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Emiko Luan
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
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Posted - 2012.02.19 16:20:00 -
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.... just look at the percentage, then you'll know what type of site it is.
+welcome to my world+
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
329
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Posted - 2012.02.19 16:22:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Sprite Can wrote:This is a torturous and non-sensical design choice that makes probing an utter nightmare. Please give Wormholes and Combat Sites their own signature types. People like you already made wormholes super easy. You are to lazy to use your brain, tricks for finding wormholes and combat sties very quick where already there from almost the beginning now you have that given on silver platter and yet you still whine. Whine whine whine I am to lazy i need everything this instant now without needing to use my brain !! Comfort to me now !!!!!
wow
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
329
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Posted - 2012.02.19 16:24:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:Solinuas wrote:[quote=JitaPriceChecker2][quote=Valei Khurelem]
Technically using your brain is working hard for every living person, i mean have you SEEN how many calories the thing uses in comparison to everything else?!? *high fives knowledgeable person* Nice one, didn't know that myself :) I tend to use my brain to think about art and economics mostly which is why I don't like being annoyed by my games when I'm trying to have a break while doing it. http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistryfaqs/f/caloriethinkfaq.htm < source? http://caloriecount.about.com/thinking-burn-calories-q4079So yeah, **** you, I don't want to waste my brain power on something so useless and we've got scientific evidence to back it up that it does, win! :) Then your are playing the wrong game and you want it it change to carter your own personal needs of being brainless. If you want a quick adrenaline rush i suggest counter-strike. Although i think you would whine there too that you have to aim or move around. GTFO dont spoil the game for the rest of us.
You are trying WAY too hard to project false anger.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
329
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Posted - 2012.02.19 16:25:00 -
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Emiko Luan wrote:.... just look at the percentage, then you'll know what type of site it is.
???? Utterly wrong.
Can a GM just kill this thread with Kindness please ???????
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
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Posted - 2012.02.19 16:48:00 -
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Sorry but they don't care.
WORKING AS INTENDED!
Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |
Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2012.02.19 18:12:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Emiko Luan wrote:.... just look at the percentage, then you'll know what type of site it is. ???? Utterly wrong.Can a GM just kill this thread with Kindness please ???????
Well you tried to kill it with stupid but that didn't work.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.02.19 18:51:00 -
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can we throw in more false singaturs while we are at it?
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Sprite Can
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Posted - 2012.02.19 19:52:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:can we throw in more false singaturs while we are at it?
Yeah, clearly you guys love scanning useless things down so much that it would be a great addition to the game to have false signatures that you can't differentiate from WHs or Combat Sites until 1 or 2 AU, right? How FUN!
Refreshing Lemon-Lime~ |
Selinate
657
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Posted - 2012.02.19 20:42:00 -
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While I agree with all the posts saying that scanning is slightly tedious and could use some changes (I'm still bitter over the starting of needing more than 4 probes out to scan down radar/mag sites successfully in a rigged cov ops), I can give some advice.
If you get enough experience, you start to be able to tell the difference between the different types of sites, including wh's and combat sites, through seeing the scan resolution of that site. It depends on your ship of course, they all tend to scan down at different rates. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.19 20:55:00 -
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You're an explorer aren't you?
How about exploring the wormhole?
Or are you really just a farmer bitching about the weather? |
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Valentyn3
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Posted - 2012.02.19 22:08:00 -
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Sprite Can wrote:Nova Fox wrote:can we throw in more false singaturs while we are at it? Yeah, clearly you guys love scanning useless things down so much that it would be a great addition to the game to have false signatures that you can't differentiate from WHs or Combat Sites until 1 or 2 AU, right? How FUN!
Getting a false positive seems like a thing that could happen in reality. But, ya, not being able to tell a rip in the fabric of space a non-rip in the fabric of space is silly.
And seriously guys, you don't get "mondo cohone" points for being in favor of asinine redundancies. If your time if so invaluable to you then that's your own pathetic issue.
I used to be a Blade Runner like you, then I took an android to the knee... |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
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Posted - 2012.02.19 23:51:00 -
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please make wormholes harder to live in not easier.
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Komen
Capital Enrichment Services
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Posted - 2012.02.20 01:10:00 -
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I and my corp are against this. Stop trying to dumb it down. You get the scan above 25% and you know it's an 'unknown' which is always a wormhole in wormhole systems.
