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aditaa Minmatar Flying Under the Influence Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.03.05 20:45:00 - [1] I currently have around 14 billion ISK. I was just wondering, is it still worth it to own a T2 BPO? I mean with invention and all I realize that prices have plummeted but regardless can you still make a enough to make it worth paying billions for a T2 BPO?
Saint Lazarus DROW Org Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.03.05 20:49:00 - [2] Edited by: Saint Lazarus on 05/03/2008 20:52:23 Short answer is no, I've seen plenty of numbers that prove it takes litrally years to make back the cost of most t2 BPO's. I'd link you but tbh im too lazy :P check the market discussion part of the forums, or check EvE Search But of course it all depends on how much you pay and what BPO it is, would have to run the numbers yourself if you had a specfic BPO in mind. Please resize signature to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.05 20:49:00 - [3] Well, BPOs are a more stable source of income than invention since there's no chance involved and it's a slightly simpler process to produce from them. However, I imagine any T2 BPO with a decent profit margin will cost a lot, possibly more than 14 billion. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79
Mighty Dread Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.05 20:50:00 - [4] Hate to troll but...14 BILLION isk? Mon, you just won at EVE. Why would you need to invest? What can't you afford?
Thenoran Caldari The People's Liberation Army	Posted - 2008.03.05 20:56:00 - [5] Originally by: Mighty Dread Hate to troll but...14 BILLION isk? Mon, you just won at EVE. Why would you need to invest? What can't you afford? The Universe and everthing ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Alz Shado Ever Flow	Posted - 2008.03.05 20:58:00 - [6] Save up a few more bil, and you can have your very own Mothership ------------------- "Kill a man one is a murderer; kill a million, a conqueror; kill them all, a God." -- Jean Rostand
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.03.05 20:59:00 - [7] Edited by: Gamer4liff on 05/03/2008 21:01:04 I have 4 Damnation, Bustard, heat dissipation amplifier 2, kernite crystal 2. I'm not going to sell them, because I just like building with them really, keeps me busy and makes me feel like a part of the economy at large. Not to mention having the isk from all that would take pretty much all challenge out of the game. I only have 3 bn though right now =,(. EDIT: and contrary to popular belief, not all prices have fallen, bustard and damnation prices are still great, though with build costs ever increasing thanks to the T2 component crunch (thanks ccp), the profit on them is ever so slowly drying up.
Atreus Danerun Amarr Caldari Bank	Posted - 2008.03.05 21:10:00 - [8] To be completely honest with you, and not to sound facetious, 14 Billion ISK means absolutely nothing at this stage in EVE's T2-Industrial-Complex. You will not be able to purchase any "easy-street" T2 BPOs for that ISK, and the ones you can afford will not allow you the significant and worry free income they used to have. At this stage in the game anyone looking to buy a really good T2 BPO should have no less than 40 Billion ISK+ to spend on the BPO, with additional 10 Billion+ liquid to put it into immediate production, and support yourself while things begin to swing. I am referring to ship BPOs, so we clear. So we are talking 50 Billion ISK Liquid and ready to roll. Not allot of people will be willing to shall out that much. Personally I own a few T2 BPOs, and I am placing one of my former jewels into hibernation - my Eos BPO. Since the nerf and with the current price of advanced materials it has become more work than its worth for me to produce them. Where I used to make about 8 Billion ISK/year from it, now it barely makes 2, not worth my time. I will wait for the possible re-evaluation of Eos or change in the market trends to produce it again. I wish you the best of luck though. T2 SALES & SERVICE
Mademoiselle Arya	Posted - 2008.03.05 21:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Mighty Dread Hate to troll but...14 BILLION isk? Mon, you just won at EVE. Why would you need to invest? What can't you afford? 14 billion is pretty weak by today's standards. But, to answer the OP, you might be interested in T2 BPOs for the following reasons: - to increase the amount of passive income you have available - to diversify your investments - to supply your corp/alliance with cheap T2 modules in bulk But, in general, T2 BPOs aren't "cost-effective" in terms of the capital they tie up. If you have time, you can easily find activities which yield higher return on investment than most T2 BPOs. And as they tie up lots of ISK, you might also lose (or gain) lots should patch change the module you happen to have the BPO for.
