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Rastigan Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.06 02:21:00 - [31] What ****es me off is this Amarr buff is going to help Minmatar the most.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.06 02:35:00 - [32] Originally by: Rastigan What **es me off is this Amarr buff is going to help Minmatar the most. Uh? Minmatar have the highest EM resists on armor = Amarr boost. Sure, my shields still have awesome EM resists ------------ Originally by:** CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
0raven0 Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.06 02:37:00 - [33] Originally by: Rastigan What **es me off is this Amarr buff is going to help Minmatar the most. The darn slaves Guess I can finally use Radio crystals again instead of just microwave when I am not use scorch :D ------ Quote:** tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.03.06 03:12:00 - [34] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Rastigan What ****es me off is this Amarr buff is going to help Minmatar the most. Uh? Minmatar have the highest EM resists on armor = Amarr boost. Sure, my shields still have awesome EM resists What kind of damage types do minmatar do usually? I'll give you a hint. It's something to do with the recent amarr buff. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Ho HsienKo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2008.03.06 03:44:00 - [35] To the OP... read what you quote pls. enjoy this "Nerf" freepatch IE; There is, as always, some nerfage involved... and also, as always, this patch is free.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.06 03:45:00 - [36] Originally by: Frug Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Rastigan What **es me off is this Amarr buff is going to help Minmatar the most. Uh? Minmatar have the highest EM resists on armor = Amarr boost. Sure, my shields still have awesome EM resists What kind of damage types do minmatar do usually? I'll give you a hint. It's something to do with the recent amarr buff. Shush... I don't know what my autocannons shoot, they just make cool noises I got owned. ------------ Originally by:** CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.06 04:08:00 - [37] Originally by: CCP Chronotis Any balancing change is both a boost and a nerf. It is just a matter of how the change affects you which determines what you call it. Hopefully there are enough of you here who try to understand the reasoning and big picture behind each change even if it affects you personally negatively. its a buff to my amarr ships therefore its an overall buff
Caligulus Legion of Lost Souls	Posted - 2008.03.06 06:34:00 - [38] Originally by: CCP Chronotis Any balancing change is both a boost and a nerf. It is just a matter of how the change affects you which determines what you call it. Hopefully there are enough of you here who try to understand the reasoning and big picture behind each change even if it affects you personally negatively. LoL Chronotis takes a defensive stance and kindly tells those of us who think this patch is being brought to us by mediocre development, to shove it up our bums. I think CCP needs a balancing change to their staffing starting with you. Hopefully you'll understand the big picture though... Now flaming and mud slinging aside. This patch is mediocre at best. Eventually we'll get over this and adapt but there were other options and i'm a fan of developers that follow the "keep it simple stupid" approach. Otherwise you might wind up with another "boot.ini" fiasco. Not your best effort devs. Ballsy, but most definitely not your best work. Personally, I think you should spend more time quashing bugs. ------------------------------------------------- ** You're out of your mind! ** Well that's between me and my mind.
Sylper Illysten	Posted - 2008.03.06 06:39:00 - [39] Edited by: Sylper Illysten on 06/03/2008 06:41:12 A nerf by any other name would stink as much? (Appologies to Shakespeare.)
Nasta443	Posted - 2008.03.06 09:09:00 - [40] Originally by: Rastigan What **es me off is this Amarr buff is going to help Minmatar the most. You are so wrong your noobiness is showing like a neon sign on top of a cheap motel. And all the ***s are jumping and pointing to it.
Rastigan Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.06 11:52:00 - [41] Originally by: Nasta443 Originally by: Rastigan What **es me off is this Amarr buff is going to help Minmatar the most. You are so wrong your noobiness is showing like a neon sign on top of a cheap motel. And all the *s are jumping and pointing to it. What damage type does a Minmatar SB do ? EMP ammo does mainly EM and Explosive damage.. Which resists are being lowered ? All Projectile T2 ammo, Fusion, Carbonized Lead all does atleast 50% or more explosive damage, now unless every ship fought doesnt have shields, lowering explosive resists seems like a Minmatar buff to me. Oh, and bring on the ***s!