-9 votes for this.
GBTHK. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1250
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Posted - 2012.02.20 02:59:00 -
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Sprite Can wrote:Nova Fox wrote:can we throw in more false singaturs while we are at it? Yeah, clearly you guys love scanning useless things down so much that it would be a great addition to the game to have false signatures that you can't differentiate from WHs or Combat Sites until 1 or 2 AU, right? How FUN!
"Scanning down useless things" would fall under finding a magneto site.
If you scan more and complain less, you will develop a feel for what is a wormhole and what is not by the initial percentage in relation to your AU range in the probes. Much of what is depends on your skills.
Will you follow the advice at least?
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Caldari Citizen20090217
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.02.20 03:24:00 -
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Drop deep space probe and write down all sig strengths.
Scan them all out.
Note the strengths of the types you like.
Go to next system. Drop DSP.
Ignore all with unwanted sig strengths. Scan out the ones with sig strengths close to the ones you want. Theres even guides if you google with the DSP strengths already worked out if that seems like effort.
Watch low-end guristas loot drop in price due to oversupply. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
459
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Posted - 2012.02.20 03:26:00 -
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Roime wrote:Sprite Can wrote:This is a torturous and non-sensical design choice that makes probing an utter nightmare. Please give Wormholes and Combat Sites their own signature types. Why is it torturous? It is already possible to distinguish between sigs on one scan.
If you drop a deep space probe, 4/10 complexes and WH's to C1, C2 and C3 w-systems all have the same exact signal strength, as do 6 different radar, mag and grav sites. How do you distinguish between them in one scan?
Wormholes are the vermin of the sky. A way to avoid the tedium of scanning WH after WH when you have no interest in them is needed.
I propose they be given the type "Unstable" instead of "Unknown".
I am running for the CSM
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=779668#post779668 |
Sprite Can
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Posted - 2012.02.20 03:58:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Roime wrote:Sprite Can wrote:This is a torturous and non-sensical design choice that makes probing an utter nightmare. Please give Wormholes and Combat Sites their own signature types. Why is it torturous? It is already possible to distinguish between sigs on one scan. If you drop a deep space probe, 4/10 complexes and WH's to C1, C2 and C3 w-systems all have the same exact signal strength, as do 6 different radar, mag and grav sites. How do you distinguish between them in one scan? Wormholes are the vermin of the sky. A way to avoid the tedium of scanning WH after WH when you have no interest in them is needed. I propose they be given the type "Unstable" instead of "Unknown".
This.
Refreshing Lemon-Lime~ |
Valentyn3
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Posted - 2012.02.20 04:01:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Roime wrote:Sprite Can wrote:This is a torturous and non-sensical design choice that makes probing an utter nightmare. Please give Wormholes and Combat Sites their own signature types. Why is it torturous? It is already possible to distinguish between sigs on one scan. If you drop a deep space probe, 4/10 complexes and WH's to C1, C2 and C3 w-systems all have the same exact signal strength, as do 6 different radar, mag and grav sites. How do you distinguish between them in one scan? Wormholes are the vermin of the sky. A way to avoid the tedium of scanning WH after WH when you have no interest in them is needed. I propose they be given the type "Unstable" instead of "Unknown".
Well, according to many in this thread you just, gotta get, like, a feeling for it. Ya know? Clairvoyance ftw.
I used to be a Blade Runner like you, then I took an android to the knee... |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity
Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.02.20 04:15:00 -
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crappy prober detected.
all 'unknowns' in whs are whs so this is a non issue anyway :P |
Sprite Can
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Posted - 2012.02.20 04:16:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:crappy prober detected.
all 'unknowns' in whs are whs so this is a non issue anyway :P
It's an issue when your not looking for WHs.
Refreshing Lemon-Lime~ |
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.02.20 05:54:00 -
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Sprite Can wrote:Nova Fox wrote:can we throw in more false singaturs while we are at it? Yeah, clearly you guys love scanning useless things down so much that it would be a great addition to the game to have false signatures that you can't differentiate from WHs or Combat Sites until 1 or 2 AU, right? How FUN!
I bet you if CCP implemented half the changes the people against this wanted they'd end up leaving EVE Online, what you don't realise is that making the game much more tedious to use is not only going to affect everyone else and make them leave but you're also going to leave too when you get on the receiving end as well.
