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Deathblo
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Posted - 2004.04.08 04:58:00 -
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Evil Man......Just plain Evil.
Your corp mates will problably petition to get you banned if its a bad as you say it is. And my guess is that CCP will uphold it, trace your account, see who you transfer the isk too and bann that account too. Exploit defined.
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CT BadIronTree
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Posted - 2004.04.08 05:36:00 -
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you got an OMG tech 2 BP??? 
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Li ShangYin
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Posted - 2004.04.08 06:44:00 -
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Ah dont be to*****y wingnut. I've been around since beta. Thats the beauty of it. With a couple accounts I could be anybody. Just promise me you wont be one of the multitide of whining people who scream about the evil corp thieves ok? I hate whining.
Oh by the way. If a CEO gives someone their signon to use for corp functions and they use it to steal stuff is that considered ingame? I think it is because in real life CEOs often trust minons to do stuff. That just means more money for me. Might as well clean out that bloody stuckup arrogant mr. ceos personal stuff while Im at it. It is ingame after all.
I've got to pickup my slaver. Its been a long time and we need to get reacquanted. Can you guess who I am now?
Nice try, but HG is quite literate and highly discreet, unlike you.
... I wouldn't call HG discreet...
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Enforcer
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Posted - 2004.04.08 09:53:00 -
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Sad, very sad.....
The events this guy refers to pulled in Billions of ISK (I believe the Morbor Scam was 15 Billion) and I doubt that someone like this guy with his obvious lack of both imagination and communication skills has access to that sort of wealth.
I suspect that this is more likely a 'look at me' post, where he has a quiet chortle to himself seeing people get annoyed.
I won't be holding my breath waiting to read news of the biggest corp theft in Eve History. 
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Sundri Elaption
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Posted - 2004.04.08 10:11:00 -
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It is scamming but i dunno what 2 think of this, either u let it take place in your game or u don't there is not a word like nah it is on a 2 big of a scale that we have 2 grabb in. So far i know CCP once sad that they will act if scammiing takes place in a Large Corporation because of the amount of players that will surver under it. But as they say it it stays a feature in the game.
To be honest i really want 2 know what CCP policy will be because @ the mom it remains a feature of the game 2 scam ppl and be a ore thief.
And it is said that u only can relay on your own in this game than.
I think partly what CCP wanted was mega corporations but in a way this isn't really possible if a major player scams a corporation like that u hit a lot of member in a corp like that. Als the best scam in the game but what u get is that the CEO holds on 2 all the very vauble stuff and all have 2 relay a lot on there CEO that way.
I can find a couple of ways 2 scam ppl out of there isk, but it hasn't much use, because personally i would be only reuin my own gaming expirience i get out of the game of the ppl i would be scamming otherwise.
If u think u are doing yourself a good fun gaming expirience with scamming those ppl out there isk or stealing it from them fine but do think of what are doing 2 do those who u scam. Dunno i think u have in RL are two faced if u like doing stuff like this in a game like EVE it hard 2 justify or un justify what should and shouldn't be allowed in a game.
Personal, i find it crappy that it is a game feature because i certainly not started playing eve for this that ppl are able 2 pull this kind of stuff in EVE.
And i do care about pvp, but not about scamming and ore thief. Yes i do care about others defenitly.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.04.08 10:47:00 -
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Defenition of a loser in rl, trying ot egt some "cool" attention in an imaginary world.
Ur not pirating, what your doing shows no character or class.
Get a life.
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MoLeH
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Posted - 2004.04.08 11:11:00 -
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GJ, if you succeed after mounths of preperation youve become very wealthy and youve probably become one fo teh richest individuels in eve, and ccp cant do anything to him for corp theft, and all that lawyer S*!t wont get anywhere cos according to ccp corp theft is a perfectly fine career in eve and something that happens ingame wont get anywere out of game so plz leave the guy allone hes decided his route and hes takeing it if he gets you GJ to him.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.04.08 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 08/04/2004 11:29:52
Interesting thread.. My guess is this is all a lie. After all if he pretends to be HG, then he's already lying about one thing, unless of course HG is a lot lot lot lot sneakier and stupider than I've always thought he is. He would literally be screwiing himself by doing this. And 2 accounts simply isn't his style nor is ruining entire corporations in such a cheesy manner as just taking their stuff.. Also HG has probably read the EULA and thus would not need to ask if using his CEO's account would be illegal.
