Pages: [1] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
52
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 00:02:00 -
[1] - Quote
CCP enforcing the rules.
Should they enforce the rules to everyone the same way or should they be easier going on some than on others?
Do you believe that every account/player should be faced with the same consequence or does having a certain reputation or status give more leeway in rule enforcement?
If you say there should be more leeway for more prominent figures or longer term players or whatever, how would that look in your point of vieuw?
If you are for one equal enforcement for everyone then please explain why someone who might have contributed a lot to the game shouldn't get away easier with transgressions than others.
|
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
419
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 00:09:00 -
[2] - Quote
I think CCP should hire a retired judge to help with sentencing players, for the crimes and violations they make. disorientating |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
746
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 00:20:00 -
[3] - Quote
rodyas wrote:I think CCP should hire a retired judge to help with sentencing players, for the crimes and violations they make. Judge Judy.
The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Jenshae Chiroptera
457
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 00:57:00 -
[4] - Quote
Every player is a unique and fabulous flower that deserves special treatment, especially the ones that break rules but go around belabouring how EVE is a "Harsh galaxy." Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Karadion
436
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 00:59:00 -
[5] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:rodyas wrote:I think CCP should hire a retired judge to help with sentencing players, for the crimes and violations they make. Judge Judy. Judge Mittani
He is a lawyer afterall. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
1085
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 01:46:00 -
[6] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:CCP enforcing the rules.
Should they enforce the rules to everyone the same way or should they be easier going on some than on others?
Do you believe that every account/player should be faced with the same consequence or does having a certain reputation or status give more leeway in rule enforcement?
If you say there should be more leeway for more prominent figures or longer term players or whatever, how would that look in your point of vieuw?
If you are for one equal enforcement for everyone then please explain why someone who might have contributed a lot to the game shouldn't get away easier with transgressions than others.
What did you do and where did you hide the body? Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Jenshae Chiroptera
457
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 01:48:00 -
[7] - Quote
Seleene wrote:What did you do and where did you hide the body?
He can't tell you that - needs the verdict and sentencing before knowing if the confession is worth it. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Mintrolio
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
311
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 04:20:00 -
[8] - Quote
CONFRIMIGN I AM FEAL GOOD THEN YOU FUR ASK.
ALSO I AM FEALIGN A LITTEL TIERD - HAF BE LONG WEAK. MINTROLIO FUR CSM7 |
Skye Aurorae
No Bull Ships
162
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 05:54:00 -
[9] - Quote
This sounds suspicious Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21, so.. Vote for Scott Manley / Skye Aurorae for CSM 7 An Expert in Dealing with Childish Arguments Over Toys. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=68506 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 06:40:00 -
[10] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Judge Mittani
He is a lawyer afterall. Mittani for CSM chair and supreme court of internet spaceships.
|
|
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
52
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 14:53:00 -
[11] - Quote
It's a pretty simple question yet answering it seems to be too hard.
|
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
198
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 15:30:00 -
[12] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:It's a pretty simple question yet answering it seems to be too hard.
Its a pretty loaded question and answering seems to be a stupid if not redundant idea.
CSM are bound by the EULA, suggest you go read it, then ask CCP about predjudice, that's what binds a CSM not their opinions. Griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.
Stop EvE Apathy |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
52
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 16:03:00 -
[13] - Quote
My personal opinion is same rule applies same for everyone. No exceptions, no leeway. It doesn't matter if you are a few months into the game or if you are Chribba.
Rules can be read by everyone before joining the game and those who haven't read up on them have done so by choice.
Be it they expect to see the same rules as in other MMO's or be it they are just too lazy to read them. The fact remains that when they are available and you don't read up on them then it's by choice.
Therefor not following them is also by choice.
Nowhere in the rules it says that there are special cases for special people, so being milder on some than on others is not an option and wouldn't serve CCP in regards to crowd managing the community.
The fact that some people are much longer in the game does not mean they should be punished harsher or milder in any wway. Not harsher because they have more gametime and thus being more knowledgeable and not milder because of big contributions to the community.
Only possible leeway in my opinion is for new players.
This however isn't a hallpass but merely a small time gap since knowing the rules takes a bit of time. However obvious transgressions like real life threats, trying to hack the server and such should be met with the harshest repurcussion possible.
As you can see, it's pretty easy and straight forward to answer a simple question on a personal basis.
But it seems to me that dodging the socalled "loaded" questions triggers "evasive maneuvering rank 10" .
The question isn't loaded. It's been made loaded by those who chose not to answer it.
|
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
426
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 16:07:00 -
[14] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:rodyas wrote:I think CCP should hire a retired judge to help with sentencing players, for the crimes and violations they make. Judge Judy.
