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Relyndrel
Gallente
Zozekraku Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.28 13:17:00 -
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Greetings.
I recently started this alt in an effort to make the game more interesting for myself by thrusting myself into lowsec with a brand new character with ZERO funding from my main.
However I am relatively new to the details of lowsec ISK making practices (other than the obvious piracy).
I'm doing level 1s to pass the time while some crucial skills are in training that I will need to even bother attempting to fight anyone else and I've already noticed that in my 0.1 sec system the level 1 missions pay damn near 2 to 3 times more than high sec missions of the same level.
I haven't bothered to check the rats in the belts, however, cause I know that in a frigate speed tanking is the way to go to even bother with the rats in lowsec. My question to the veterans are what is more profitable (assume empty systems for hours on end): lowsec ratting, or lowsec missiong?
Consider that I am doing level 1s and don't have a desire to jump into a cruiser any time soon to do 2s unless necessary.
I'm moreso asking to see if ratting would be better than doing level 2s.
So far so good! It's a refreshing experience to jump into lowsec less than a day after creating an alt and feel what it's like to be a true budding pirate. Absolutely no help from a main, and never will. Will not run an alt just to make money in highsec to transfer to him in lowsec. This is a true lowsec survival experiment.
Thanks for any and all responses!
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Jameroz
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.02.28 13:23:00 -
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Perhaps ratting will make you more money... especially the high-end cruiser mods are expensive.
It's hard to compare. 
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Shanur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.02.28 15:09:00 -
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In theory missioning will give you much better rewards than ratting. HOWEVER, to do so in low sec means that you will have to interrupt your mission frequently because of pirates looking for trouble. This means you will spend a lot of time being non productive, especially because you have to err on the side of caution because to do higher level missions means you have to fly costly sluggish ships.
That means that while missioning will be more rewarding if you have a 100% guarantee you can do so uninterrupted, ratting in low sec wins hands down in the more realistic situation of you flying in uncontrolled space having no protection other than what you bring with you, the fact that belt rats can be taken on with a frigate that with some small preparation can make it out to a safespot even if your first warning about a pirate is the flashy red appearing on overview, and the fact that your profit will come from high bounties and the ocasional high value loot rather than volume and salvage make. Ratting is more about short stints in very exposed territory for high rewards rather than an extended stint in moderately exposed territory for reward over time. The former works much better in an environment where you can be "visited" at any time.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.28 15:44:00 -
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level 1s vs lowsec ratting
ratting
level 2s, vs ratting
again i will say ratting
level 3s vs low sec ratting
can go either way, if you have LOTS of belts then maybe ratting, but probably missions
level 4s vs ratting
level 4s
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.28 17:10:00 -
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Ironically I would assume that ratting in 0.0 would be safer than low-sec due to alliance control & permission semantics. You have to deal with every pirate and his dog in low-sec, who will all behave differently towards you, whereas if you're "made blue" to the incumbent alliance in a 0.0 sector and stick to the rules I assume you would be as safe there as in high-sec, possibly even moreso if you're flying something worth suicide ganking.
That opinion could be wrong though - just my intepretation based on research.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.02.28 18:04:00 -
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The dangers of lowsec change vastly depending on where you are.
One thing to keep in mind in addition to the standard loot/bounties you get from lowsec ratting, there's the possibility of faction spawns. For awhile I was doing lowsec ratting and making a fairly decent profit...then I ran across a Guristas Standard Missile Launcher which I sold for 40 mil.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.28 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 28/02/2008 18:30:59
 Originally by: Kahega Amielden
The dangers of lowsec change vastly depending on where you are.
One thing to keep in mind in addition to the standard loot/bounties you get from lowsec ratting, there's the possibility of faction spawns. For awhile I was doing lowsec ratting and making a fairly decent profit...then I ran across a Guristas Standard Missile Launcher which I sold for 40 mil.
*cough* low-grade implants *cough*
and faction items can drop, even from highsec rats
oh and the standard loot/salvage is good.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.02.28 18:34:00 -
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*cough* low-grade implants *cough*
and faction items can drop, even from highsec rats
1) What about implants?
2) Faction items can drop from hisec rats, but then you get jack **** for bounties/normal loot.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.02.28 19:06:00 -
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and faction items can drop, even from highsec rats
In my first week with this character (rolled to be a CEO) I was scouting belts in 0.5 systems to see what ores and rats they had, looking for a good system to make my corp's base. One of the first belts I warped to had a Dark Blood punisher-class spawn that dropped a Cruor blueprint worth dozens of millions of ISK.
Though typically all you get in high-sec commander spawns is some faction small ammo.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.02.28 19:09:00 -
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In response to the original question: Note that there are some really great mission hubs in lowsec, but the better they are, the more people will be there. And these people will be in an alliance or at least an informal ally network with a chat channel for reporting on the movements of strangers such as yourself. So yes, the missions are lucrative, but the better they are the more likely you are to get killed by the system's residents.
You can kill battlecruiser-sized rats with a T1-fitted Rifter, and you can kill them rather quickly if you bring a couple of friends along. That's what I would do -- ninja rat in a small gang.
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Relyndrel
Gallente
Zozekraku Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.04 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Relyndrel on 04/03/2008 15:14:45
Edited by: Relyndrel on 04/03/2008 15:13:38
Thanks for all the wonderful feedback guys!
I've been ratting for days in a 0.1 system. Got ganked once cause I wasn't paying attention but I get the last laugh considering I'm ratting in an incursus with a setup totalling around 400k ISK or lower LOL.
Meanwhile a 2 BC spawn gets me near 400k just in bounties, then there is the loot :).
