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The TX	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:46:00 - [1] With reference to this thread I made a few days ago, I've only just remembered to go check out the Shattered Crystal website - and I want to thank the people who recommended it to me, because I've just realised how much cheaper it'll make EVE for me! Owing to the current exchange rate, a 30-day GTC will cost me ú7.54 from Shattered Crystal. I'm currently paying by card at a rate of Ç14.95, which at the moment works out to be ú11-odd. This is quite a saving! I think I might just do this all the time now. However - isn't this stuffing CCP a bit, or does it all work out the same for them?
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:47:00 - [2] Originally by: The TX However - isn't this stuffing CCP a bit, or does it all work out the same for them? CCP chooses their pricing. If they have a problem with it, they will change it.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:47:00 - [3] I don't know, I do know that iceland uses isk, anyone know what the rate is for isk to american dollars?
Leon Soban Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:08:00 - [4] $15USD equals about 994 Iceland krona, yes I was bored waiting for a file to download.
The TX	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:12:00 - [5] Originally by: Leon Soban $15USD equals about 994 Iceland krona, yes I was bored waiting for a file to download. LOL I can just see you sitting there now wondering what to do and finding this thread 'oooh, that'll kill a coupla minutes'
The TX	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:32:00 - [6] I just bought a GTC from them - just seeing how it goes. Any idea how long it takes them to phone? The email I got from them says: "As a new customer your order is approved before it is sent to you in an effort to reduce fraud. We approve multiple times a day so chances are you will not have to wait long." And their contact page says they are in west coast of USA, which means it's still very much day time where they are - so I should be getting a response soon, surely? It's been 40mins since I completed payment. Any ideas?
Quelque Chose Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:38:00 - [7] Edited by: Quelque Chose on 27/02/2008 23:38:35 I bought my first GTC at midnight and got the call at 1am. It was a little bit creepy TBH. That was a different site, but hey... it does happen. (Time zone difference was insignificant in my case.) ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
The TX	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:41:00 - [8] I just been called! Oooh, it was like when I got a call back for the Big Brother auditions - EXCITING! So I'm now all verified and they should be sending me my code soon. And I've just learned where my nearest hospital is.
Kix'i	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:42:00 - [9] Do they e-mail u the code or send through post?
Marshall Knight Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:00:00 - [10] They email it i use them all the time great service get my code in under a minute.
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:03:00 - [11] SC are an excellent reliable company, after the first call(as long as you don't change CC or email addy) they will email you GTC within 5 mins at all times p.s. they messed up once(I ordered at the exact time their site went down) and corrected it immediately ======================== XXX
Dakath	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:30:00 - [12] Is Shattered Crystal a U.S.A. based company? I ask because my financial institution blocks credit card transactions outside the U.S.A. due to frequent fraud. When I pay CCP I have to call the bank and get this block temporarily removed. If Shattered Crystal is U.S.A. it would be much more convenient for me.
Panzerr	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:33:00 - [13] Correct me if I'm wrong : CCP still charges the VAT(IVA,TVA) for any purchase within EU's territory, even if the EU canceled that law regarding this tax.That explains why european players pay more than any other players in the world (14,95$ vs 14,95 euros, if I remember correct). As I said, correct me if I'm wrong, please.
Firkragg PREDATORS OF DESTRUCTION	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Dakath Is Shattered Crystal a U.S.A. based company? I ask because my financial institution blocks credit card transactions outside the U.S.A. due to frequent fraud. When I pay CCP I have to call the bank and get this block temporarily removed. If Shattered Crystal is U.S.A. it would be much more convenient for me. ITs paypal so if you can use paypal you can use SC. SC is excellent and phoned me at 3am to ask me intimate personal questions
Dakath	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:55:00 - [15] I don't trust PayPal. Too many horror stories about it. If SC is USA based then I will use my credit card. If not, well. I'm still playing eve in spite of the restrictions on my credit card. Originally by: Firkragg Originally by: Dakath Is Shattered Crystal a U.S.A. based company? I ask because my financial institution blocks credit card transactions outside the U.S.A. due to frequent fraud. When I pay CCP I have to call the bank and get this block temporarily removed. If Shattered Crystal is U.S.A. it would be much more convenient for me. ITs paypal so if you can use paypal you can use SC. SC is excellent and phoned me at 3am to ask me intimate personal questions
Dakath	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:58:00 - [16] WooHoo! Just got an answer from SC support. They are USA based. This is good for USA types who's credit card companies make foreign transactions difficult or clumsy.
