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Thenoran
Caldari
Frontier Economics
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Posted - 2008.02.29 22:13:00 -
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Posting in General instead of Ideas & Discussion since its more a point of debate I want to raise and not so much a suggestion.
Currently the Mackinaw has 188 base CPU, which translates to 235 CPU with CPU skill at V.
An Ice Miner II for some <censored> reason needs 66 CPU instead of 60 CPU for ALL the other Strip Miners and Ice Miner I's and the Mackinaw can fit two.
An Ice Mining Upgrade II at lvl 4 skill add 10% to the CPU need for the Ice Miners and require 40 CPU by themselves.
This means you get 66 * 2 * 1.1 * 1.1 + 40 + 40 = 239.72 CPU needed.
As you can see, even at lvl 5 CPU skill, you would be unable to fit the last MLU II, something that all other MINING ships atleast capable of.
Now I may have a +3% CPU implant to allow the second MLU, but that leaves me with less then 1 CPU of space left, so I cannot tank a fly.
Even with +5% CPU implant and lvl 5 mining upgrades skill, you wouldnt be left with much of anything.
Seeing as a Hulk with 3 Ice Miner II's and 2 MLU II's could still hold a reasonable tank (as well being a stronger ship), the Mackinaw should get more CPU so it can atleast beat the Hulk in Ice Mining when it needs to be able to tank a rat or two.
Hulks may not carry the same bonuses for Ice Mining as a Mackinaw but they can fit 3 Ice Miner II's and have a -3% bonus to cycle time so its gets pretty close...too close.
Mackinaws currently cost only a little less then a Hulk but are the only ships in their T1 and T2 class that can not fit the optimal equipment for mining, while they are supposed to be the T2 specialty vessels in...mining!
Note: Fitting a Mackinaw with anything short of 2 Ice Miner II's and 2 MLU II's means you are better off with a Hulk so don't go stating 'get T1 stuff'.
A small CPU boost can't hurt that much can it? Up it to 225 or 240 base hmmm?
Agree? Disagree?
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Gabriel Aaron
Amarr
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.03.01 05:25:00 -
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Signed. Seems silly that a T2 mining ship can't fit T2 mining gear.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.03.01 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 01/03/2008 05:41:50
Yes.
Edit: A KMB-50 will let you fit that second IHU II.
However, there's nothing left to fit any sort of... anything in the mids.
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Manipulator General
o.0
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Posted - 2008.03.01 06:03:00 -
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ccl
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Tyler Rainez
Gallente
Fallen Kings Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.01 06:16:00 -
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Yes more cpu
/signed
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1Evildude
Gallente
Kingdom of Kador
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Posted - 2008.03.01 08:13:00 -
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Game development's --------------> that way
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2008.03.01 08:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jurgen Cartis on 01/03/2008 08:41:01
 Originally by: 1Evildude
Game development's --------------> that way
This is the 4th or 5th time this has been posted. At least once in Ships & Mods, couple of times in Features and Ideas, couple of times in Game Development. We've even gotten a dev response (from Zulupark). . . a few patches ago. We're getting kinda frustrated.
Tbh, stuff like this (and of course, the lure of pewpew) was what drove me from mining to go and actually kill things. Sure, that barge can mine. . . wait what, you want it to be able to tank a fly? You must be mental, a carebearmobile barge cannot be tough! 
Please, 240 or 250 base CPU. Using the same base CPU as the 1-laser Skiff is just an insult to anyone mad enough to mine ice.
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Thenoran
Caldari
The People's Liberation Army
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Posted - 2008.03.01 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jurgen Cartis
Edited by: Jurgen Cartis on 01/03/2008 08:41:01
Originally by: 1Evildude
Game development's --------------> that way
This is the 4th or 5th time this has been posted. At least once in Ships & Mods, couple of times in Features and Ideas, couple of times in Game Development. We've even gotten a dev response (from Zulupark). . . a few patches ago. We're getting kinda frustrated.
Tbh, stuff like this (and of course, the lure of pewpew) was what drove me from mining to go and actually kill things. Sure, that barge can mine. . . wait what, you want it to be able to tank a fly? You must be mental, a carebearmobile barge cannot be tough!
Please, 240 or 250 base CPU. Using the same base CPU as the 1-laser Skiff is just an insult to anyone mad enough to mine ice.
I'm mad enough  , if not just for it being something else then mining Veldspar or Kernite all the time.
Besides, if I want to start up a POS in the future, it would help if I could mine my own ice, for me or the corp 
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