I wait a while to stock up on decent loot and then go a few jumps to a high sec system to set up sell orders and $$$!
Having a ball :)
Bought an Iteron when I came across my first hauler spawn and realized how much space I need to loot those wrecks. 600,000 pyerite my second hauler spawn. Nice near instant cash :).
Thanks again! I see myself doing this for quite a while as it's fun and every time I see a Shadow spawn I get all warm and fuzzy inside.
Best part is these rats are dropping nearly all the mods that are annoying to recollect after a loss in my area of space by the tons. Makes recuperating from a loss MUCH faster.
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Garrulous
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:23:00 -
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How long does it take to be able to rat or mission in 0.1 space?
My character is 4 days old, and i'd love to go, but i've told to not go below 0.5 space.
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Stela'Artois
Los Gordos
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:39:00 -
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To put in my thoughts...
If you are grinding missions for isk, then I would recommend staying in high sec. In the short term you may earn less isk, but level 1-2/3 missions pay relatively small anyway. However, you can burn through them quickly and get to the level 3/4 missions within a decent period of time without dealing with the risk of being probed down by a pirate. Just doing 1 or 2 good level 4 missions (with loot/salvage) can probably cover the amount of isk you wasted by not salvage/looting your level 1-2 missions.
As far as low-sec ratting for isk...yeah, there are good returns, however if you spend enough time in low-sec you >will< eventually lose your ship. So, my advice would be to always fly something disposable...keep checking local, and make a number of safe spots. Also, make sure the system that you are in has somewhere around 8-10 belts...makes the chance of a pirate randomly jumping in on you a bit less.
But remember to set your goals. EvE is nothing without a goal. What is even 100billion isk...if you dont have anything to spend it on.
So...think of where you want your character in a month, 6 months, next year, and then go for that.
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Goose726
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:40:00 -
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If you don't mind me asking, what setup are you using to rat in .1 space and what is your total skill points for the toon? I wouldn't mind changing to low security systems when I get back since there are so many areas that are completley open. I usually RAT in .6 or .5.
Thanks in advance.
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Xyn Rhais
Minmatar
Tessaract
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Posted - 2008.03.06 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Xyn Rhais on 06/03/2008 18:05:13
New character nowadays start with a decent set of skills if you choose the "soldier" profession.
You should be able to rat in lowsec within the first few weeks (don't know about 0.1 but, in 0.4). That being said i do lowsec level 1 missions on this char instead.
I find it very safe, basicly nobody is going to probe a t1 frigate, and if they do it's unlikely they'd catch you, you'll probably be out of there before they get a lock. And if they do catch you you won't lose much :)
I'm also exploring 0.0 in the meanwhile, mostly getting used to gatecamps and how they work. Even done some 0.0 ninja-mining but the minerals just take too much volume and the refining stacks are so big for a frigate :(.
Only got poped once on the way back, i knew there was a camp, but i wasn't used to interdictors so i thought i'd make it back in  .
There's a few good lowsec systems to settle down in, but as much as i'd like to help i don't want them to become overcrowded, as fewer people = safer.
I think it would be a good ideea if us lowsec alt/new players would make a channel for ourselves. Swap tips about surviving and everything. Maybe gang up on a local 4 year-old player some day  .
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.03.06 18:48:00 -
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My character is 4 days old, and i'd love to go, but i've told to not go below 0.5 space.
SP or ISK does not determine how well you survive in lowsec. Your 4 day old character can go into lowsec in survive. You will die a couple times, there are certainly lessons that need to be learned..but cowering in hisec for 3 months wont help you learn them.
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ceyriot
Crimson Rebellion
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
level 1s vs lowsec ratting
ratting
level 2s, vs ratting
again i will say ratting
level 3s vs low sec ratting
can go either way, if you have LOTS of belts then maybe ratting, but probably missions
level 4s vs ratting
level 4s
What he said, i think i need to mention that missions pay the same no matter where you are.
Also, keep in mind that you will almost definitely lose ships ratting, and unless you have really bad missioning skills you shouldn't lose a mission ship.
Unless by lowsec missions you mean lvl 5's...but they're impossible.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:59:00 -
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What he said, i think i need to mention that missions pay the same no matter where you are.
BS.
Lowsec ISK rewards are better, LPs are much better, and I believe salvage/loot is better.
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ceyriot
Crimson Rebellion
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Posted - 2008.03.07 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
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What he said, i think i need to mention that missions pay the same no matter where you are.
BS.
Lowsec ISK rewards are better, LPs are much better, and I believe salvage/loot is better.
Maybe, i haven't checked in a while, it could've changed.
Nevertheless, there still is the risk factor, you're mission ship is probably going to go poof way more times in lowsec than in highsec.
If you manage to not get the combat ship blown up, you still need to transport the salvaged equipment/loot back to highsec to sell it for a better price. This, too, runs the risk of getting blown up...But with more consequences, as you've just lost all those ISKies in one go.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.03.07 00:06:00 -
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Wont happen if you scout. Hell, since almost all gatecamps are on the lowsec side of lowsec-hisec gates, the chances of getting popped are nil.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.07 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 07/03/2008 02:45:18
Originally by: Garrulous
How long does it take to be able to rat or mission in 0.1 space?
My character is 4 days old, and i'd love to go, but i've told to not go below 0.5 space.
don't listen to the rookie chat lies!!!!
they try to be helpful but some are just wayyyy too 
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
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*cough* low-grade implants *cough*
and faction items can drop, even from highsec rats
1) What about implants?
2) Faction items can drop from hisec rats, but then you get jack **** for bounties/normal loot.
was just saying. but the average loot/salvage seems much better in lowsec to me. not to mention you get cruiser/battlecruiser rats
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