I do believe him when he says he was in beta tho, after all plenty of people were, and not many of them remember HG well enough to put in hints from his stories..
Perhaps he's in EC or OC ? Those corps are from beta and know HG from experience.. As do many other corporations, could also be Oberon or Xanadu ?
Or as I suspect he's simply lying to see what kind of response he gets.
Robeyone; ? WTF you going on about ? Sueing someone for corp theft through legitimate allowed ingame means ? Are you stoned ? I mean sure you can sue him if he uses account information from his CEO, but for just doing it the same way most other corp thieves do ? You're really really reminding me of Ragnar and TTi's idiocy from back in beta right now. Get a grip.
This could be Outkast, somewhat strange scammer, yet pretty good at what he did despite not knowing how to spell.. He always did like bragging before he finished jobs..
I think corp theft should not be a bannable offense, I do think they shouldn't get off scot free from ingame reprisals however. CCP needs to fix yet another part of the game.. Before 2005 preferably. But do please fix sec rating first..
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2004.04.08 11:31:00 -
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I don't think it's HG.... The chars i know he uses aren't in the big corps.
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Ustav Muldaik
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Posted - 2004.04.08 13:26:00 -
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If corp theft is to remain in the game how about allowing corporations to insure items like BPs? Remember in a real corp if you had a very valuable asset it would be insured.
Just a thought.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.08 13:36:00 -
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Chances are he's an attention-seeking gimp who hasn't really anything to reveal but his own stupidity.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.04.08 13:49:00 -
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To be honest I suspect that Captain Massacre will shortly be posting "ha ha you all fell for it aren't I so very clever to wind everyone up" while achieving precisely nothing.
But on the corp theft issue: yes it sucks and it sucks that corp CEOs, directors and security officers can't really do much about it.
Personally I think that these corp ranks should be able to see alts and secondary accounts of the people in their corp.
The point of this being is that I don't mind being corp-thefted by an actual full-time infiltrator that sneaks into the confidences and plays the role of traitor and thieve full time so much as I would the being ripped off by a half-assed alt-using numpty.
Of course there are ways to avoid this ... and getting to know everyone in your corp and watching carefully for signs of inactivity and dual personalities are neccessary evils.
But I can't help but feel alts make it too easy. Too painless and too unpunishable for the thieves.
If massacre does rip off some corp this weekend then I think they have an actual right to know who his "main" and alternative accounts are so they can bring vengeance and just punishment.
Alt's suck. By and large I think they are the worst thing in eve.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.04.08 14:17:00 -
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Mascara, End Yourself.
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.04.08 14:51:00 -
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Please unplug your keyboard.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.04.08 15:16:00 -
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Please unplug your keyboard.
You forgot set two:
..and then use the cord to hang yourself.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.04.08 15:59:00 -
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Just to clarify my position - I am not Captain Massacre; though I'm not sure whether to be annoyed or flattered that he is attempting to imitate me.
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1337 spyer
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Posted - 2004.04.08 16:01:00 -
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He must have inflitrated CONCORD and is going to steal all there uber battleship bp's.
or mabey he is just a stupid alt.
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EvePlayer 1523
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Posted - 2004.04.08 16:46:00 -
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12.9 How does CCP deal with scammers?
One method that we have found quite effective in the handling of repeat offender scammers is to reimburse their victims from their own ill-gotten gains, particularly when a cheat was used to dupe their prey. Other options include the suspension or permanent banning of his account.
People say corp/item theft is legal, however this isn't the case.. being a corp thief and scammer myself the only things that count are:
1) How many people petition you.
2) How much you actually steal.
3) Does one of your victims have a GM alt (I'm not joking, either.)
Just like you won't even get a GM warning if you podkill someone in 1.0 space, but if you do it "Zombie style" say goodbye to your account.Excesses are bad.