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.06 13:51:00 - [42] Originally by: Rastigan What damage type does a Minmatar SB do ? Whichever type you load into the launchers? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Ancy Denaries Caldari Under Heavy Fire	Posted - 2008.03.06 14:24:00 - [43] God you people whine. Grow a set and grow up already? Originally by: "Cris Dono" That ofc isn't the best thing when a punisher obviously fitted with an Acme Infini-cap-o-matic is still dishing out hurt like there was no tomorrow :(
Sha4d13	Posted - 2008.03.06 14:40:00 - [44] Grow a "set"? Im happy with a pair tbh- but if sets are now the in thing, I'd better get to work on it.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2008.03.06 14:43:00 - [45] Originally by: Missy X Quote: Any balancing change is both a boost and a nerf. It is just a matter of how the change affects you which determines what you call it. Hopefully there are enough of you here who try to understand the reasoning and big picture behind each change even if it affects you personally negatively. Dev speaks the truth. It's literally impossible to adjust play balance without both nerfing something and boosting something. People who whine about "omg they're nerfing x" need to just grow up and deal with it. Play balancing is essential in an MMORPG and you should be grateful and thankful for the constant care and attention that Devs give to stuff like this. If you don't like nerfs then best to give up EVE and play a game that isn't updated with new patches frequently. Maybe play the first Doom, I've heard a rumour that id software have stopped patching it recently. Yes it is, just give the ships you need to boost their bonuses and don't touch defenses.. If you want to boost the raptor, don't eat it's powergrid, add to it.. and so on.. makes sense?
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.06 14:45:00 - [46] CCP shouldn't have claimed this patch to be "nerf free". Making such a claim only brings out more negativity in the public. When people look at the patch changes and look at the "nerf free" claim it brings a feeling of betrayal, distrust, dissappointment. The players are already hurt, why hurt them more by saying such things? Seriously, CCP image would have been better off if they didn't make any claims about the patch, asides from "it's good balancing." And as far as balancing goes, I have already writen logical analysis of the 10% resistence nerfing in Game Dev forum. It shows that there is no sound logical connection, in terms of game balance, between armor EM resistence and shield explosive resistence. The "good" of this balance change is questionable at best. You'd want to do everything to avoid brining attention to this patch, just keep quiet and make it as painless as possible. Logical reason is not on CCP's side here. I'm sorry
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2008.03.06 14:50:00 - [47] Originally by: Last Wolf Edited by: Last Wolf on 06/03/2008 01:28:04 Edited by: Last Wolf on 06/03/2008 01:25:13 Originally by: DrAtomic Originally by: CCP Chronotis Any balancing change is both a boost and a nerf. It is just a matter of how the change affects you which determines what you call it. Hopefully there are enough of you here who try to understand the reasoning and big picture behind each change even if it affects you personally negatively. How can something that nerfs all ships accross the board and therefor undoes the hps boost and therefor hits ships that didnt get hps love harder be considered a boost in any sense. It's the biggest nerf to hit the game since well ever. It isnt tought out either. It makes OMNI tanks the only viable resist tank. It never took NPCing into account (which will hurt lowskilled players most but also has great effect on the possibility to run high end plexes). It doesnt effect everybody equally (hits gallente most, then amarr, then caladari and then minimatar). The reasoning behind the change can be achieved in other ways (through giving love) then by what is done (assuming the reasoning is correct). But most importantly it doesn't achieve what it is intended to achieve without lots of unwanted side effects, it rips into the core of the game, the very essence of what the game is build on, what the modules are designed around, how ships are desigend, how racial balance is designed, goes against the philosophy of making fights last longer, etc. No matter the amount of boosts; Trinity 1.1 is the biggest nerf patch ever, due to this and only this change on itself. Testing proofs it, yet CCP has made their mind up and refuses to refute the proofs laid upon them. It's about ego, ego of the guy or team that came up with this idea. Ego and designers is something that has proven to be a disaster historicly. When everybody drinks alcohol and alcohol is proven to be an drug, then alcohol is still a drug even if you lower the alcohol percentage in all beers by 10%. TBH I see this mostly as a buff, 'speacally for minmatar. <3 EMP ammo. Also, In my opinion, the stacking nerf to damage mods was the biggest nerf ever. That or Kessies/caracals not being able to fit cruise/torps any more :P Also, minmatar take the most damage from this change, going from 70% - >60% resists hurts a lot more than 60% --> 50%. Last point, Is there anyone who DOESN'T OMNI tank in PvP anyways? Seriously, Show me the guy who only fits kin/therm hardeners because he plans on only fighting gallente ships for the day. This helps solve the stupidly high EM resist on OMNI armor tanks, if no one fit 2-3xEANM + DC there wouldn't be much need for this change in the first place. Last wolf, can you explain how does 70-->60 hurt more than 60-->50? in my mind it's just the other way around as you now have to actually pay special attention to your expl on shields, 60 on armor in EM is still much better than 50% on expl on shields. Also where you have passive EANMIIs on armor to make up for your 60% no in EM you do not have that with shields, i.e. you need to fit a slot just for expl if you decide to tank it, which you now should, or ofc go active tank and use inv IIs.. which still eats cap and goes off if nossed..
