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Ban Shui Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:13:00 - [1] I was wondering what is the highest dps that I can get from a battleship not faction or T2 at 250km. I assume it is a cruise raven with four BCS II. But can any turret ships outdo that? Thanks
Perfect Diamond	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:42:00 - [2] I didn't know that cruise missiles could travel that far. Skeptical. But, if I had to put my money on it without doing some math, i would say mega?
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:47:00 - [3] Yeah it is the cruise Raven by some margin. The Apoc will do comparable dps out to 200km if and when the changes go through. Worth remembering that all the advantages of guns at range completely outweigh a cruise Raven regardless of dps though. :P --------------- you all smell!
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:54:00 - [4] The Rokh can hit out to 250km with ease not sure on the damage but it can do it with a much less compromised setup than anything else as it wont need as many tracking comps etc. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:04:00 - [5] The damage is poor and since the introduction of scripts it also means a gimped fit. --------------- you all smell!
Gwendion Gallente No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:12:00 - [6] warning a bit of EFT warrioring Add: yes I know it doesnt mirror reality, but it CAN do the math for us Note: Your dumb if you use the setups here, seriously Note 2: Theoretically the average damage is calculated, which over say, 1000 battles, will be about right Note 3: So yeah =) So.. doing a bit of EFTing with regards to the above Taking an unrealistic Raven yeah it does the most damage.. (see below) Also be aware, a Mega, cant actually reach 250km, 241 is max, but yeah.. Taking an Unrealistic Mega/4x Mag, 3x Track Enhance, 1x Track Comp, 3x Sensor Boost + Spike, does 354 Taking an unrealistic Rokh/4x Mag, 1x RC, 4x Track Comp, 2x Sens Boost + Dread Iridum does 340 Both ranges are identical, 211+30 (so effectivly 240km, Rokh with spike can EASILY hit 250 + tank btw) While the raven does more damage in EFT/Paper.. Uh, theyre bloody missiles, you know how long the flight time will be in a fleet battle? Even if your FO calls 7 primaries in advance, and you target the 7th, you aint hitting anything. Not at that range anyways. Do you mean most damage at 150km? ie the range most fleet battles actually happen? :P Im sure I can pop out a decent Rokh setup that does it due to the massive range and the ability to use better ammo @ range.. But yeah, Ravens arent used much due to the flight time. I have seen them used as calvary (yea oldskool raven calvary!) and rushed in secondary to the front lines at shortish range (0-50) along with close range Hyps/Megas/Armgs) Again.. Math only, does not equate reality. Those are THEORETICAL only.
Ban Shui Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Gwendion Do you mean most damage at 150km? ie the range most fleet battles actually happen? :P Im sure I can pop out a decent Rokh setup that does it due to the massive range and the ability to use better ammo @ range.. But yeah, Ravens arent used much due to the flight time. I have seen them used as calvary (yea oldskool raven calvary!) and rushed in secondary to the front lines at shortish range (0-50) along with close range Hyps/Megas/Armgs) Again.. Math only, does not equate reality. Those are THEORETICAL only. Yeah, I did mean 250km, and it is a bit of a hypothetical (and not taking missile flight time into account)...
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.02.28 04:08:00 - [8] Well this is the raven I use.... 2 senor Boosters - 3 BCU's - 3 missile Velocity Rigs - max missile skills = happy raven 8) What does this thing do? Lock at 249.9km - check Be able to hit at 249.9km - check.... actually near 350km dont slow down and turn inties muahahahaha. Be able to hit before tacklers die? - check. Missiles do near 13km/sec. Dampen target for locking time. Missiles hit before they get lock..... happy tacklers, dead targets. That is why the raven is the best sniper in the game. I challenge ANY fleet of 40 or more ships against the same number of ravens..... lets see who wins 8). WildCat
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.02.28 04:12:00 - [9] No ship can damage a ship 250km away
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.02.28 04:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu No ship can damage a ship 250km away Have you ever killed a ship 340km from you before? I have. Imagine this.... Interceptor is tackling a raven. I nuet it and shoot at it. He starts running away with my missiles doing minimal damage do it. At 250km I lose lock but missile are still following. At 320km he slows down and turns....... muahahaha Missile hit him.... pop! Warp to wreck, loot 8). My record is a kill at 347km. So dont give me that crap.... this statement really shows how little people understand missiles and ravens. WildCat
Willy Joe	Posted - 2008.02.28 04:47:00 - [11] Originally by: DHB WildCat Originally by: Atsuko Ratu No ship can damage a ship 250km away Have you ever killed a ship 340km from you before? I have. Imagine this.... Interceptor is tackling a raven. I nuet it and shoot at it. He starts running away with my missiles doing minimal damage do it. At 250km I lose lock but missile are still following. At 320km he slows down and turns....... muahahaha Missile hit him.... pop! Warp to wreck, loot 8). My record is a kill at 347km. So dont give me that crap.... this statement really shows how little people understand missiles and ravens. WildCat As far as i know missiles do not deal damage once they go past your locking range which is capped at 250 km... amirite ?
