
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Posted - 2008.02.27 19:32:00 -
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Hey guys, I was told there was cake in here.
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Luh Windan
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Posted - 2008.02.27 19:32:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Daphne Oboe
Hey guys, I was told there was cake in here.
the cake is a lie....
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Teyrala
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.02.27 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Chomin H'ak
To the OP... you mega-phail. You make me embarrassed to be an American citizen. Not only that, but your generalization of a religion based on what some egomaniac with 'nucular' capabilities disgusts me. You should quit. Just quit. You're playing a GAME where SLAVES are traded, sold and bought. You are playing a GAME where a GOD is part and parcel of the main conflicts within this STORY. You are also WHINING about people who are using WORDS. Terrorists have been in the world long before you were offended. And they will continue as long as you create them. You, sir are part of the problem, imo. And frankly, your ignorance makes me sick.
In that same spirit of condemnation, I would equate you with terrorism. Throwing out your propaganda and to influence and terrorize the citizens of Eve so that ultimately you will not be offended.
Firstly, I am not American, neither am I a christian (interesting how Americans assume everyone else is american too).
My initial post was perhaps overreacted a bit, and I do not claim to fully understand any religion, neither do I link all religion with terrorism, but I do still consider religion asa cause. I still find it offensive to link a griefing campaign within a GAME to real life terrorism. I know several people who could have easily been killed in attacks just by living nearby. I have no opposition to people believing what they like, but when it causes deaths, the line has to be drawn.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.02.27 19:37:00 -
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Anyone finding references like that offensive is stupid beyond words and should be banned from the game for reasons of mental ******ation.
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