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.03.05 21:27:00 - [10] Edited by: Gamer4liff on 05/03/2008 21:27:38 Originally by: Atreus Danerun T Personally I own a few T2 BPOs, and I am placing one of my former jewels into hibernation - my Eos BPO. Since the nerf and with the current price of advanced materials it has become more work than its worth for me to produce them. Where I used to make about 8 Billion ISK/year from it, now it barely makes 2, not worth my time. I will wait for the possible re-evaluation of Eos or change in the market trends to produce it again. Daaamn you wern't kidding, checking the prices Eos are selling for less than damnations even. My condolences =(
Atreus Danerun Amarr Caldari Bank	Posted - 2008.03.05 21:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Gamer4liff Originally by: Atreus Danerun Personally I own a few T2 BPOs, and I am placing one of my former jewels into hibernation - my Eos BPO. Since the nerf and with the current price of advanced materials it has become more work than its worth for me to produce them. Where I used to make about 8 Billion ISK/year from it, now it barely makes 2, not worth my time. I will wait for the possible re-evaluation of Eos or change in the market trends to produce it again. Daaamn you wern't kidding, checking the prices Eos are selling for less than damnations even. My condolences =( Yeop, that is a sad day indeed. But I am holding on to a small glimmer of hope that CCP will re-evaluate Eos at some point in the future. It would be stupid to sell the the BPO now, the way market is, it will not bring its true value, and it is a complete waste of effort to produce from it, I can make more ISK running L3 missions part-time than from the supposedly 30 Billion ISK BPO. Funny things CCP did..... oh well, such is life. T2 SALES & SERVICE
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.03.05 22:50:00 - [12] Considering you save the invention costs (and the additional time it takes to do invention) and your actual production costs are sharply reduced, I don't see why a tech 2 bpo (even at 14 billion) wouldn't be worth it over invention.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.05 23:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Atreus Danerun To be completely honest with you, and not to sound facetious, 14 Billion ISK means absolutely nothing at this stage in EVE's T2-Industrial-Complex. You will not be able to purchase any "easy-street" T2 BPOs for that ISK, and the ones you can afford will not allow you the significant and worry free income they used to have. At this stage in the game anyone looking to buy a really good T2 BPO should have no less than 40 Billion ISK+ to spend on the BPO, with additional 10 Billion+ liquid to put it into immediate production, and support yourself while things begin to swing. I am referring to ship BPOs, so we clear. So we are talking 50 Billion ISK Liquid and ready to roll. Not allot of people will be willing to shall out that much. Personally I own a few T2 BPOs, and I am placing one of my former jewels into hibernation - my Eos BPO. Since the nerf and with the current price of advanced materials it has become more work than its worth for me to produce them. Where I used to make about 8 Billion ISK/year from it, now it barely makes 2, not worth my time. I will wait for the possible re-evaluation of Eos or change in the market trends to produce it again. I wish you the best of luck though. Out of curiousity - I really am a bit ignorant about production and such - is it not even worth producing BPCs from it to sell on? Surely a 10-run Eos BPC from (presumably) a well-researched BPO would sell for quite a bit - more than the research costs, anyway. It's not like you'd have to spend a lot of time on it, and it's got to be better than earning nothing from it. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Scoundrelus Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.03.06 00:54:00 - [14] Edited by: Scoundrelus on 06/03/2008 00:54:11
aditaa Minmatar Flying Under the Influence Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.03.06 00:58:00 - [15] Maybe I should just go buy a CNR and go ratting then. -_- Oh and I'm watching you Vasili VonHolst and Lofty.
Economizer	Posted - 2008.03.06 01:20:00 - [16] I own about 4 module/weapon t2 BPO's at this time, and considering the prices paid were between 11-15b for each one its hard to make that isk back with invention constantly bringing prices down,the key to finding a good t2 bpo is high volume of the module/weapon and build time. High volume insures that the price wont hit the floor and stay there, and if you can find one of those awesome weapon/mod bpo's that can build 1 unit in a pos in about 45mins like a 220mm vulcan autocannon II or damage control II you can really bring in the isk. If you want to buy a t2 bpo at this point in time it shouldn't be with the intention to actually make your isk back within 1 or 1.5years.
Atreus Danerun Amarr Caldari Bank	Posted - 2008.03.06 02:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Malcanis Out of curiousity - I really am a bit ignorant about production and such - is it not even worth producing BPCs from it to sell on? Surely a 10-run Eos BPC from (presumably) a well-researched BPO would sell for quite a bit - more than the research costs, anyway. It's not like you'd have to spend a lot of time on it, and it's got to be better than earning nothing from it. Oh, indeed, it is going into a copy slot. It is an ME 15/PE5 BPO, way better than anything out there. And yea, imagine that an ME15 T2 Ship BPO, . But, I am not going to sell copies, I am going to hoard them till the time comes to put it back into production. This way I expect to have a few dozen runs that can be incorporated to produce a huge volume of ships and capitalize on the need, should it occur. T2 SALES & SERVICE

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