Anders Illyr	Posted - 2008.02.28 04:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Willy Joe As far as i know missiles do not deal damage once they go past your locking range which is capped at 250 km... amirite ? If BURN EDEN says a raven's missiles go past 250km I'm inclined to belive em. They're BURN EDEN FFS!
Stuart Price Caldari Havoc Inc Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.28 05:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu No ship can damage a ship 250km away Given that Burn Eden have been Masters Of Raven Experimentation for around 4 years at least I'm inclined to believe him. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Phoenicia Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.28 05:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Anders Illyr If BURN EDEN says a raven's missiles go past 250km I'm inclined to belive em. They're BURN EDEN FFS! Hey, BURN EDEN is just like us guys, they put their pants on- one leg at a time. Except, when their pants are on, they blow sh*t up! I'm gonna have to try this, despite my FC eating me alive for my 'fleet Raven' :p
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.28 05:33:00 - [15] raven, my cruise go like 190kmish. cal bs 3, missile projection 3, missile bombardment 5. max skills and 3 speed rigs, over 350km. 370ish mixing and matching rigs (flight speed/time). next closest would be rohk, or trinity 1.1 apoc. most snipers try to operate at about 150km though.
Damned Force Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:55:00 - [16] All ships do 0 DPS at 250km, because the max locking range is 249.99km :) But on max locking range a maxed skill pilot with a t2 fitted raven could do around 450 dps And a rokh could do around 320 dps Sure u can get higher numbers with rigs, implants and faction/officer fitting
Kunming The Coalition Of Buccaneers Mercenary Services	Posted - 2008.02.28 11:36:00 - [17] Missiles still do dmg couple seconds after you lose lock of the ship. I observed this with stealth bombers when u still did dmg after u cloaked and lost lock. I'm not sure about the exact time ur missles are still active, though it could be up to 10secs I guestimate. So the Burn Eden guy is probably right. Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
Iteken Hotori Minmatar Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.28 11:41:00 - [18] Originally by: Phoenicia Originally by: Anders Illyr If BURN EDEN says a raven's missiles go past 250km I'm inclined to belive em. They're BURN EDEN FFS! Hey, BURN EDEN is just like us guys, they put their pants on- one leg at a time. Except, when their pants are on, they blow sh*t up! I'm gonna have to try this, despite my FC eating me alive for my 'fleet Raven' :p NO. :p
Stoffl Free Mercenaries Union	Posted - 2008.02.28 11:47:00 - [19] Originally by: Kunming Missiles still do dmg couple seconds after you lose lock of the ship. I observed this with stealth bombers when u still did dmg after u cloaked and lost lock. I'm not sure about the exact time ur missles are still active, though it could be up to 10secs I guestimate. At least with the bombers, not really. :/ Yes, you will do damage if your missiles hit 2-3 seconds after you pressed cloak. After some testing i came to the folowing conclusion: As long as the cloak ANIMATION is running, your missiles will do damage....and ships vanish from overview before the cloaking-animation itself is finished.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.02.28 12:12:00 - [20] I'm more inclined to believe BE in regards to Ravens than anybody else, really.
NeoTheo Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.28 13:12:00 - [21] Edited by: NeoTheo on 28/02/2008 13:12:51 Originally by: DHB WildCat Well this is the raven I use.... 2 senor Boosters - 3 BCU's - 3 missile Velocity Rigs - max missile skills = happy raven 8) What does this thing do? Lock at 249.9km - check Be able to hit at 249.9km - check.... actually near 350km dont slow down and turn inties muahahahaha. Be able to hit before tacklers die? - check. Missiles do near 13km/sec. Dampen target for locking time. Missiles hit before they get lock..... happy tacklers, dead targets. That is why the raven is the best sniper in the game. I challenge ANY fleet of 40 or more ships against the same number of ravens..... lets see who wins 8). WildCat no offense, but i call BS. far as i am aware missiles lose the ability to lock there target if the ship firing them looses lock. sorry, smells of BS to me. to be fair, i think its is a relativly recent change. i am not apposed to stand down if i am wrong, but ill need RECENT proof. ------- woot a sig ------- Linkage
Xanos Blackpaw Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.02.28 13:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Kunming Missiles still do dmg couple seconds after you lose lock of the ship. I observed this with stealth bombers when u still did dmg after u cloaked and lost lock. I'm not sure about the exact time ur missles are still active, though it could be up to 10secs I guestimate. So the Burn Eden guy is probably right. its not that long...2.5 seconds i counted it to Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi".