We can watch her sentence other players on our CQ wide screen television, be sweet. disorientating |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
52
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 16:09:00 -
[15] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:CSM are bound by the EULA, suggest you go read it, then ask CCP about predjudice, that's what binds a CSM not their opinions.
EULA, ToS, ToU and forum policy to be a tad more exact.
I read them plus I read them again after every game update since I have to scroll down and agree with it again.
The question asked wasn't directed at CCP. There can be a whole new thread for that if people are so anxious to see how they respond. However they are not as free in answering as CSM's are since the CSM are only bound to a NDA. CCP employees have a bit different sort of contract. Just so you know.
And a CSM is build upon opinions, if you fail to see that you missed more than you can ever fathom.
|
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
199
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 16:29:00 -
[16] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:CSM are bound by the EULA, suggest you go read it, then ask CCP about predjudice, that's what binds a CSM not their opinions. EULA, ToS, ToU and forum policy to be a tad more exact. I read them plus I read them again after every game update since I have to scroll down and agree with it again. The question asked wasn't directed at CCP. There can be a whole new thread for that if people are so anxious to see how they respond. However they are not as free in answering as CSM's are since the CSM are only bound to a NDA. CCP employees have a bit different sort of contract. Just so you know. And a CSM is build upon opinions, if you fail to see that you missed more than you can ever fathom.
CSM White paper wrote:CSM repreSenTaTive ConDuCT
any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. there are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.
The nDa
Csm representatives and alternates must sign a non-disclosure agreement, as all volunteers and affiliates are required to since the proximity of their relationship may expose them to information not intended for public release. Council representatives and alternates are bound by the terms of that agreement, as all other participants are.
The key part being upholding and promoting the EULA as a behavioural standard. Ergo bound by those terms. Thus it is very much directed at CCP as to where any change is afforded.
Since the rulings mentioned (e.g. EULA) don't account for a preferental treatment for anyone (bar perhaps trial members) it means there is an equality in its application.
As such CSM are required to uphold the critereon regardless of personal opinion. Thus a redundant question as a focus for the CSM. And largely I suspect fishing for an excuse to simply jump all over any potential controversial stances.
Considering that for their ongoing buisness interests CCP will unlikley if never introduce a "class" system of preference, and the that the above guidance afforded to CSM is in effect, why would a candidate want to answer such a loaded question as a result?
As such it still appears to me to be a pointless line of questioning when "focussed" at the CSM. But by all means ask away. Griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.
Stop EvE Apathy |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
52
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 16:46:00 -
[17] - Quote
You keep failing to see my point.
Being bound to something doesn't mean it represents your personal point of vieuw. And just that I am asking for.
Having a different point of vieuw doesn't mean you act on it.
I am not asking them to break any rules, I am asking for their own personal take on it. Because let's face it. Every country has laws and rules which some people see as ridiculous, outdated or plain wrong, yet they don't break those laws/rules because of their different take on them.
Isn't the whole CSM debate focussed on getting also personal points of vieuw of the candidates? Doesn't it say a bit more about people if they also dare to express their own visions on things considered controversial by some? Be it in line with the ruling crowd or being at a different stance?
One could say that the one who dares to express his or her own point of vieuw which reflects another side than the mainstream is less of a sheep than the rest. In my own experience the only way to evolve a game but also in real life is to stay open for alternate stances and visions and discuss about them if there are other streams to be considered which can be build on a solid foundation.
I myself are more of a mainstreamer. One of those sheep who hold the rules in high regard.
Yet I am also open for discussion to adjust rules if a new concept is brought forward which has a good backbone and interesting criteria to look at.
|
Sollana
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
213
|
Posted - 2012.02.20 01:03:00 -
[18] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:CCP enforcing the rules.
Should they enforce the rules to everyone the same way or should they be easier going on some than on others?
Do you believe that every account/player should be faced with the same consequence or does having a certain reputation or status give more leeway in rule enforcement?
If you say there should be more leeway for more prominent figures or longer term players or whatever, how would that look in your point of vieuw?
If you are for one equal enforcement for everyone then please explain why someone who might have contributed a lot to the game shouldn't get away easier with transgressions than others.
I believe that CCP is fair, and do actually admit when they are wrong. Most people who have been on the receiving end of there injustice are as much to blame, if not more.
Prominent figures? should be treated the same.
Lets take an example of someone everybody knows.
Chribba, EVE nice guy. But OMG he has a dreadnought in High sec.... but has be broken any rules... no has he engaged in a hostile act with it.... as i am aware asteroids don't file petitions so no.
He has a reputation and is a bit of a folk hero amongst us Amarrians, but he knows that if he abuses that privilege.. that Dread will be concorded or if he jumps it out of amarr it will never be able to return... thats the rules.
no one is above the rules, previous CSMs have fallen because of that, Players exploiting the game fo personal gain, know this.