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:08:00 - [17] Originally by: The TX However - isn't this stuffing CCP a bit, or does it all work out the same for them? Yes, it's pretty much stuffing CCP. Their operations in London are for all practical purposes in Euros even if the UK is still on GBP, and even though Iceland is not part of the EU their cost of doing business there is still tied mostly to the Euro if only due to location. By paying in USD, you're basically paying CCP 25% less(i.e. stiffing them) and cheating your government out of taxes at the same time. It's not a good situation for CCP. What would be ideal for them is raising the price of EVE for US players, but the market isn't going to support a $20/month MMO which becomes $40/month for the many players with 2 accounts. $20/month would cause them to hemorrhage a large number of players who pay in USD. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map
Sikozu Prioris Suns Of Korhal deadspace society	Posted - 2008.02.28 04:56:00 - [18] Originally by: Verite Rendition Originally by: The TX However - isn't this stuffing CCP a bit, or does it all work out the same for them? Yes, it's pretty much stuffing CCP. Their operations in London are for all practical purposes in Euros even if the UK is still on GBP, and even though Iceland is not part of the EU their cost of doing business there is still tied mostly to the Euro if only due to location. By paying in USD, you're basically paying CCP 25% less(i.e. stiffing them) and cheating your government out of taxes at the same time. It's not a good situation for CCP. What would be ideal for them is raising the price of EVE for US players, but the market isn't going to support a $20/month MMO which becomes $40/month for the many players with 2 accounts. $20/month would cause them to hemorrhage a large number of players who pay in USD. Wrong. If you buy gtc from shattercrystal, in all respects you may as well be an american gamer (in terms of payment and tax), so ccp gets that $15 a month (minus the fee to SC oc). If you live in europe and pay for your game time using ccp's system in euros, ie 15euros a month, then tax gets applied and ccp still ends up with the same amount of cash. The difference is tax, ccp makes about the same amount from eu and us gamers, just if all the eu guys buy from SC then the relevant government looses out of NOT ALOT of tax. CCP is the same either way in terms of income. Lol
MrBadidea Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.02.28 05:10:00 - [19] If CCP are getting stiffed by people paying USD insted of Eur/GBP etc, then they would have raised the USD subscription fee. As for myself, I have no option but to use SC to buy my timecodes, as they're the only reliable supplier I know of that will accept Paypal, and provide instant delivery after your first order. I have no debit/credit card, so I have no other choice. --- MrBadidea's ePeen strikes YOUR EGO Wrecking for EMOCIDE
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.28 07:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Dakath I ask because my financial institution blocks credit card transactions outside the U.S.A. due to frequent fraud. I couldn't just let this wonderful trolling opinion to slip up. Your saying that REST of world has MOAR CC frauds AND security leaks than you guys? Oh boy.. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of gold"
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.02.28 08:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Panzerr Correct me if I'm wrong : CCP still charges the VAT(IVA,TVA) for any purchase within EU's territory, even if the EU canceled that law regarding this tax. Source ? You're just one of the many I have heard say this, so I'm really starting to wonder wether it's actually true or not. Even made a brand new thread about it : Linkage 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:04:00 - [22] Originally by: Kuolematon Originally by: Dakath I ask because my financial institution blocks credit card transactions outside the U.S.A. due to frequent fraud. I couldn't just let this wonderful trolling opinion to slip up. Your saying that REST of world has MOAR CC frauds AND security leaks than you guys? Oh boy.. That's not what it says at all. It says that most people are likely to use their CC in the country in which they reside. It's fairly common for alot of banks to at least phone you to confirm if your CC is used overseas. I generally get the bank phoning me if large amounts start going on my CC from other countries, and I don't live in the USA.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:09:00 - [23] When CCP launched Eve, the Euro was slightly stronger than the USD. Not by very much, but enough to cover for the fact that CCP has to pay VAT for all its Euro based players. Now this is not the case CCP get the same number of Euros from Euro players, but they get less from USD paying players (which includes every non-euro player). Basically, the amount people in the US pay, has remained the same for them, but gone down for CCP. If CCP put this up, they would probably lose subscribers. If they put the Euro price down, they would lose money, and if exchange rates reversed, they would lose subscribers if they put it up again. If CCP leave the status quo, some people will buy GTCs, but if the exchange rates cause GTCs to cost more in your home country at some point in the future, they escape the blame. So the only way for CCP to win, is to do nothing. Yes. They will get less money from you if you buy GTCs using USD instead of paying in Euros. You will pay less, they get less. Though you personally are then up for the VAT, but even if you are a good little euro citizen and pay it, you will still be up for less total.