NeoTheo Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.28 13:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Originally by: Kunming Missiles still do dmg couple seconds after you lose lock of the ship. I observed this with stealth bombers when u still did dmg after u cloaked and lost lock. I'm not sure about the exact time ur missles are still active, though it could be up to 10secs I guestimate. So the Burn Eden guy is probably right. its not that long...2.5 seconds i counted it to ill test tonight on sisi ;) and appologise if wrong :P /Theo ------- woot a sig ------- Linkage
Ban Shui Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.02.28 13:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw its not that long...2.5 seconds i counted it to I have heard of people being hit by missiles after entering pos shields, thought they might have been hit in that 2.5 second period. Then again, I can't see why wildcat would be lying...
NeoTheo Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Ban Shui Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw its not that long...2.5 seconds i counted it to I have heard of people being hit by missiles after entering pos shields, thought they might have been hit in that 2.5 second period. Then again, I can't see why wildcat would be lying... maybe its a lag thing, but i thought the missiles are supposed to loose lock if you do. at least thats supposed to be the case thesedays. ------- woot a sig ------- Linkage
Tash Quadran	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:16:00 - [26] Originally by: DHB WildCat Originally by: Atsuko Ratu No ship can damage a ship 250km away Have you ever killed a ship 340km from you before? I have. Imagine this.... Interceptor is tackling a raven. I nuet it and shoot at it. He starts running away with my missiles doing minimal damage do it. At 250km I lose lock but missile are still following. At 320km he slows down and turns....... muahahaha Missile hit him.... pop! Warp to wreck, loot 8). My record is a kill at 347km. So dont give me that crap.... this statement really shows how little people understand missiles and ravens. WildCat How? Tested it on EFT: - 3x BCU II - 2x SB II (range script) - 6x T2 Cruise Launcher w/ precision missiles - 2x T2 missile rig - 1x T2 missile rig - All level V char - Implant for increased flight time (+5%) Maximum flight distance: velocity * flight time = 12903 m/s * 15.75s = 203.2km Or do you need flight time mods/rigs ?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:25:00 - [27] Originally by: Tash Quadran Edited by: Tash Quadran on 28/02/2008 14:18:00 Originally by: DHB WildCat Originally by: Atsuko Ratu No ship can damage a ship 250km away Have you ever killed a ship 340km from you before? I have. Imagine this.... Interceptor is tackling a raven. I nuet it and shoot at it. He starts running away with my missiles doing minimal damage do it. At 250km I lose lock but missile are still following. At 320km he slows down and turns....... muahahaha Missile hit him.... pop! Warp to wreck, loot 8). My record is a kill at 347km. So dont give me that crap.... this statement really shows how little people understand missiles and ravens. WildCat How? Tested it on EFT: - 3x BCU II - 2x SB II (range script) - 6x T2 Cruise Launcher w/ precision missiles - 2x T2 missile rig - 1x T2 missile rig - All level V char - Implant for increased flight time (+5%) Maximum flight distance: velocity * flight time = 12903 m/s * 15.75s = 203.2km Or do you need flight time mods/rigs ? Edit: even with flight time rigs on it (2x T2 and 1x T1) you get maximum flight time of 216.3km... try with standard/faction cruise missiles, no implants, all rigs used were t1 I get 190kmish. cal bs 3, missile projection 3, missile bombardment 5. no rigs max skills and 3 speed rigs, a bit over 350km. max skills also gets 370km with 2 flight speed 1 flight time rigs. ffs he is burn eden
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:56:00 - [28] Originally by: DHB WildCat That is why the raven is the best sniper in the game. I challenge ANY fleet of 40 or more ships against the same number of ravens..... lets see who wins 8). WildCat 40 gunships vs 40 Ravens would depend a lot on the quality of the support and anti-support that's with them. If the Ravens can keep their primary scrambled long enough for the missiles to hit and have a good deal of salvo coordination (i.e. not wasting missiles on targets that are about to die), then yes they could very well dominate fleet battles at absolutely stupid ranges. I think the reason that they're not more popular is the number of variables involved; the instant the gun battleships can warp off and warp back to avoid missile fire the Ravens become pretty much useless. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:18:00 - [29] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 28/02/2008 17:18:42 Three little known facts about missiles! 1. If you shoot at a tempest at a pos, and he runs back into the shields thinking he is safe, proceed to laugh as they continue to hit him and do damage as he explodes in the shields 8). 2. Missiles have rediculous ranges! They do not lose lock as long as you are still on grid, even if you do not have your target locked the missiles are still giving chase. Laugh as the little interceptor turns at 300km away to come back and tackle you again only to realize the missiles caught him and popped him. 3. If you are aligned to a gang mate while shooting a target on the gate.... then warp to that gang member, you will lose lock. However since you did not leave grid or cloak those missiles still in flight will continue to hit the enemy and deal damage. WildCat