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.03.06 14:51:00 - [48] There is no such thing as an EvE patch with no nerfs. There is no spoon, and the cake is a lie. ------------------------------------------------ Movie: + Trillion ISK damage to Care Bear community
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.06 14:52:00 - [49] I'd just like to point out that the 11th was my predicted patch date. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.06 15:26:00 - [50] Originally by: Rastigan Originally by: Nasta443 Originally by: Rastigan What **es me off is this Amarr buff is going to help Minmatar the most. You are so wrong your noobiness is showing like a neon sign on top of a cheap motel. And all the ***s are jumping and pointing to it. What damage type does a Minmatar SB do ? EMP ammo does mainly EM and Explosive damage.. Which resists are being lowered ? All Projectile T2 ammo, Fusion, Carbonized Lead all does atleast 50% or more explosive damage, now unless every ship fought doesnt have shields, lowering explosive resists seems like a Minmatar buff to me. If this is a minmatar buff, it's an small one. Explosive is their primary damage type and considering how rare shield tanking is in PvP, I don't think this will affect them much. In addition, lowering base EM resistances affects them the most since the primary resistance boost on their T2 ships is EM. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79
Matrixcvd Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.06 15:54:00 - [51] Originally by: CCP Chronotis Any balancing change is both a boost and a nerf. It is just a matter of how the change affects you which determines what you call it. Hopefully there are enough of you here who try to understand the reasoning and big picture behind each change even if it affects you personally negatively. The big picture? How about this for the big picture Fix the netcode, change mechanics to prevent node death and negative gameplay experiences when people blob, fix dock range, get ready for another 20k trial accounts and all their obnoxious BS when steam kicks in full throttle. Fix your automated responses for ship losses even when your companie's equipment fails. Quit wasting your time over 10% of this and 4% of that especially when you boosted HP like a year ago is ridiculous. Quit with the glorious turret effects that are going to be so uber and shiney, which will only get turned off. None of these changes matter when you get 100 people together and the grid becomes more like an amoeba, i would start with making it better for everyone. All you people out there that think these issues don't pertain to you are kidding yourselfs. Jita wasn't always like it is, keep adding more people, keep fattening the bottom line and it will bust like a balloon at some point.
Roy Boaz	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:14:00 - [52] @ Black scorpio Going from 70% to 60% means you receive 10/30 more dmg =33% From 60% to 50% means you receive only 10/40 more dmg = 25% As Einstein stated it, it's relative...
Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:25:00 - [53] Works for me. That's 14 seconds I don't need to waste waiting for the nano fleet to blow up my abaddon. The quicker I can get back to base, the quicker I can get back to the game.
