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Rastigan
Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.02 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rid**** Valer Assuming that the Muninn has an alpha of 1250, and the Eagle has an alpha of 850, lets look at the following situation.
What ranges are these ? These are the numbers I got with the following set ups. Eagle : 2 SBII's / 2 TC II's / 3 MAGSTAB II's / 1 TE II - 4 250MM II's / 10mn MWDII Munnin: 2 GS II's / 3 TE II's / 2 SB II's / 5 - 720mm II's / 10mn MWD II
In a close range ammo scenario with scripts set for speed and tracking. Munnin 2260Alpha / 327DPS at 32km+22 FO / .047 tracking - 820 scan res (faction EMP used) Eagle 910Alpha / 259DPS at 47km+15 FO / .049 tracking - 702 scan res (faction AM used)
At a long range for the Munnin, medium range for the Eagle Scenario Munnin 1233Alpha / 178 DPS at 102km+22 FO / .047 tracking - 437 scan res (faction carb lead) Eagle 607Alpha / 173 DPS at 105km+15 FO / .04 tracking - 473 scan res (faction lead)
And of course the extreme range eagle Eagle 528Alpha / 150 DPS at 206km+15 FO / .007 tracking - 288 scan res (Spike)
I really dont see a situation under 120km where the Eagle is ever better than the Munnin , this also doesnt take into account that the Munnin has a 25m3 dronebay (which arent used for calculations) doesnt use cap for its guns, and the more nimble autocannon Munnin works MUCH MUCH better than a blaster eagle which needs the skill HAC 5 just to outdps its T1 variant the MOA.
A 5 250mmII Eagle(if it happens) will also have no grid left for tank OR a MWD, which would make the ship even more 1 dimensional.
Regardless a 5 gun Zealot is going to obsolete both ships anyways
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Rastigan
Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
1. We are working on the new 5 turret eagle, not the current 4 turret eagle.
Multiply the Eagles damage by 1.25 to compare it to 5 turrets.
Quote: edit: God, another fool trumpeting the AC muninn. You should pretty much never need to fly an AC muninn over the vagabond. An armor tanked vagabond is better than an AC muninn. An armor tanked vagabond is better than an AC muninn. Let that sink in for a second for what that means.
An AC Muninn is still eleventy billion times a better idea than a blaster Eagle. How is a 5 gun Eagle going to be fit ? I rarely fly Eagles because as it is, its a crappy ship to fly ( I use Vultures instead .)
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Rastigan
Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Rastigan on 03/03/2008 12:48:54
Originally by: Tyr Zewa Same problem the tempest will have next patch. Other ships get boosted over and over again, their weaponry too, and in the end the unboosted ships get left behind.
They arent buffing any other sniping battleship, what problem will the Tempest have ? The only problem the Tempest has is that Minmatar ships are normally the best of each class so they are kind of used to EVERY ship type dominating.
I think the slot layout of the ship sucks 7/3/5 (unbonused missle launchers on a specialized ship are a joke).. would the ship be better if it was 5/4/5, 5/3/6, or if it lost its drone bay for an extra low or medium slot ?
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Rastigan
Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon Edited by: Dromidas Shadowmoon on 05/03/2008 19:57:49 I was 20k away from a covert ops ship that was standing still in my Muninn, with 720's fit and 24k optimal (EMP) and I hit 2 out of 5 shots that took out about 2/3 of its shields, then he jumped to next system before my completely useless missiles could get to him.
You were probably moving fast enough to ruin your shot, you probably would have hit with all guns if you were still.....
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