Call'Da Poleece	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 28/02/2008 08:39:13 Originally by: Panzerr Correct me if I'm wrong : CCP still charges the VAT(IVA,TVA) for any purchase within EU's territory, even if the EU canceled that law regarding this tax. Source ? You're just one of the many I have heard say this, so I'm really starting to wonder wether it's actually true or not. Even made a brand new thread about it : Linkage Originally by: Sikozu Prioris If you buy gtc from shattercrystal, in all respects you may as well be an american gamer (in terms of payment and tax), so ccp gets that $15 a month (minus the fee to SC oc). If you live in europe and pay for your game time using ccp's system in euros, ie 15euros a month, then tax gets applied and ccp still ends up with the same amount of cash. The difference is tax, ccp makes about the same amount from eu and us gamers, just if all the eu guys buy from SC then the relevant government looses out of NOT ALOT of tax. CCP is the same either way in terms of income. That WOULD have been true a couple of years ago, when the USD was still relatively strong. Right now, even if we take into account Iceland's non-reduced VAT rate (24.5%) instead of the VAT of the country the consumer lives in (varies, but usually lower than 24.5%), at the current exchange rates, that's still aprox 17.9 USD (+ aprox 4.4 USD VAT = aprox 15 EUR) charged for EU players. So, right now, EU players pay at least 20% extra, THEN also the VAT, for almost 50% more in total, compared to a non-EU resident. Indeed, the reason I buy GTC from Shattered Crystal is that it is lots cheaper .... its nothing to do with convenience or anything else, cheep cheep cheep
Estel Arador Minmatar Damage over Time Angels Of Discord	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Akita T So, right now, EU players pay at least 20% extra, THEN also the VAT, for almost 50% more in total, compared to a non-EU resident. I must object. It's not the EU players who are paying extra, but all others who are paying too little.
Jonny MoJo Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:47:00 - [26] You guys are all idiots. Why would CCP care too much for exchange rates? You want them to change prices every month? What if tommorow the euro collapsed, then people will be saying "omg american dollah is rip off, euro pay less". Welcome to real world. You think you are along saving money by dealing in another currency? Real life people put their savings into different currency for different intrest rates etc and long term currency markets always go up and down. You guys are only focusing on the down. Refresh for next Real life CCP Sig(21 Total)
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.02.28 10:01:00 - [27] Edited by: Akita T on 28/02/2008 10:04:39 Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Akita T So, right now, EU players pay at least 20% extra, THEN also the VAT, for almost 50% more in total, compared to a non-EU resident. I must object. It's not the EU players who are paying extra, but all others who are paying too little. Or you can look at it that way too Originally by: Jonny MoJo Why would CCP care too much for exchange rates? You want them to change prices every month? Why not ? They could list a certain price, say, 1234 Iceland Kronur, and charge whatever the hell that costs in your local currency at the time being. P.S. Coincidentally, 1234 ISK (the real-life currency) is worth around 18.6 USD right now. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.28 10:30:00 - [28] The fact CCP still expect people from the UK to pay the premium we do when there's much cheaper options available is a joke tbh Fight Piracy - Encourage PvP in Lowsec!
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.02.28 11:28:00 - [29] First off, yes I have exploited the ****-poor dollar and used ShatteredCrystal (very friendly caller by the way) to bolster my accounts. Even when I pay the taxes the savings are quite substantial. EU economy is doing far better than the US at the moment so why not help our brothers in the colonies out for a spell, I am sure they will come back with a vengeance and help us if the need arise. Nearly all internet companies 'round-up' to the local currency, be it GBP or Euro - it just looks neater to have 14.95 across the board instead of constantly changing the numbers to comply with currency exchange rates (when the pricing was set 4-5 years ago the Dollar/Euro ratio was a lot different) At present the EvE price in Euro is 27% higher than the US Dollar price (after subtracting VAT 17.5%) - question whether it is reasonable is subjective. Being Danish I am accustomed to thinking in terms of "The Greater GoodÖ" so don't really mind but considering the difference twixt the currencies today (and the amount of threads it spawns) it might be worth it for CCP to revisit the pricing for the EU zone. I feel sorry for my British brethren as they do generally tend to be charged a fair bit above everyone else for pretty much all goods - must be the whole island import thing :) The End: Until the power that be get their thumbs out the best we Euro consumers can do is to go out and buy a US made item in order to strengthen their economy (or buy from 3rd party vendors, but remember to include the purchase when you file your taxes).
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.02.28 12:27:00 - [30] id buy time codes there.. but as i use a Virtual Credit Card to pay online.. i would have to change CC info all the time (as the card only lasts for 40 days.. then i need to make a new one) and they would have to call me every time i wanted to buy a card. ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"

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