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:26:00 - [54] what about NPC rats? will they get reduced EM/explosive armor too? i can see how this would help balance PvP, but for PvE it looks like a pure tanking nerf... (not like explosive resist matters much for most Caldari missions... but still ) ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:29:00 - [55] Originally by: Ephemeron CCP shouldn't have claimed this patch to be "nerf free". Making such a claim only brings out more negativity in the public. When people look at the patch changes and look at the "nerf free" claim it brings a feeling of betrayal, distrust, dissappointment. The players are already hurt, why hurt them more by saying such things? Seriously, CCP image would have been better off if they didn't make any claims about the patch, asides from "it's good balancing." Couldn't have said it better myself. I kinda feel the same way I did when the "Bandwidth = everyone gets extra drones in addition to what they can fly, including gunships of all sorts, but we're balancing the Myrmi, yay happy" devblog mysteriously vanished to be replaced by the "Bandwidth is merely a nerftool, suck it down, oh and here have some craptastic meta-level drones" paragraph in another. Every nerf is a boost, so I guess someone somewhere is having a joygasm. As long as it pads the wallet in the end, it's all good ;) ---- WTB Armor Nerf Hardener II, 10^100 isk OBO
Turin Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.06 17:25:00 - [56] Edited by: Turin on 06/03/2008 17:28:32 Originally by: CCP Chronotis Any balancing change is both a boost and a nerf. It is just a matter of how the change affects you which determines what you call it. Hopefully there are enough of you here who try to understand the reasoning and big picture behind each change even if it affects you personally negatively. Your obviously delusional. anything that has negative impacts is a nerf. It may be a balancing nerf, but it is STILL a nerf. No one likes to be nerfed. so anyone this impacts in a negative fashion ISNT going to be much in the way of understanding. Sorry. I personally could give a crap, but I just wanted to point out your flawed thinking. Oh, and do date. I do not think there has ever been a EVE patch without some kind of nerf. Ever. _________________________________
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.06 17:36:00 - [57] Originally by: Turin Edited by: Turin on 06/03/2008 17:28:32 Originally by: CCP Chronotis Any balancing change is both a boost and a nerf. It is just a matter of how the change affects you which determines what you call it. Hopefully there are enough of you here who try to understand the reasoning and big picture behind each change even if it affects you personally negatively. Your obviously delusional. anything that has negative impacts is a nerf. It may be a balancing nerf, but it is STILL a nerf. No one likes to be nerfed. so anyone this impacts in a negative fashion ISNT going to be much in the way of understanding. Sorry. I personally could give a crap, but I just wanted to point out your flawed thinking. Honestly, anyone who is more concerned about their personal gain or loss than the overall health of the game is probably better off elsewhere. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79
Grimwalius d'Antan Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.06 18:01:00 - [58] I didn't know the Eve playerbase consisted largely of expert game designers and studio managers. _______ Griefing is to ruin a friendly game, which Eve is not.
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.03.06 18:08:00 - [59] Originally by: Turin Edited by: Turin on 06/03/2008 17:28:32 Originally by: CCP Chronotis Any balancing change is both a boost and a nerf. It is just a matter of how the change affects you which determines what you call it. Hopefully there are enough of you here who try to understand the reasoning and big picture behind each change even if it affects you personally negatively. Your obviously delusional. anything that has negative impacts is a nerf. It may be a balancing nerf, but it is STILL a nerf. No one likes to be nerfed. so anyone this impacts in a negative fashion ISNT going to be much in the way of understanding. Sorry. I personally could give a crap, but I just wanted to point out your flawed thinking. Oh, and do date. I do not think there has ever been a EVE patch without some kind of nerf. Ever. I'm willing to bed half the people wining about this wouldn't even have noticed if they made the change without telling anyone. Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
Turin Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.06 18:09:00 - [60] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Turin Edited by: Turin on 06/03/2008 17:28:32 Originally by: CCP Chronotis Any balancing change is both a boost and a nerf. It is just a matter of how the change affects you which determines what you call it. Hopefully there are enough of you here who try to understand the reasoning and big picture behind each change even if it affects you personally negatively. Your obviously delusional. anything that has negative impacts is a nerf. It may be a balancing nerf, but it is STILL a nerf. No one likes to be nerfed. so anyone this impacts in a negative fashion ISNT going to be much in the way of understanding. Sorry. I personally could give a crap, but I just wanted to point out your flawed thinking. Honestly, anyone who is more concerned about their personal gain or loss than the overall health of the game is probably better off elsewhere. So you play this game for other peoples entertainment and joy? You like being nerfed when its for the betterment of the game? "Whee! Im soooo glad I am not as powerfull as I was before! Hooray!" Give me a break. No one likes being nerfed. What you see good for the game is always subjective to a point of view. What you might think is good for the game, might not be what I think is good for the game. And of course, IMO, Im always right. _________________________________

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