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MoLeH
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Posted - 2004.04.08 16:56:00 -
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particularly when a cheat was used to dupe their prey.
just wondering if you read that bit, i think youll find they mean that they will reimburse if an exploit was used to steal corp assets liek teh old use a corp BP in a factory and then eject it into your own hanger. simply takeing stuff from corp hangers or corp wallet is nothing more than usual practice.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.08 17:16:00 -
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i don't understand how this guy's gonna start any new corps at all...? His first 100 applicants will be alt thieves.... even if he goes fascist, gives no access to anything, and does everything himself, 100 ****ed off "corp members" being able to pinpoint your position secretly to your enemies at all times isn't something to look forward to 
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Captain Canuck
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Posted - 2004.04.08 17:33:00 -
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erm, i doubt he will start another corp. What i do envision him doing is selling all of it on ebay. He is retired after all. With isk on ebay selling for what....100-200 usd/100m isk - if he pulled off a 15-30 billion heist from two corps (between isk, bp's, ships and such) erm.... 30 billion isk selling at 200usd per 100m = 60,000usd?.......
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Arkaine
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Posted - 2004.04.08 20:43:00 -
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Please unplug your keyboard.
You forgot set two:
..and then use the cord to hang yourself.
I prefer this method:
1. Unplug computer from wall.
2. Insert keys into now empty socket.
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Kindathey
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Posted - 2004.04.08 20:43:00 -
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erm, i doubt he will start another corp. What i do envision him doing is selling all of it on ebay. He is retired after all. With isk on ebay selling for what....100-200 usd/100m isk - if he pulled off a 15-30 billion heist from two corps (between isk, bp's, ships and such) erm.... 30 billion isk selling at 200usd per 100m = 60,000usd?.......
I should point out to you that this is highly illegal, by both national laws, and most importantly is prohibited by the EULA.
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B. Selling Items and Objects
You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Account Transfer as described above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions (such as ebay), newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.
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Soren
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Posted - 2004.04.08 20:58:00 -
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Can't wait to see how this turns out, do you quick will you? 
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Captain Canuck
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Posted - 2004.04.08 21:42:00 -
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Illegal, yes.....but...if you're about to rip off two major corporations, and know full well that you're not going to be very welcome in Eve anymore, and obviously have that level of apathy towards other players (and everything, in general) would you really care?
I don't think that morals is a word in this guys vocabulary. Anyway, what would you do with that level of wealth within eve?
Watch ebay for a pile of listings if it happens.
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Merc4
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Posted - 2004.04.08 22:00:00 -
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I think its a hoax.. If it isnt. Wow.. Honor to meet the most wanted man...
It will be fun hunting you!
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2004.04.08 22:16:00 -
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Miso, Sassinak, Jim - 
Thanks - I had to swap out keyboards at work because I sprayed mine with mountain dew!
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2004.04.09 08:00:00 -
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Mascara, End Yourself.
Bah.. in 3 words you've nicked my Mascara joke and nicked Skillz's lame punchline 
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.04.09 09:27:00 -
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My opinion on this is that corp theft is very legitimate so long as the character that does the theft is a main. For example if Jade or Havocide or any other character that plays a lot did the theft, then its fine, corps can seek retribution.
The problem however lies with the game mechanics where you rip off a corp, transfer it to your main and delete your alt. Eve supports the perfect crime, which is probably just going to make tons of players quit, where as it shoudl unite the eve community against the theif. (well maybe not the entire community.)
We had this happen to KIA way back and many players almost quit over it. It wasn't a trust issue with us, someone hacked an account and were subsequently banned for it.
Eves mechanics for "trust" just fail 100%, the ability to make alts, or use 2nd accounts just adds to the problem. But removing alts won't solve it as players can always pay for a second account.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.04.09 09:29:00 -
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To be honest I suspect that Captain Massacre will shortly be posting "ha ha you all fell for it aren't I so very clever to wind everyone up" while achieving precisely nothing.
Thats what I was thinking as well. In fact he may already have posted it, cause I havn't read most of the replys in this thread :P
Still think its lame though, and risks spoiling the game for a number of players. EVE really needs an improvement if they want to support this style of gameplay. Been able to track all your stolen items and demand them back from whoever has them would be one way. But then you'd also need to be able to trace all isk made from the items that may transfer around in order to find the culprits true identity, which I doubt will ever happen.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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