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:41:00 - [30] Those are some interesting tidbits Wildcat. Thanks for those.... -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:49:00 - [31] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 28/02/2008 17:18:42 Three little known facts about missiles! 1. If you shoot at a tempest at a pos, and he runs back into the shields thinking he is safe, proceed to laugh as they continue to hit him and do damage as he explodes in the shields 8). 2. Missiles have rediculous ranges! They do not lose lock as long as you are still on grid, even if you do not have your target locked the missiles are still giving chase. Laugh as the little interceptor turns at 300km away to come back and tackle you again only to realize the missiles caught him and popped him. 3. If you are aligned to a gang mate while shooting a target on the gate.... then warp to that gang member, you will lose lock. However since you did not leave grid or cloak those missiles still in flight will continue to hit the enemy and deal damage. WildCat A Seiged Pheonix vs a Matrical with a MWD on stopped in a pos is much funnier :colbert:
Shedhead	Posted - 2008.02.28 18:12:00 - [32] I am an expert at easy mode fighting and i have to say that ravens KICK ASS AT LONG RANGE AND EVERY OTHER RANGE, F1-F8 FTW.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.02.28 18:51:00 - [33] Originally by: Shedhead I am an expert at easy mode fighting and i have to say that ravens KICK ASS AT LONG RANGE AND EVERY OTHER RANGE, F1-F8 FTW. I know most of the time I'm in a raven I hit F1 - F6. Usually the F-7 and F-8 are not useful for shooting people in the beginning of a battle (Usually it's a neut/smartbomb, double neut, or double smartbomb)
Everyone Dies Caldari Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.02.28 19:06:00 - [34] Edited by: Everyone Dies on 28/02/2008 19:09:19 Dunno what you guys are talking about but a tempest or megathron are way better fleet snipers than a raven, most if not all FCs should kick all missiles users out of the fleet because for fleet sniping insta-damage is everything. guns do way more dps too. only caldari noobs think that their raven is a viable fleet sniper. megathron with spike can kill a raven at 200km before a raven can scratch it's paint.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.28 19:22:00 - [35] Originally by: Everyone Dies guns do way more dps too. Quote: megathron with spike can kill a raven at 200km before a raven can scratch it's paint. Actually, raven will tank that mega almost forever, since he can fit tank and shoot far. Not trying to say that raven is usable as fleet sniper, but you should really learn to play before coming to forums and making bold statements. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
velmistr Ecco Caldari InNova Tech Inc Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.28 21:52:00 - [36] Originally by: DHB WildCat Well this is the raven I use.... 2 senor Boosters - 3 BCU's - 3 missile Velocity Rigs - max missile skills = happy raven 8) What does this thing do? Lock at 249.9km - check Be able to hit at 249.9km - check.... actually near 350km dont slow down and turn inties muahahahaha. Be able to hit before tacklers die? - check. Missiles do near 13km/sec. Dampen target for locking time. Missiles hit before they get lock..... happy tacklers, dead targets. That is why the raven is the best sniper in the game. I challenge ANY fleet of 40 or more ships against the same number of ravens..... lets see who wins 8). WildCat Hmmm.... I did check it :( 2 sensor booster IIs with range script gives you about 228km locking range. With signal amplifier II in low it is 249km. Speed of cruise missile with 3x bcus, 3x hydraulic bay thrusters about 11906 m/s. Range is about 357 km with lvl 5 skills. However it is interesting setup. How do you fit the rest? Like this: 3XBallistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II Damage Control II 2XSensor Booster II,Targeting Range Large Shield Booster II Photon Scattering Field II 2XInvulnerability Field II 6XCruise Missile Launcher II,Wrath Cruise Missile E500 Prototype Energy Vampire 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction 3XHydraulic Bay Thrusters I Drones: 3x heavy shield maintain. bots? tyvm Quote: Weirdtopia > i need help in eve Bloodspoon > ...you installed eve? Weirdtopia > ya 14 day trial Bloodspoon > did you unistall WoW Weirdtopia > no Bloodspoon > then i can't help ya
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.28 23:27:00 - [37] Edited by: Ogul on 28/02/2008 23:27:38 Originally by: DHB WildCat 3. If you are aligned to a gang mate while shooting a target on the gate.... then warp to that gang member, you will lose lock. However since you did not leave grid or cloak those missiles still in flight will continue to hit the enemy and deal damage. Last time I checked missiles stopped doing damage as soon as any warp command was given. Has that changed since then? --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.

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