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Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.04 08:11:00 - [1] Originally by: Ppffffft SJ may be something of a....personality, but he is right. Goon act exactly the same as BoB did prior to destruction of ASCN. Almost word for word sometimes (who knows, maybe thats on purpose) The thing I always find funny is they (goon) talk about RSF, brotherhood, and all that crap with RA, but RA is loyal to one person and one person only, themselves. Once the goons usefulness is gone, or replaced (TRI perhaps?), they are going to be kicked to the curb. If our usefulness was gone and we thus became useless, our relationship with RA would erode over time as we failed to fulfill the implicit terms of being close allies: that you pull your own weight, in the same direction as the others; call it a check on our competence. And frankly, we'll never be like BoB so long as the RSF stands, because we can't be BoB if we admit to having at least two equals. --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.05 09:15:00 - [2] Originally by: Hardin Hang on Jade, I thought you were a strong proponent of people building their own 'reputation' based on their actions in the world of EVE? Now you seem to be indicating that they should be respected simply because they have a 'name' and a 'history'? While Myadra may have a 'name' and a 'history' clearly 'reputation' is another matter, or else the Goons (and many others) wouldn't have found the whole conversation so funny... Do you expect the Goons (as one of EVE's most powerful 0.0 entities) to take Myadra seriously simply because she is a roleplayer if her ingame reputation and power does not reflect the position of authority and behaviour which she is claiming? Would a 'real' Blood Inquisition leader have taken an arrogant attitude when talking to one of the leading 0.0 powers? Possibly if that leader was in a position of authority and power but Myadra (currently) doesn't have that ingame authority. I don't think the approach holds water based on the current ingame realities on either a roleplay or non-roleplay level - unless of course Myadra is deliberately trying to present her character as a crazy, out of touch cultist with no sense of diplomacy - in which case she did very well! To be honest if CCP wrote a storyline where the leader of a 26 man corp was threatening Goons I think the general reaction would be laughter too - because it is the believable (and therefore roleplay realistic) reaction. That is not to say Myadra is wrong in what she has done. It certainly adds colour and spice in the same way that 'Lord Vaari' does We can all make things up, hell I could claim to be the illegitimate son of Emperor Heideran and next in line to the Amarr throne. Simply because it sounds RPish, is written well and comes from someone with an RP background doesn't mean it should be protected from Goons or anyone else if it is clearly out of touch with ingame realities. Wow, this post actually gets at the whole problem of roleplaying in MMOs - roleplayers wanting to impact the world without putting in the effort to make the ingame changes. That's why CVA gets lots of madprops, even from goons, though they're a bunch of ***wad roleplaying momos: CVA is willing and able to make the effort it takes to kick ass and defend themselves. We can work with that. Most roleplayers throw up their hands and cry about how the game isn't conducive to their playing style because they can't be Darth Vader (the OP), or simply isolate themselves entirely from the non-roleplaying community and hide in empire or lowsec (Jade Constantine). Those roleplayers we're going to grief repeatedly. --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.05 09:46:00 - [3] Originally by: Aodha Khan Edited by: Aodha Khan on 05/03/2008 09:35:48 Baxalusx, your actually roleplaying yourself every time to step into Eve. Roleplaying a large alliance trying to obtain power over virtual space, roleplaying politics, roleplaying spaceship combat. You are obviously ignorant of the subject matter, so best keep it shut. As you state, it's fully implicit that everyone who plays EVE is a roleplayer to some degree. Therefore, the term has taken on a different meaning in the specific context of MMO gaming, but if you can't distinguish between an EVE player who identifies himself as a 'roleplayer' and one who does not simply by their behavioral patterns in and outside the game, you are being purposely obtuse and this discussion need continue no further. Essentially, you are an idiot for pointing out something that was already implicitly inferred by virtue of EVE being an MMO. --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.05 09:57:00 - [4] Originally by: Andnowthenews Edited by: Andnowthenews on 05/03/2008 09:47:49 Originally by: Baxalusx Wow, this post actually gets at the whole problem of roleplaying in MMOs - roleplayers wanting to impact the world without putting in the effort to make the ingame changes. I hear there are some scumbags that actually use out of game forums to threadnaught and blackmail changes to the game to help them beat a group of ppl kicking their ass. edit; oh nuts wrong posting dude. Regardless of the fact that your insinuations are factually incorrect: who said out of game means can't affect the in game situation? The metagame is one of the most important aspects of EVE. --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.05 11:31:00 - [5] Edited by: Baxalusx on 05/03/2008 11:31:26 Face it Jade, the only reason you posted that wall of text is because the refusal of acknowledgement of the kind of roleplayers who Myadra represent (the worthless ones, who write long posts and dumb fanfic without making much competent ingame effort) is also a refusal of acknowledgement of you, and general refusal to acknowledge you means you have no worthwhile reputation. That's the problem with your suggestion that we all rely on the judgment of others ("reputation") to determine our own worth: you aren't worth jack ****, and we don't want to end up like you. --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.05 12:59:00 - [6] Edited by: Baxalusx on 05/03/2008 13:01:03 Jade, thank you for proving my point. Your entire wall of text rests on the less than subtle replacement of "refusal of acknowledgement" with "important", and of course, once you realize that, you also realize that you are simply reiterating what I said in the post you responded to. We refuse to acknowledge you because we find your way of playing the game completely without point or merit, yet as I explained, you continue to try to obtain that very thing by proxy through defending the OP, who like you plays the game in a way we find without point or merit, thus why Sesfan dismissed him as a nobody. As for griefing, well, people like you are most easily griefed by ramming my member through the holes in your logic. --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.06 09:21:00 - [7] The reason people without numbers ***** about people with numbers is that they aren't good or charismatic enough leaders to gather and maintain that many people as a cohesive entity. --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.07 08:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer Oh please.... One of the worst types of people in EVE are the Joiners, people who go where the numbers are no matter what.Who chose the statiscally safer option. "Charismatic" leadership? My eye... Nobody cares who you think are the "worst type of people in EVE". Nobody even knows what being the worst type of people in EVE constitutes - worst at what, or in relation to what? Aside from that, calling GS the "statistically safest option" is just a blatant display of stupidity as it should be quite obvious to anyone that GS is not the statistically safest option. --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.07 08:49:00 - [9] Edited by: Baxalusx on 07/03/2008 08:50:40 Originally by: General Windypops Well, actually quite a few people care. I think his views are spot on, and so do most of the Eve community. In my view, Goons are 'the worst type of people in Eve' for very obvious reasons. They have clearly stated themselves that their aim in Eve is to destroy the game for all non-Goons as much as possible. Hence: - the threadnoughts - the posts and sigs mocking the deceased - the frequent racist outbursts and ****ographic image posting - the deliberate use of tactics to maximise lag in system, such as lagging out systems with noob ships. - the metagaming and r/l bullying of people from opposing alliances. So yeah, I'd say that's the worst kid of player in Eve. What makes you think you can speak for "most of the EVE community"? Sure, you and your four-five space pals don't like goons and maybe some people agree with you, but nobody cares about that any more than the other douche I quoted. We define ourselves through being disliked by idiots, because if people like you hate us, we must be doing something right. --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.07 09:16:00 - [10] Originally by: General Windypops Intelligence. Well way to hammer my point home, Pops. :V --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~

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