If you're going to pour stupid hate on people for having a certain playstyle or wanting a fun game to play seriously, gtfo of the games industry.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
400
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Posted - 2012.02.20 06:06:00 -
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everyting i start doing something people all jump onto it, whyso many people scanning combat sites now X_X |
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
463
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Posted - 2012.02.20 06:16:00 -
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Are we going to remove Drone cosmic signatures from non-Drone regions too while we're at it? |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.02.20 07:51:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Roime wrote:Sprite Can wrote:This is a torturous and non-sensical design choice that makes probing an utter nightmare. Please give Wormholes and Combat Sites their own signature types. Why is it torturous? It is already possible to distinguish between sigs on one scan. If you drop a deep space probe, 4/10 complexes and WH's to C1, C2 and C3 w-systems all have the same exact signal strength, as do 6 different radar, mag and grav sites. How do you distinguish between them in one scan? Wormholes are the vermin of the sky. A way to avoid the tedium of scanning WH after WH when you have no interest in them is needed. I propose they be given the type "Unstable" instead of "Unknown".
Because they don't have the same sig strenght. Now I assume you explore in hisec, and according to this superb tool by St Mio, 4/10s only share their band with wormholes leading to C3s. The tool has been reliable so far in my experience.
I have made billions and billions from wormholes. They are not the "vermin of the skies", they are beautiful islands among the stars, literally bursting with treasures- and by far the best gaming experiences New Eden has to offer. I explore in w-space, null and lowsec and wormholes are at least as interesting as combat sites.
This "problem" in this thread seems to be related to instant gratification mentality and hisec farming, and I do not wish the game mechanics to be changed to make these attitudes more popular.
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Sprite Can
62
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Posted - 2012.02.20 07:55:00 -
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I do not explore in hisec, I explore in lowsec. I seem to be finding a combat site for every 20 or so wormholes I find, and half of those sites have someone watching them waiting for someone to try to run them so that they can gank. They've yet to succeed in killing me so far, but it does prevent me from running the sites, cutting down my "success rate" to even more abysmal lows.
Refreshing Lemon-Lime~ |
Valei Khurelem
361
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Posted - 2012.02.20 08:04:00 -
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Quote:This "problem" in this thread seems to be related to instant gratification mentality and hisec farming
Stop trying to claim that wanting working game mechanics is about 'instant gratification' and it is a bad thing, you should consider not buying video games if you consider grinding or dealing with tedious UI's to be fun.
Maybe you might find Forex more to your liking, but I doubt you'll be able to take the amount of risk it involves.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
223
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Posted - 2012.02.20 08:58:00 -
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I disagree this being a broken game mechanic.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
461
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Posted - 2012.02.20 15:20:00 -
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Roime wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Roime wrote:Sprite Can wrote:This is a torturous and non-sensical design choice that makes probing an utter nightmare. Please give Wormholes and Combat Sites their own signature types. Why is it torturous? It is already possible to distinguish between sigs on one scan. If you drop a deep space probe, 4/10 complexes and WH's to C1, C2 and C3 w-systems all have the same exact signal strength, as do 6 different radar, mag and grav sites. How do you distinguish between them in one scan? Wormholes are the vermin of the sky. A way to avoid the tedium of scanning WH after WH when you have no interest in them is needed. I propose they be given the type "Unstable" instead of "Unknown". Because they don't have the same sig strenght. Now I assume you explore in hisec, and according to this superb tool by St Mio, 4/10s only share their band with wormholes leading to C3s. The tool has been reliable so far in my experience.
That tool has different strengths than the last one I got, but still shows 4/10 complexes share the same strength as the most common WH, the ones to C3, along with 9 different radar, mag and grav sites. Which means I cannot toss out that sig strength to avoid scanning out WHs without tossing out desirable sites as well.
If I wanted to work a WH, I'd log into my pilot that lives in a WH. The reason I do high sec scanning is I like to mix up my game content, do different things. And scanning out WH after WH is not doing different things.
I am running for the CSM
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=779668#post779668 |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
539
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Posted - 2012.02.20 15:39:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote:Skills + implants/ship bonus = fun Fixed that for you :)
Why are you dividing implants by ship bonus?
I should think ship bonuses would be a positive factor in the equation. :)
tl;dr on the rest of the thread: "I pushed the button, where's my bacon?"
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