Act like a fool to gain from exploiting, macroing or RMT'ing.... sorry Kiss your account good bye... |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
53
|
Posted - 2012.02.21 12:12:00 -
[19] - Quote
Allthough some CSM (candidates) pride themselves being masters at controversy I see no evidence of that.
A simple " All rules apply the same for everyone" , or " in my personal opinion the infractions should be looked upon case by case" would have sufficed.
Yet I see no CSM stating their own personal point of vieuw besides one.
Does this mean the personal opinions are void in the CSM or the playerbase?
Is one not allowed to voice his or her personal opinion, even if it goes against or for the rules? Being against certain rules or being willing to discuss certain merits which could result in more soft handling of certain players doesn't automaticly mean we also have to act on it.
However in my own personal experience the only way to look and work forward is by also discussing those things which a lot of people don't dare to discuss. Discussion is the foundation of change. Change is what makes things evolve.
It doesn't mean everything which gets discussed is also open to change, but the avoidance of discussion does merit other things. I am not sure however if that what doesn't get discussed out of fear, neglect or whatever reason benefits from it being hushed down.
|
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.02.21 15:25:00 -
[20] - Quote
If you break a rule, CONCORD should show up at your house. |
|
asidburn Enaka
Alpha Arms and Manufacturing BROTHERHOOD OF DESTRUCTION
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.08 09:01:00 -
[21] - Quote
i just want to let everyone know about this scammer claming to be giving plex for votes dont be caught falling for this scam vote aganist darius III member of interstellar eXodus {IE-EX} they are scaming people pass the word on to everyone you can and vote aganist these undeserving jerks here is a copy of the chat log as proof of there unworthy actions!!!!!!!!
asidburn Enaka > what do i need to do Darius III > http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=480 go there Darius III > vote for me then paste the message you got after vote cast into this chat asidburn Enaka > your vote has been registered. We thank you for your participation. Darius III > Thanks man Darius III > that concludes our business Darius III > Fly safe asidburn Enaka > and what about the contract asidburn Enaka > i will have my alliance vote aganist you about 250 people asidburn Enaka > and then where will you be asidburn Enaka > send me the contract and i will have them vote for you asidburn Enaka > this is what we call a test of charecture Darius III > Have them vote against me Darius III > Sorry for the ssam Darius III > But I wouldnt sleep at night if I didnt do everything in my power to make syure that Goons dont ruin this CSM asidburn Enaka > your an idiot all your going to do is send more votes to the goons Darius III > not really Darius III > Goons will win chairman nbo matetr what, doesnt matter Darius III > nothing can stop them Darius III > and thats a real shame asidburn Enaka > well you just lost 243 votes asidburn Enaka > got 1 lost 243 Darius III > Didnt have them anyway Darius III > didnt lose anything Darius III > Just please dont make forum post about me, it would ruin my campaign asidburn Enaka > not to mentone att the isk spam bans you r about to get asidburn Enaka > too late asidburn Enaka > and i just copyed this conv asidburn Enaka > so i can post Darius III > You wouldnt dare do it Darius III > You too lazy anyway Darius III > I dont have a thing to worry about asidburn Enaka > haha i play eve 8 hrs a day and im retired all i have is time Darius III > no lazy bones like you would waste their time. LOL so much for your empty threats LOL
rember i dont care who you vote for just dont voter for the |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
68
|
Posted - 2012.03.08 15:24:00 -
[22] - Quote
I fail to see the problem there. He isn't doing anything against the rules. Merely working outside your own personal morality.
The fact if an action is against your own morale or not isn't what I was asking for. As long as they are inside the rules set by CCP I only see a discussion about the actions or inactions morality.
My question was about the personal feelings of CSM candidates. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1068
|
Posted - 2012.03.08 20:08:00 -
[23] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:CCP enforcing the rules.
Should they enforce the rules to everyone the same way or should they be easier going on some than on others?
Do you believe that every account/player should be faced with the same consequence or does having a certain reputation or status give more leeway in rule enforcement?
If you say there should be more leeway for more prominent figures or longer term players or whatever, how would that look in your point of vieuw?
If you are for one equal enforcement for everyone then please explain why someone who might have contributed a lot to the game shouldn't get away easier with transgressions than others.
There seems to be an implied "I know of some high profile players getting away with stuff" in here and if that's the case share the dirt brother!
But to answer your question CCP owes every player uniform enforcement of their policies.
Issler |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
68
|
Posted - 2012.03.08 20:48:00 -
[24] - Quote
You draw your own implications.
I on the other hand don't feel the need to name and shame IF I see someone getting away with stuff. There are other ways for that.
I for one follow the rules, this doesn't mean I think all rules are as they should be, but I prefer to have a discussion about a change if I really think I can advocate my perception of a rule which I would like altered or removed.
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |